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	<title>Comments on: What Do You Mean by &#8220;Necessary?&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Bekka</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/02/06/what-do-you-mean-by-necessary/comment-page-1/#comment-1077</link>
		<dc:creator>Bekka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 06:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve considered more than once just getting pregnant (because I want to have children) and running away with my best friend (who has a one-year-old daughter) and just living together and raising our children without men in our lives.

I can already see how my boyfriend and I are going to be parents, when I moved in, I inherited the responsibility of taking care of his three dogs. He plays with them, I feed, water, walk, and pick up after them. I think many men are that way with children. I might be better off without them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve considered more than once just getting pregnant (because I want to have children) and running away with my best friend (who has a one-year-old daughter) and just living together and raising our children without men in our lives.</p>
<p>I can already see how my boyfriend and I are going to be parents, when I moved in, I inherited the responsibility of taking care of his three dogs. He plays with them, I feed, water, walk, and pick up after them. I think many men are that way with children. I might be better off without them.</p>
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		<title>By: labeled says good show!</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/02/06/what-do-you-mean-by-necessary/comment-page-1/#comment-1052</link>
		<dc:creator>labeled says good show!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Even as just a nudge in the right direction, it would be lovely.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even as just a nudge in the right direction, it would be lovely.</p>
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		<title>By: JD Regent</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/02/06/what-do-you-mean-by-necessary/comment-page-1/#comment-1048</link>
		<dc:creator>JD Regent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see what you mean but I think other countries have similar programs that haven&#039;t proved impossible to administer.  I was thinking of something more than 1k.  Maybe 3 times that.  Now that is fantasyland, no???]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see what you mean but I think other countries have similar programs that haven&#8217;t proved impossible to administer.  I was thinking of something more than 1k.  Maybe 3 times that.  Now that is fantasyland, no???</p>
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		<title>By: labeled says good show!</title>
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		<dc:creator>labeled says good show!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yep - so it comes right off the top, so to speak.  $1K per child.  Or, $2.74 a day.  Not exactly princely, but appreciated, I suppose.  I think the earned income credit also plays in for families with lower incomes, but as we aren&#039;t eligible, I&#039;m not sure.

Actually, I think a flat-rate childcare grant is a lovely idea.  Ideally (because while I am a flaming liberal, I&#039;m frequently fiscally conservative) I think you&#039;d have to cap it so that you know, the Duggar&#039;s don&#039;t end up bazillionaires.   

But of course, the devil&#039;s in the details, and even here in fantasyland I&#039;ve already started courting him.  And so, it isn&#039;t something I expect we will ever see in America.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep &#8211; so it comes right off the top, so to speak.  $1K per child.  Or, $2.74 a day.  Not exactly princely, but appreciated, I suppose.  I think the earned income credit also plays in for families with lower incomes, but as we aren&#8217;t eligible, I&#8217;m not sure.</p>
<p>Actually, I think a flat-rate childcare grant is a lovely idea.  Ideally (because while I am a flaming liberal, I&#8217;m frequently fiscally conservative) I think you&#8217;d have to cap it so that you know, the Duggar&#8217;s don&#8217;t end up bazillionaires.   </p>
<p>But of course, the devil&#8217;s in the details, and even here in fantasyland I&#8217;ve already started courting him.  And so, it isn&#8217;t something I expect we will ever see in America.</p>
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		<title>By: robot ninja spy</title>
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		<dc:creator>robot ninja spy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry that was so long, you guys.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry that was so long, you guys.</p>
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		<title>By: robot ninja spy</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/02/06/what-do-you-mean-by-necessary/comment-page-1/#comment-1044</link>
		<dc:creator>robot ninja spy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Renee: &lt;i&gt;We are constantly told that children do better in a two parent household and fail to realize that the only real change is financial status. Two parents equals two incomes but not necessarily a change of circumstances for the women involved.&lt;/i&gt;

I agree and I would add to that and say that we as a society place the emphasis on the wrong thing when we talk about the importance of a two parent household. Not that I&#039;m saying that shouldn&#039;t be your ideal if that&#039;s what you want-- I know that&#039;s what I would prefer. But... okay to use personal examples, my biological mother and my closest aunt were both single mothers. They didn&#039;t have an easy time, by any stretch, but they didn&#039;t struggle as hard as a lot of other single mothers, or even their married sister-in-law, because they helped each other. It goes back to what SarahMC said in the post about how we define &quot;alone.&quot; They didn&#039;t parent alone just because their childrens&#039; dads weren&#039;t around. They teamed up together and with my grandmother to raise the children, pay for expenses, use my mother&#039;s address to get my cousins into better schools since my aunt didn&#039;t like the ones in the district they were supposed to go to, etc. 

But after my mother died, my aunt and uncle insisted on taking care of me and my sister because they thought their household was more ideal because they fit the accepted model of how a household was supposed to run, but things weren&#039;t any easier for my aunt and uncle because having a two-parent household is no good if they aren&#039;t each carrying their weight and being involved in a POSITIVE way. Like everything else in life, what matters isn&#039;t the arrangement, but the people involved in it and how committed they are to making sure everyone gets the right amount of support. 

