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		<title>By: robot ninja spy</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/02/12/cotton-picking-day-canceled/comment-page-1/#comment-1487</link>
		<dc:creator>robot ninja spy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 22:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;AHM, in an American classroom wouldn’t need to be the whole history of the continent. It would make a big difference to have learned about Asian American history and highlight historical activists and leaders for even one month in public school and public life.&quot;

I agree; what I meant when I referred to trying to cram all the different Asian histories together, what I meant was that, with African American history, we&#039;re just talking about one ethnic group, but with Asian Americans there are several so if you&#039;re cramming all the various Asian American migration experiences and contributions into a month, then everybody gets less than a week. It would be nice, but it would be even better if that area of study was considered American history and taught alongside all the other important things we learn.

But thanks for the point about the trivia. You&#039;re right that I probably would see it differently if there was no such thing as a black history month. I just think that, to a lot of people, the accomplishments of the black people we celebrate during black history month are great, but they see great black people as exceptions to the rule and still subscribe to stereotypes about the rest of us. Kind of like how, in the early stages of the election, there was so much &quot;My, Barack and Michelle are such together and well-spoken black people. How new!&quot; Like they&#039;re a novelty. It&#039;s like, &quot;Okay, for one month we&#039;ll concede that some of you have done something and then we&#039;ll go right back to only showing you on the TV when you something stupid. And we won&#039;t help you look for your missing kids.&quot; 

Also, re: this:
&quot;Black people and white people ask me &#039;What are you?&#039; all the time. That’s what othering means to me.&quot; 

Totally; in the schools I went through for K-12 almost all of the Asian students&#039; families were from Laos and they would get so. fucking. frustrated when people kept asking them questions about being Chinese, Japanese or Korean. People would say to them, &quot;I&#039;ve never heard of that place. You&#039;re making it up. Why are you ashamed of being Chinese?&quot; Seriously. So when I think of Asian History Month, I think of scenarios like Unpossible pointed out where the spotlight is put on a handful of Asian children, and I think of people not taking the time to tailor the lessons to the demographic of their community and a Cambodian American child having the teacher ask them whether anyone in their family was put in camps during WWII. And then them having to explain for an entire month why they aren&#039;t the same.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;AHM, in an American classroom wouldn’t need to be the whole history of the continent. It would make a big difference to have learned about Asian American history and highlight historical activists and leaders for even one month in public school and public life.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree; what I meant when I referred to trying to cram all the different Asian histories together, what I meant was that, with African American history, we&#8217;re just talking about one ethnic group, but with Asian Americans there are several so if you&#8217;re cramming all the various Asian American migration experiences and contributions into a month, then everybody gets less than a week. It would be nice, but it would be even better if that area of study was considered American history and taught alongside all the other important things we learn.</p>
<p>But thanks for the point about the trivia. You&#8217;re right that I probably would see it differently if there was no such thing as a black history month. I just think that, to a lot of people, the accomplishments of the black people we celebrate during black history month are great, but they see great black people as exceptions to the rule and still subscribe to stereotypes about the rest of us. Kind of like how, in the early stages of the election, there was so much &#8220;My, Barack and Michelle are such together and well-spoken black people. How new!&#8221; Like they&#8217;re a novelty. It&#8217;s like, &#8220;Okay, for one month we&#8217;ll concede that some of you have done something and then we&#8217;ll go right back to only showing you on the TV when you something stupid. And we won&#8217;t help you look for your missing kids.&#8221; </p>
<p>Also, re: this:<br />
&#8220;Black people and white people ask me &#8216;What are you?&#8217; all the time. That’s what othering means to me.&#8221; </p>
<p>Totally; in the schools I went through for K-12 almost all of the Asian students&#8217; families were from Laos and they would get so. fucking. frustrated when people kept asking them questions about being Chinese, Japanese or Korean. People would say to them, &#8220;I&#8217;ve never heard of that place. You&#8217;re making it up. Why are you ashamed of being Chinese?&#8221; Seriously. So when I think of Asian History Month, I think of scenarios like Unpossible pointed out where the spotlight is put on a handful of Asian children, and I think of people not taking the time to tailor the lessons to the demographic of their community and a Cambodian American child having the teacher ask them whether anyone in their family was put in camps during WWII. And then them having to explain for an entire month why they aren&#8217;t the same.</p>
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		<title>By: SarahMC</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/02/12/cotton-picking-day-canceled/comment-page-1/#comment-1479</link>
		<dc:creator>SarahMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 15:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gotcha, HanaMaru.  :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotcha, HanaMaru.  <img src='http://www.harpyness.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: HanaMaru</title>
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		<dc:creator>HanaMaru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 08:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sarah, I&#039;m sorry.  I was not clear with my meaning.  I was going on about my disagreement with Renee&#039;s ideas.  When I said &quot;more specifically...&quot;I was building on your statement.  I think we are more or less in agreement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah, I&#8217;m sorry.  I was not clear with my meaning.  I was going on about my disagreement with Renee&#8217;s ideas.  When I said &#8220;more specifically&#8230;&#8221;I was building on your statement.  I think we are more or less in agreement.</p>
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		<title>By: SarahMC</title>
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		<dc:creator>SarahMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I understand that, HanaMaru; you are still misrepresenting what I&#039;m saying.  BHM is not racist.  It exists because of racism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand that, HanaMaru; you are still misrepresenting what I&#8217;m saying.  BHM is not racist.  It exists because of racism.</p>
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		<title>By: HanaMaru</title>
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		<dc:creator>HanaMaru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@eloriane-Yeah, I did notice that all the shameful images from VH1 for White History Month were women.  I was going to say it&#039;s because Daisy of Love hasn&#039;t aired yet, but there should be enough damning footage from Tool Academy at this point.  The Soup is not always feminist-friendly.  

