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	<title>Comments on: Joss Whedon’s Dollhouse: Personalities May Come and Go, But Daddy Issues Are Forever</title>
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		<title>By: Pilgrim Soul</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/02/23/joss-whedon%e2%80%99s-dollhouse-personalities-may-come-and-go-but-daddy-issues-are-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-2372</link>
		<dc:creator>Pilgrim Soul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vicarious:  didn&#039;t mean you, your comment got published, this is how you can be sure you were not among the &quot;why are you feminists so ANGRY&quot; set. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vicarious:  didn&#8217;t mean you, your comment got published, this is how you can be sure you were not among the &#8220;why are you feminists so ANGRY&#8221; set. <img src='http://www.harpyness.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Vicariousrising</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/02/23/joss-whedon%e2%80%99s-dollhouse-personalities-may-come-and-go-but-daddy-issues-are-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-2370</link>
		<dc:creator>Vicariousrising</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I&#039;m keeping the faith. I saw plenty of clues that the show is heading towards Echo proving that it is a big mistake to try to control and manipulate people the way the Dollhouse does. 

I enjoyed the weird exchange with the minion dude and Echo when he was angry with her and she blankly responded. I felt it underscored who the screwed up one was and, also, what does he have to be so mad about?  I found it funny. 

At any rate, I find everything Joss does to have many layers, but then, I&#039;m a big fan. And btw, when I mentioned in my comment on your last Dollhouse post that Willow was the one speaking, I wasn&#039;t implying you said anything wrong or attacking your post; I was merely showing what a Buffy geek I was too because I knew who you were quoting. Sorry you thought I was attacking or correcting you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m keeping the faith. I saw plenty of clues that the show is heading towards Echo proving that it is a big mistake to try to control and manipulate people the way the Dollhouse does. </p>
<p>I enjoyed the weird exchange with the minion dude and Echo when he was angry with her and she blankly responded. I felt it underscored who the screwed up one was and, also, what does he have to be so mad about?  I found it funny. </p>
<p>At any rate, I find everything Joss does to have many layers, but then, I&#8217;m a big fan. And btw, when I mentioned in my comment on your last Dollhouse post that Willow was the one speaking, I wasn&#8217;t implying you said anything wrong or attacking your post; I was merely showing what a Buffy geek I was too because I knew who you were quoting. Sorry you thought I was attacking or correcting you.</p>
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		<title>By: cate3710</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/02/23/joss-whedon%e2%80%99s-dollhouse-personalities-may-come-and-go-but-daddy-issues-are-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-2246</link>
		<dc:creator>cate3710</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 03:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also, evidently Alan Tudyk is playing Alpha. This pleases me, because Alan Tudyk is awesome. And it is completely unsurprising, because yeah, Joss likes to reuse actors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, evidently Alan Tudyk is playing Alpha. This pleases me, because Alan Tudyk is awesome. And it is completely unsurprising, because yeah, Joss likes to reuse actors.</p>
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		<title>By: cate3710</title>
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		<dc:creator>cate3710</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 03:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[She was imprinted to blindly trust Langdon, and in this episode she does trust him, but she doesn&#039;t accept it when he says that everything will be fine. She also retains the &quot;shoulder to the wheel&quot; gesture after she has had her brain wiped - like Alpha, she seems to be retaining things. So it does seem like she&#039;s slowly gaining tiny bits of agency and personality, though I admit her blank behavior inside the Dollhouse post-brain wipe freaks me out. 

The line &quot;I have 4 brothers, and none are Democrats&quot; (or something like that) when asked if she knew how to use a gun cracked me up.

As for the &quot;risk fee&quot; - maybe they decided to add that after the previous engagement got out of hand? My bet is that it is something added when there&#039;s potential for an active to have - rafting and climbing could easily lead to scrapes and bruises, making her less appealing to future customers. (Ugh, that was horrible to type, but if you&#039;re viewing her strictly as a commodity, which the Dollhouse does, that sort of logic makes sense.) The only reason it was mentioned in the episode was to create doubt about how far the Dollhouse bosses are willing to go to cater to a client&#039;s fantasy.

I think what bothers me most is the way the minion guy talked to her at the end - mentioning how people end up dead around her, how he&#039;d like to see her gone. She of course has no idea what he&#039;s talking about and can&#039;t respond in any informed way. She&#039;s completely vulnerable to his abuse. (Also, it seems stupid on the part of the minion. Why would he talk to Echo like that, present her with any non-engagement/non-daily life information? Seems risky, especially after Alpha.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She was imprinted to blindly trust Langdon, and in this episode she does trust him, but she doesn&#8217;t accept it when he says that everything will be fine. She also retains the &#8220;shoulder to the wheel&#8221; gesture after she has had her brain wiped &#8211; like Alpha, she seems to be retaining things. So it does seem like she&#8217;s slowly gaining tiny bits of agency and personality, though I admit her blank behavior inside the Dollhouse post-brain wipe freaks me out. </p>
<p>The line &#8220;I have 4 brothers, and none are Democrats&#8221; (or something like that) when asked if she knew how to use a gun cracked me up.</p>
<p>As for the &#8220;risk fee&#8221; &#8211; maybe they decided to add that after the previous engagement got out of hand? My bet is that it is something added when there&#8217;s potential for an active to have &#8211; rafting and climbing could easily lead to scrapes and bruises, making her less appealing to future customers. (Ugh, that was horrible to type, but if you&#8217;re viewing her strictly as a commodity, which the Dollhouse does, that sort of logic makes sense.) The only reason it was mentioned in the episode was to create doubt about how far the Dollhouse bosses are willing to go to cater to a client&#8217;s fantasy.</p>
<p>I think what bothers me most is the way the minion guy talked to her at the end &#8211; mentioning how people end up dead around her, how he&#8217;d like to see her gone. She of course has no idea what he&#8217;s talking about and can&#8217;t respond in any informed way. She&#8217;s completely vulnerable to his abuse. (Also, it seems stupid on the part of the minion. Why would he talk to Echo like that, present her with any non-engagement/non-daily life information? Seems risky, especially after Alpha.)</p>
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		<title>By: deeky</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/02/23/joss-whedon%e2%80%99s-dollhouse-personalities-may-come-and-go-but-daddy-issues-are-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-2146</link>
		<dc:creator>deeky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Is it me or does the Dollhouse ape the layout of Wolfram and Hart from Season Five of Angel?&lt;/i&gt;

