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		<title>By: Lucas</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/01/29/strut-shamer/comment-page-1/#comment-496</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 08:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amanda&#039;s right, but I disagree on a couple points.  First, before the Enlightenment, a woman reaching menopause was extremely rare.  From a standpoint of evolutionary behavior, I doubt this was the cause of the youthful standard of beauty.  More likely, male competition to &quot;acquire&quot; females resulted in mating closer to puberty.

Second, &quot;invests more heavily in reproduction&quot; does indeed refer to rearing the offspring in addition to the gamete costs.  Species in which the male is more involved in rearing the young generally see less differences between the sexes.  In the rare species in which the male raises the young, the female is sometimes the member who does the mating dances and such.

In terms of modern society, I would argue that the norm has come from the patriarchal society of Europe in which wealth is passed down to the sons, while it is up to the daughters to become appealing to a desireable male.  In this case, it is the male who expends resources to raise the offspring, not the female.

Through this framework, I would argue that progress has been made, largely through the efforts of the feminist movement.  That women are able to summon resources similar (if not always equal) to men allows a more even ground on who is responsible for wooing the other, and while perhaps the preening is not equal, in our society, it is the norm that each member of a coupling has chosen the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amanda&#8217;s right, but I disagree on a couple points.  First, before the Enlightenment, a woman reaching menopause was extremely rare.  From a standpoint of evolutionary behavior, I doubt this was the cause of the youthful standard of beauty.  More likely, male competition to &#8220;acquire&#8221; females resulted in mating closer to puberty.</p>
<p>Second, &#8220;invests more heavily in reproduction&#8221; does indeed refer to rearing the offspring in addition to the gamete costs.  Species in which the male is more involved in rearing the young generally see less differences between the sexes.  In the rare species in which the male raises the young, the female is sometimes the member who does the mating dances and such.</p>
<p>In terms of modern society, I would argue that the norm has come from the patriarchal society of Europe in which wealth is passed down to the sons, while it is up to the daughters to become appealing to a desireable male.  In this case, it is the male who expends resources to raise the offspring, not the female.</p>
<p>Through this framework, I would argue that progress has been made, largely through the efforts of the feminist movement.  That women are able to summon resources similar (if not always equal) to men allows a more even ground on who is responsible for wooing the other, and while perhaps the preening is not equal, in our society, it is the norm that each member of a coupling has chosen the other.</p>
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		<title>By: SarahMC</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/01/29/strut-shamer/comment-page-1/#comment-432</link>
		<dc:creator>SarahMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 23:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amanda, that&#039;s very interesting.  I appreciate all the input.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amanda, that&#8217;s very interesting.  I appreciate all the input.</p>
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		<title>By: robot ninja spy</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/01/29/strut-shamer/comment-page-1/#comment-425</link>
		<dc:creator>robot ninja spy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ariel: Damn right it&#039;s them. I&#039;ve been on both sides of it. I&#039;ve been informed that I&#039;m not feminine enough and that I&#039;m too forward, but I&#039;ve also met guys who appreciated my being direct because they have difficulty living up to their own assigned gender roles and being the initiator all of the time. I&#039;ve even been told by some guys to be more direct. :) So whatever you think is the reason guys don&#039;t like you, just remember it&#039;s none of those things. It&#039;s the luck of the draw and at the moment, your luck sucks. Not you. 

@Smoslyn: I don&#039;t get this from my friends (actually I had one friend say something to that effect when we were like, sophomores in college, so I like to think she&#039;s gotten over that) but I&#039;ve gotten that from older female relatives so I just quit discussing men with them altogether, even in passing, even hypothetically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ariel: Damn right it&#8217;s them. I&#8217;ve been on both sides of it. I&#8217;ve been informed that I&#8217;m not feminine enough and that I&#8217;m too forward, but I&#8217;ve also met guys who appreciated my being direct because they have difficulty living up to their own assigned gender roles and being the initiator all of the time. I&#8217;ve even been told by some guys to be more direct. <img src='http://www.harpyness.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  So whatever you think is the reason guys don&#8217;t like you, just remember it&#8217;s none of those things. It&#8217;s the luck of the draw and at the moment, your luck sucks. Not you. </p>
<p>@Smoslyn: I don&#8217;t get this from my friends (actually I had one friend say something to that effect when we were like, sophomores in college, so I like to think she&#8217;s gotten over that) but I&#8217;ve gotten that from older female relatives so I just quit discussing men with them altogether, even in passing, even hypothetically.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/01/29/strut-shamer/comment-page-1/#comment-424</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To keep with the evolutionary theory, I would suggest looking into Robert Triver&#039;s theory of relative parental investment, which in a nutshell says:

For the sex that invests most heavily in reproduction (usually female), the principle constraint on reproduction is access to resources (food, water, habitat such as nesting grounds, etc.).  For the sex that invests less heavily in reproduction (usually male), the principle constraint on reproduction is access to the sex that invests more heavily.  

[to clarify, &quot;invests more heavily in reproduction&quot; is regarding gamete production, not caring for offspring, as this was formulated to explain mate selection in animals, not just people]

This is what a lot of you have been talking about, however, it is important to note human females can only reproduce for a certain amount of time (until menopause).  Cross culturally, regardless of other socially constructed definitions of beauty a culture may have, all cultures value signs of youth, and regard them as beautiful.  This is evolutionarily advantageous. Males are attracted to  females exhibiting signs of youth because that youth signals greater fertility and longer potential for reproduction.  

This is also why it is common to see women with men much older than them, again, cross culturally.  Women do not value signs of youth as much because there is no male equivalent of menopause.   

That is already probably more than you wanted to know, but if for some reason you want more, let me know and I can probably point you to some of this original research and/or theory work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To keep with the evolutionary theory, I would suggest looking into Robert Triver&#8217;s theory of relative parental investment, which in a nutshell says:</p>
<p>For the sex that invests most heavily in reproduction (usually female), the principle constraint on reproduction is access to resources (food, water, habitat such as nesting grounds, etc.).  For the sex that invests less heavily in reproduction (usually male), the principle constraint on reproduction is access to the sex that invests more heavily.  </p>
<p>[to clarify, "invests more heavily in reproduction" is regarding gamete production, not caring for offspring, as this was formulated to explain mate selection in animals, not just people]</p>
<p>This is what a lot of you have been talking about, however, it is important to note human females can only reproduce for a certain amount of time (until menopause).  Cross culturally, regardless of other socially constructed definitions of beauty a culture may have, all cultures value signs of youth, and regard them as beautiful.  This is evolutionarily advantageous. Males are attracted to  females exhibiting signs of youth because that youth signals greater fertility and longer potential for reproduction.  </p>
<p>This is also why it is common to see women with men much older than them, again, cross culturally.  Women do not value signs of youth as much because there is no male equivalent of menopause.   </p>
<p>That is already probably more than you wanted to know, but if for some reason you want more, let me know and I can probably point you to some of this original research and/or theory work.</p>
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		<title>By: smoslyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>smoslyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll never forget one of my highschool girl friends telling me that I was too picky about guys and that I should lower my standards and this would result in getting a boyfriend.
I was taken aback for two reasons:
1) I didn&#039;t even want a boyfriend
2) Why should I have lowered my standards just so I could have the &#039;honor&#039; of being some jerkbag highschool boys girlfriend? 

Unfortunately I still get this now. People think I&#039;m ridiculous because I want all of the same things guys expect from women in a man (i.e. good looks coupled with intelligence and personality). God forbid I should want something more than to be like those hot tv housewives who settle for fat losers :\</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll never forget one of my highschool girl friends telling me that I was too picky about guys and that I should lower my standards and this would result in getting a boyfriend.<br />
I was taken aback for two reasons:<br />
1) I didn&#8217;t even want a boyfriend<br />
2) Why should I have lowered my standards just so I could have the &#8216;honor&#8217; of being some jerkbag highschool boys girlfriend? </p>
<p>Unfortunately I still get this now. People think I&#8217;m ridiculous because I want all of the same things guys expect from women in a man (i.e. good looks coupled with intelligence and personality). God forbid I should want something more than to be like those hot tv housewives who settle for fat losers :\</p>
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		<title>By: Ariel</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/01/29/strut-shamer/comment-page-1/#comment-395</link>
		<dc:creator>Ariel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally posted this on my facebook.  Thank you so much for writing this. I&#039;ve been noticing the backwards selection of sex in nature compared to humans myself.  I haven&#039;t been a committed feminist for long (a little over a year), so I still find myself falling into the patriarchal pitfalls due to being single- I&#039;m too fat, I&#039;m not pretty enough, I&#039;m not good enough for a man to choose me.  