@rns-I agree with you that American history needs to be integrated all the time, like it was with black history where I went to public school.  I was talking about my elementary-middle school years before because I was in public school and I think that&#039;s more relevant to a national dialogue, but I went to a small charter school for H.S. where we used A People&#039;s History among other wholly inclusive texts, which is why I know how simple it could be to teach in a way that includes all Americans.  
AHM, in an American classroom wouldn&#039;t need to be the whole history of the continent.  It would make a big difference to have learned about Asian American history and highlight historical activists and leaders for even one month in public school and public life.  You said above that you don&#039;t care if white people know about black inventors and such if they don&#039;t know understand privilege.  I def. agree that most schools could do a better job of teaching about racism and privilege, but it seems like all history in public school is treated like trivia, unconnected to society today.  

It is a really big thing to see that people of your own race have accomplished things and shaped history.  If you didn&#039;t have that to look to, and if white people were ignorant of all the accomplishments, or even the existence of your race, I think you would wish you had it.  Black people and white people ask me &quot;What are you?&quot; all the time.  That&#039;s what othering means to me.  

@SarahMC-I object to what Renee said because it isn&#039;t the cause of insufficiently integrated history.  BHM exists more specifically because it was invented by a black professor as a way of correcting racism.  Saying that BHM itself is racist and that *it* makes a mockery of blackness seems as misguided to me as when the self-titled equality feminists say it marginalizes women to talk about our inequality.  