i said the exact same thing to my roomie last week!

great posts, by the way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Is it me or does the Dollhouse ape the layout of Wolfram and Hart from Season Five of Angel?</i></p>
<p>i said the exact same thing to my roomie last week!</p>
<p>great posts, by the way.</p>
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		<title>By: belledame222</title>
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		<dc:creator>belledame222</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 09:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;&gt;See, Joss and I are in this place right now where it’s like we’re out to dinner with friends and all of a sudden I realize he is opining on the categorical imperative while chewing on a huge wad of spaghetti and everyone at the table is either bored or grossed out…&gt;&gt;

heh.  I haven&#039;t watched Dollhouse yet, but I feel ya, and that&#039;s nicely put.  although I do still enjoy the Buffy comics a lot, yeah, there are...faults.  always have been.  they become clearer as time goes on, yes.  and yeah, something about the sensibility seems a little dated as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;See, Joss and I are in this place right now where it’s like we’re out to dinner with friends and all of a sudden I realize he is opining on the categorical imperative while chewing on a huge wad of spaghetti and everyone at the table is either bored or grossed out…&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>heh.  I haven&#8217;t watched Dollhouse yet, but I feel ya, and that&#8217;s nicely put.  although I do still enjoy the Buffy comics a lot, yeah, there are&#8230;faults.  always have been.  they become clearer as time goes on, yes.  and yeah, something about the sensibility seems a little dated as well.</p>
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		<title>By: aspiringexpatriate</title>
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		<dc:creator>aspiringexpatriate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 02:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the sense that it is a massive corporate office feel, yes, it apes it. In the sense of layout and how the building works, no not at all.

As for the rest of the show, it seems to be a long game. At least last week&#039;s episode was enjoyable for the complete absurdity of &#039;massive plot twist encompassed in a shot&#039; before the commercial break. I was laughing through the first commercial. So that&#039;s something. Then again, I have an odd sense of humour.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the sense that it is a massive corporate office feel, yes, it apes it. In the sense of layout and how the building works, no not at all.</p>
<p>As for the rest of the show, it seems to be a long game. At least last week&#8217;s episode was enjoyable for the complete absurdity of &#8216;massive plot twist encompassed in a shot&#8217; before the commercial break. I was laughing through the first commercial. So that&#8217;s something. Then again, I have an odd sense of humour.</p>
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		<title>By: bluenose sailor</title>
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		<dc:creator>bluenose sailor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 02:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with the &quot;disturbing for disturbing’s sake&quot; characterization.  I know that  people think Whedon is building up to an overall feminist POV, but it&#039;s just too much torture titillation for me (I&#039;m the kind of person who can&#039;t stomach horror/slasher films).   I would like to give Whedon the benefit of the doubt, but I think each individual episode needs to express the vision of its creator. As a stand-alone episode, Dollhouse seems to me like any other &quot;dead hooker/stripper/adulturous housewife/little girl&quot; storyline on CSI. The message cannot help but be clouded when violence/misogyny is entertainment.

I think Dollhouse has both a vision problem (trying to be feminist and fails) and a storytelling problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the &#8220;disturbing for disturbing’s sake&#8221; characterization.  I know that  people think Whedon is building up to an overall feminist POV, but it&#8217;s just too much torture titillation for me (I&#8217;m the kind of person who can&#8217;t stomach horror/slasher films).   I would like to give Whedon the benefit of the doubt, but I think each individual episode needs to express the vision of its creator. As a stand-alone episode, Dollhouse seems to me like any other &#8220;dead hooker/stripper/adulturous housewife/little girl&#8221; storyline on CSI. The message cannot help but be clouded when violence/misogyny is entertainment.</p>
<p>I think Dollhouse has both a vision problem (trying to be feminist and fails) and a storytelling problem.</p>
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		<title>By: ratinski</title>
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		<dc:creator>ratinski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I haven&#039;t watched Dollhouse yet, but I have less and less patience for geeky tv (well, western geeky tv - I&#039;m currently downloading Japanese toku by the crapload) because of the a fore mentioned Lost Syndrome.  I watched Alias all the way through, despite the drunken plot continuity fairy, but I quickly lost patience with Lost and Heroes - the plot continuity problems Alias had were just compounded.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t watched Dollhouse yet, but I have less and less patience for geeky tv (well, western geeky tv &#8211; I&#8217;m currently downloading Japanese toku by the crapload) because of the a fore mentioned Lost Syndrome.  I watched Alias all the way through, despite the drunken plot continuity fairy, but I quickly lost patience with Lost and Heroes &#8211; the plot continuity problems Alias had were just compounded.</p>
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