As for this idea that raising your child without a dad in the home sends a message that men aren&#039;t important, that&#039;s a crock of shit. My aunt and my mother remained unmarried after they had all of us for their own personal reasons, but we all remain close to my mother&#039;s ex-husband although he and my mother divorced about 40 years ago. I had a model of what a good man should be like. And I have other aunts and uncles whose relationships are incredible models. Meanwhile, one of many great ironies of life is the relationship between the two people who everyone thought would provide a more stable home for me and my sister was anything but. 

The message that was sent to me was that everyone&#039;s life doesn&#039;t look the same. Our families will not all look the same. And they don&#039;t have to for them to be healthy. I learned that it doesn&#039;t matter whether the male influence or model actually lives with you, whether you were raised in a two-parent household, or whether you were raised communally. It matters that you have help from SOMEONE. It doesn&#039;t matter who. And it matters that the people involved are considerate and generous. That is all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Renee: <i>We are constantly told that children do better in a two parent household and fail to realize that the only real change is financial status. Two parents equals two incomes but not necessarily a change of circumstances for the women involved.</i></p>
<p>I agree and I would add to that and say that we as a society place the emphasis on the wrong thing when we talk about the importance of a two parent household. Not that I&#8217;m saying that shouldn&#8217;t be your ideal if that&#8217;s what you want&#8211; I know that&#8217;s what I would prefer. But&#8230; okay to use personal examples, my biological mother and my closest aunt were both single mothers. They didn&#8217;t have an easy time, by any stretch, but they didn&#8217;t struggle as hard as a lot of other single mothers, or even their married sister-in-law, because they helped each other. It goes back to what SarahMC said in the post about how we define &#8220;alone.&#8221; They didn&#8217;t parent alone just because their childrens&#8217; dads weren&#8217;t around. They teamed up together and with my grandmother to raise the children, pay for expenses, use my mother&#8217;s address to get my cousins into better schools since my aunt didn&#8217;t like the ones in the district they were supposed to go to, etc. </p>
<p>But after my mother died, my aunt and uncle insisted on taking care of me and my sister because they thought their household was more ideal because they fit the accepted model of how a household was supposed to run, but things weren&#8217;t any easier for my aunt and uncle because having a two-parent household is no good if they aren&#8217;t each carrying their weight and being involved in a POSITIVE way. Like everything else in life, what matters isn&#8217;t the arrangement, but the people involved in it and how committed they are to making sure everyone gets the right amount of support. </p>
<p>As for this idea that raising your child without a dad in the home sends a message that men aren&#8217;t important, that&#8217;s a crock of shit. My aunt and my mother remained unmarried after they had all of us for their own personal reasons, but we all remain close to my mother&#8217;s ex-husband although he and my mother divorced about 40 years ago. I had a model of what a good man should be like. And I have other aunts and uncles whose relationships are incredible models. Meanwhile, one of many great ironies of life is the relationship between the two people who everyone thought would provide a more stable home for me and my sister was anything but. </p>
<p>The message that was sent to me was that everyone&#8217;s life doesn&#8217;t look the same. Our families will not all look the same. And they don&#8217;t have to for them to be healthy. I learned that it doesn&#8217;t matter whether the male influence or model actually lives with you, whether you were raised in a two-parent household, or whether you were raised communally. It matters that you have help from SOMEONE. It doesn&#8217;t matter who. And it matters that the people involved are considerate and generous. That is all.</p>
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		<title>By: JD Regent</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/02/06/what-do-you-mean-by-necessary/comment-page-1/#comment-1043</link>
		<dc:creator>JD Regent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So the child credit is a credit whether or not you owe money?  Not a deduction?  I guess that is kind of like a childcare grant then, except I imagine it&#039;s to help cover the increased costs of a child apart from care.  What do you think would be most helpful to you from a state perspective as a mom?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the child credit is a credit whether or not you owe money?  Not a deduction?  I guess that is kind of like a childcare grant then, except I imagine it&#8217;s to help cover the increased costs of a child apart from care.  What do you think would be most helpful to you from a state perspective as a mom?</p>
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		<title>By: labeled says good show!</title>
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		<dc:creator>labeled says good show!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[*fun fact about the child credit: it ends the year your child turns 17. wth is that about?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*fun fact about the child credit: it ends the year your child turns 17. wth is that about?</p>
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		<title>By: labeled says good show!</title>
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		<dc:creator>labeled says good show!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ JD, I love that idea, even more than my tax credit &amp; deductions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ JD, I love that idea, even more than my tax credit &amp; deductions.</p>
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		<title>By: JD Regent</title>
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		<dc:creator>JD Regent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder how it would affect matters if we had a parenting grant from the government.  The grant could be used to help pay for childcare, whether that&#039;s daycare or a nanny or a parent or grandparent to be compensated.  Of course the money would help but I wonder if the tangible sign that the work of child rearing is WORTH something might help matters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how it would affect matters if we had a parenting grant from the government.  The grant could be used to help pay for childcare, whether that&#8217;s daycare or a nanny or a parent or grandparent to be compensated.  Of course the money would help but I wonder if the tangible sign that the work of child rearing is WORTH something might help matters.</p>
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