The extent to which we still need BHM is a real shame, but setting this month aside, in the meantime, has been a good thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@eloriane-Yeah, I did notice that all the shameful images from VH1 for White History Month were women.  I was going to say it&#8217;s because Daisy of Love hasn&#8217;t aired yet, but there should be enough damning footage from Tool Academy at this point.  The Soup is not always feminist-friendly.  </p>
<p>@rns-I agree with you that American history needs to be integrated all the time, like it was with black history where I went to public school.  I was talking about my elementary-middle school years before because I was in public school and I think that&#8217;s more relevant to a national dialogue, but I went to a small charter school for H.S. where we used A People&#8217;s History among other wholly inclusive texts, which is why I know how simple it could be to teach in a way that includes all Americans.<br />
AHM, in an American classroom wouldn&#8217;t need to be the whole history of the continent.  It would make a big difference to have learned about Asian American history and highlight historical activists and leaders for even one month in public school and public life.  You said above that you don&#8217;t care if white people know about black inventors and such if they don&#8217;t know understand privilege.  I def. agree that most schools could do a better job of teaching about racism and privilege, but it seems like all history in public school is treated like trivia, unconnected to society today.  </p>
<p>It is a really big thing to see that people of your own race have accomplished things and shaped history.  If you didn&#8217;t have that to look to, and if white people were ignorant of all the accomplishments, or even the existence of your race, I think you would wish you had it.  Black people and white people ask me &#8220;What are you?&#8221; all the time.  That&#8217;s what othering means to me.  </p>
<p>@SarahMC-I object to what Renee said because it isn&#8217;t the cause of insufficiently integrated history.  BHM exists more specifically because it was invented by a black professor as a way of correcting racism.  Saying that BHM itself is racist and that *it* makes a mockery of blackness seems as misguided to me as when the self-titled equality feminists say it marginalizes women to talk about our inequality.  </p>
<p>The extent to which we still need BHM is a real shame, but setting this month aside, in the meantime, has been a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: SarahMC</title>
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		<dc:creator>SarahMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[HanaMaru, I don&#039;t think BHM has a whole is racist.  It &lt;i&gt;exists&lt;/i&gt; *because* of racism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HanaMaru, I don&#8217;t think BHM has a whole is racist.  It <i>exists</i> *because* of racism.</p>
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		<title>By: robot ninja spy</title>
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		<dc:creator>robot ninja spy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@HanaMaru: I hear you and I agree something would be better than nothing. And I think your education sounds common and think it&#039;s lame, lame, lame, that the only thing we got about Asian Americans was a blurb about Japanese internment during WWII and, if we were lucky, maybe an excerpt from &quot;The Joy Luck Club&quot; in American Lit.&quot; But I really wish there would be a complete overhaul of our history and American Lit books, you know? How hard would it be for them to talk about the waves of Asian people who migrated to America in chronological order and how and what they contributed the same way we learn about the conditions under which various groups of Europeans came over? How hard would it be to seek out American writers of Asian descent and put them in the damn books AND not send the message that those are optional to include in the curriculum, for super dedicated students to read on their own, or for teachers to cover &quot;if they have time&quot;? It&#039;s bullshit. Because I think Asian history month would be even more trivialized than black history month, because how do you condense the history of an entire continent full of various cultures, you know? Again, I agree it would be better than nothing, but while we&#039;re hoping, we can think huge. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@HanaMaru: I hear you and I agree something would be better than nothing. And I think your education sounds common and think it&#8217;s lame, lame, lame, that the only thing we got about Asian Americans was a blurb about Japanese internment during WWII and, if we were lucky, maybe an excerpt from &#8220;The Joy Luck Club&#8221; in American Lit.&#8221; But I really wish there would be a complete overhaul of our history and American Lit books, you know? How hard would it be for them to talk about the waves of Asian people who migrated to America in chronological order and how and what they contributed the same way we learn about the conditions under which various groups of Europeans came over? How hard would it be to seek out American writers of Asian descent and put them in the damn books AND not send the message that those are optional to include in the curriculum, for super dedicated students to read on their own, or for teachers to cover &#8220;if they have time&#8221;? It&#8217;s bullshit. Because I think Asian history month would be even more trivialized than black history month, because how do you condense the history of an entire continent full of various cultures, you know? Again, I agree it would be better than nothing, but while we&#8217;re hoping, we can think huge. <img src='http://www.harpyness.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: HanaMaru</title>
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		<dc:creator>HanaMaru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 04:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it&#039;s a little extreme to call Black History Month as a whole racist and to say that it makes a mockery of black history.  The exclusivity that happens the rest of the year makes a mockery of the history of our country and white people who want their own month are racist.  
Where I grew up in N.C. we did learn about Crispus Attucks, abolitionists, the civil war and the black civil rights movement as part of the regular curriculum.  During February we had a special focus on black figures in American history, mostly male.  I don&#039;t know how common of an experience this was.  We learned little to nothing about the history of Asian Americans, Native Americans, women, the Irish.  As an Asian American woman I wish I had a whole damn month!  Can I get a week?  It&#039;s great to point out inequality.  Let me be clear that it SHOULD be pointed out, but with the perspective that I want what you&#039;re complaining about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s a little extreme to call Black History Month as a whole racist and to say that it makes a mockery of black history.  The exclusivity that happens the rest of the year makes a mockery of the history of our country and white people who want their own month are racist.<br />
Where I grew up in N.C. we did learn about Crispus Attucks, abolitionists, the civil war and the black civil rights movement as part of the regular curriculum.  During February we had a special focus on black figures in American history, mostly male.  I don&#8217;t know how common of an experience this was.  We learned little to nothing about the history of Asian Americans, Native Americans, women, the Irish.  As an Asian American woman I wish I had a whole damn month!  Can I get a week?  It&#8217;s great to point out inequality.  Let me be clear that it SHOULD be pointed out, but with the perspective that I want what you&#8217;re complaining about.</p>
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		<title>By: eloriane</title>
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		<dc:creator>eloriane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Lies My Teacher Told Me&quot; was actually my history class&#039; textbook at one point in high school, so I eventually got the truth out of my school system... but that was at my private school, and studying from &quot;Lies&quot; only made me more upset with the rubbish I was taught when I attended public schools.