And taking initiative has always proven fatal for me since I &quot;scare them away&quot; with being so overt. I&#039;ve actually been told that being so upfront in what I want sexually is a turn off for guys.  But it&#039;s okay for them upfront with me. *rolls eyes*

Anyway, I will forever look at this blog when I&#039;m feeling down about myself, and remind myself that it isn&#039;t me- it&#039;s patriarchy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally posted this on my facebook.  Thank you so much for writing this. I&#8217;ve been noticing the backwards selection of sex in nature compared to humans myself.  I haven&#8217;t been a committed feminist for long (a little over a year), so I still find myself falling into the patriarchal pitfalls due to being single- I&#8217;m too fat, I&#8217;m not pretty enough, I&#8217;m not good enough for a man to choose me.  </p>
<p>And taking initiative has always proven fatal for me since I &#8220;scare them away&#8221; with being so overt. I&#8217;ve actually been told that being so upfront in what I want sexually is a turn off for guys.  But it&#8217;s okay for them upfront with me. *rolls eyes*</p>
<p>Anyway, I will forever look at this blog when I&#8217;m feeling down about myself, and remind myself that it isn&#8217;t me- it&#8217;s patriarchy.</p>
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		<title>By: lisas</title>
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		<dc:creator>lisas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 19:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about this?

Sexual selection has been turned on its head because women were trying to attract the men they actually wanted, instead of the men that they were eventually sold to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about this?</p>
<p>Sexual selection has been turned on its head because women were trying to attract the men they actually wanted, instead of the men that they were eventually sold to.</p>
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		<title>By: On Evolutionary Psychology, Feminism, Patriarchy &#171; Threat Quality Press</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/01/29/strut-shamer/comment-page-1/#comment-325</link>
		<dc:creator>On Evolutionary Psychology, Feminism, Patriarchy &#171; Threat Quality Press</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] let&#8217;s talk about patriarchy.  Yesterday, a friend of mine made a post, asking why peacock behaviors differ from human behaviors:  in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] let&#8217;s talk about patriarchy.  Yesterday, a friend of mine made a post, asking why peacock behaviors differ from human behaviors:  in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SarahMC</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/01/29/strut-shamer/comment-page-1/#comment-310</link>
		<dc:creator>SarahMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 00:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, tribalism was evolutionarily advantageous (I think), so I suppose racism may have arisen from that.  Still, that doesn&#039;t mean racism as we know it today has anything to do with evolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, tribalism was evolutionarily advantageous (I think), so I suppose racism may have arisen from that.  Still, that doesn&#8217;t mean racism as we know it today has anything to do with evolution.</p>
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		<title>By: PhDork</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhDork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 00:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>braak:

2.  Only if you assume there to be a single, perfectly uniform hierarchy of class, rather than multiple, shifting and interlocking hierarchies based on different types of &quot;capital.&quot;  Which I don&#039;t.

3.  Racism as evolutionarily advantageous.  Wow, chief.  I&#039;m &lt;em&gt;pretty&lt;/em&gt; sure you don&#039;t mean it the way it reads, but still:  wow.  Quite apart from that, you&#039;re again conflating (as evo-psych proponents do) economic/social advantage with evolutionary advantage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>braak:</p>
<p>2.  Only if you assume there to be a single, perfectly uniform hierarchy of class, rather than multiple, shifting and interlocking hierarchies based on different types of &#8220;capital.&#8221;  Which I don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>3.  Racism as evolutionarily advantageous.  Wow, chief.  I&#8217;m <em>pretty</em> sure you don&#8217;t mean it the way it reads, but still:  wow.  Quite apart from that, you&#8217;re again conflating (as evo-psych proponents do) economic/social advantage with evolutionary advantage.</p>
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