I think my school did well with history in general, actually; the 6-year series of courses was pretty strictly chronological, starting with Australopithecus Afarensis. It really countered the &quot;other countries? what other countries?&quot; idea that I found in my public education, and made self-satisfied America-centrism pretty impossible, since we didn&#039;t even make it to American history for several years, and when we did, we spent a semester on the native cultures of the Americas first. The specific ways my teachers taught it also really stressed the idea that history is sort of a continuous intertwining struggle, that the next thing is always in response to the previous thing, etc., which made trying to separate just one group&#039;s history, well, nonsensical. The literature lined up well, too; we read a lot of Yoruba folk tales, and creation stories from a dozen different Native tribes, and we laughed at John Smith&#039;s ridiculous &quot;I totes killed 200 savages! No, wait, 300!&quot; stories, and so on. When we made it to American lit, we read things like Black Boy, the Yellow Wallpaper, and similar feminist and/or anti-racist literature, in addition to our culturally-mandated parade of old white guys.

And WOW, that&#039;s a lot of nostalgia. It proves that it IS possible, though, to teach even young(ish) kids a history that is true and encompassing of all people. There&#039;s no need for this essentialist rubbish.

Oh-- and did anyone else notice that in the video, all the people featured in the &quot;White History Month&quot; spoof were women?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Lies My Teacher Told Me&#8221; was actually my history class&#8217; textbook at one point in high school, so I eventually got the truth out of my school system&#8230; but that was at my private school, and studying from &#8220;Lies&#8221; only made me more upset with the rubbish I was taught when I attended public schools.</p>
<p>I think my school did well with history in general, actually; the 6-year series of courses was pretty strictly chronological, starting with Australopithecus Afarensis. It really countered the &#8220;other countries? what other countries?&#8221; idea that I found in my public education, and made self-satisfied America-centrism pretty impossible, since we didn&#8217;t even make it to American history for several years, and when we did, we spent a semester on the native cultures of the Americas first. The specific ways my teachers taught it also really stressed the idea that history is sort of a continuous intertwining struggle, that the next thing is always in response to the previous thing, etc., which made trying to separate just one group&#8217;s history, well, nonsensical. The literature lined up well, too; we read a lot of Yoruba folk tales, and creation stories from a dozen different Native tribes, and we laughed at John Smith&#8217;s ridiculous &#8220;I totes killed 200 savages! No, wait, 300!&#8221; stories, and so on. When we made it to American lit, we read things like Black Boy, the Yellow Wallpaper, and similar feminist and/or anti-racist literature, in addition to our culturally-mandated parade of old white guys.</p>
<p>And WOW, that&#8217;s a lot of nostalgia. It proves that it IS possible, though, to teach even young(ish) kids a history that is true and encompassing of all people. There&#8217;s no need for this essentialist rubbish.</p>
<p>Oh&#8211; and did anyone else notice that in the video, all the people featured in the &#8220;White History Month&#8221; spoof were women?</p>
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		<title>By: robot ninja spy</title>
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		<dc:creator>robot ninja spy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Unpossible: It&#039;s a daunting task, but also they were probably afraid of being accused of being &quot;too political&quot; and jeopardizing their jobs. My principals were always very vocal about what kind of school they were running and how they thought we should be taught and they were lucky to work in a district where the parents were on the same page.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Unpossible: It&#8217;s a daunting task, but also they were probably afraid of being accused of being &#8220;too political&#8221; and jeopardizing their jobs. My principals were always very vocal about what kind of school they were running and how they thought we should be taught and they were lucky to work in a district where the parents were on the same page.</p>
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