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		<title>By: PepsiCoke</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/03/30/things-i-hate-gay-for-play/comment-page-1/#comment-5070</link>
		<dc:creator>PepsiCoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 22:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@PhDork: What other comments don&#039;t seem to be in good faith?  

It seems that you think I come here to get people upset. I like to think that I do contribute to the discussion but when I disagree with someone I&#039;ll let them know, and when I agree I will do the same.
I could just write &lt;i&gt;sarcasm&lt;/i&gt; after every light hearted joke I make, but what&#039;s the point of being sarcastic if you always have to let it be known.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@PhDork: What other comments don&#8217;t seem to be in good faith?  </p>
<p>It seems that you think I come here to get people upset. I like to think that I do contribute to the discussion but when I disagree with someone I&#8217;ll let them know, and when I agree I will do the same.<br />
I could just write <i>sarcasm</i> after every light hearted joke I make, but what&#8217;s the point of being sarcastic if you always have to let it be known.</p>
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		<title>By: PhDork</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/03/30/things-i-hate-gay-for-play/comment-page-1/#comment-5064</link>
		<dc:creator>PhDork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 21:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PepsiCoke: 1.  You&#039;ve left other comments here that don&#039;t seem to be in good faith (your man-hating comment on the P.Soul&#039;s thread is but one recent example); 2.  Both kithkin and s.o.a.l.g seem to have their sarcasmometers calibrated like mine; so either we&#039;re &lt;em&gt;all&lt;/em&gt; off, or you didn&#039;t express yourself very skillfully.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PepsiCoke: 1.  You&#8217;ve left other comments here that don&#8217;t seem to be in good faith (your man-hating comment on the P.Soul&#8217;s thread is but one recent example); 2.  Both kithkin and s.o.a.l.g seem to have their sarcasmometers calibrated like mine; so either we&#8217;re <em>all</em> off, or you didn&#8217;t express yourself very skillfully.</p>
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		<title>By: PepsiCoke</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/03/30/things-i-hate-gay-for-play/comment-page-1/#comment-5062</link>
		<dc:creator>PepsiCoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 20:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@PhDork: I was being sarcastic about her hoarding all of the good men from the hetero women. Maybe this is not the place for me if one cannot even throw around the slightest humor without offending everyone. Why is it a statement like that is taken at face value but a comment such as &lt;i&gt;Men are such assholes&lt;/i&gt; it is presumed they are being sarcastic. And please tell me where I scolded her for being a man hater?

@SarahMC: That is a very good question? But I think most people with common sense will realize that either comment is just a generalized statement.

I said what I said because reading Kitkin&#039;s and Cimorene&#039;s comments it did come off to me as if they really did/do want to be with women, but since they lived in a city with predominately heterosexuals they just deiced to date men. If that is not the case then I stand corrected, but that is how their comments came across to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@PhDork: I was being sarcastic about her hoarding all of the good men from the hetero women. Maybe this is not the place for me if one cannot even throw around the slightest humor without offending everyone. Why is it a statement like that is taken at face value but a comment such as <i>Men are such assholes</i> it is presumed they are being sarcastic. And please tell me where I scolded her for being a man hater?</p>
<p>@SarahMC: That is a very good question? But I think most people with common sense will realize that either comment is just a generalized statement.</p>
<p>I said what I said because reading Kitkin&#8217;s and Cimorene&#8217;s comments it did come off to me as if they really did/do want to be with women, but since they lived in a city with predominately heterosexuals they just deiced to date men. If that is not the case then I stand corrected, but that is how their comments came across to me.</p>
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		<title>By: SarahMC</title>
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		<dc:creator>SarahMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 16:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why is the statement &quot;I love men&quot; never challenged on the basis that &quot;men&quot; includes all the really horrible, abusive, rapey, lying men out there, but the slightest &quot;anti-men&quot; sentiments are quickly condemned on the basis that &quot;men&quot; includes the decent, honest, loving men out there?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is the statement &#8220;I love men&#8221; never challenged on the basis that &#8220;men&#8221; includes all the really horrible, abusive, rapey, lying men out there, but the slightest &#8220;anti-men&#8221; sentiments are quickly condemned on the basis that &#8220;men&#8221; includes the decent, honest, loving men out there?</p>
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		<title>By: PhDork</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhDork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 15:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hugz, kithkin.  It&#039;s like you like people as, you know, &lt;em&gt;people&lt;/em&gt;, based on their merits and foibles, rather than arbitrary standards of dude- or babe-liness.  You So Crazy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hugz, kithkin.  It&#8217;s like you like people as, you know, <em>people</em>, based on their merits and foibles, rather than arbitrary standards of dude- or babe-liness.  You So Crazy.</p>
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		<title>By: sarah.of.a.lesser.god</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/03/30/things-i-hate-gay-for-play/comment-page-1/#comment-4923</link>
		<dc:creator>sarah.of.a.lesser.god</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 15:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PepsiCoke, I don&#039;t think this is the site for you if you&#039;re taking that attitude.  My stepmother refuses to label her gender and married my father after years of being with women.  This does not invalidate her previous relationships, nor does it mean she&#039;s doing &quot;straight for play&quot; -- because there is no way you can equate playing gay with &quot;playing&quot; straight.  One is a sexuality that is deemed immoral and even criminal by large swaths of the world&#039;s population, the other is the default norm according to arbitrary morality.  Your comment is extremely ignorant, and saying that someone is stealing men away from hetero women perhaps best captures the spirit that we don&#039;t really want to see here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PepsiCoke, I don&#8217;t think this is the site for you if you&#8217;re taking that attitude.  My stepmother refuses to label her gender and married my father after years of being with women.  This does not invalidate her previous relationships, nor does it mean she&#8217;s doing &#8220;straight for play&#8221; &#8212; because there is no way you can equate playing gay with &#8220;playing&#8221; straight.  One is a sexuality that is deemed immoral and even criminal by large swaths of the world&#8217;s population, the other is the default norm according to arbitrary morality.  Your comment is extremely ignorant, and saying that someone is stealing men away from hetero women perhaps best captures the spirit that we don&#8217;t really want to see here.</p>
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		<title>By: kithkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>kithkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 15:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks PhDork.

I married my husband because I love him and wanted (and still want) to spend the rest of my life with him. End of story. I don&#039;t &quot;love men&quot; or &quot;love women,&quot; in general, although I feel and always have felt like I could be in a romantic and sexual relationship with the right person, regardless of her or his gender. I have found that right person, and he happens to have a penis and identify as male. So. I love one man and we have agreed to spend the rest of our lives together. Period. Sorry you won&#039;t get the opportunity to date him because I&#039;m busy hogging the dudes. /eye roll

What you said was extremely shitty, PepsiCoke. Thanks, PhDork, I just felt I had to say something myself, too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks PhDork.</p>
<p>I married my husband because I love him and wanted (and still want) to spend the rest of my life with him. End of story. I don&#8217;t &#8220;love men&#8221; or &#8220;love women,&#8221; in general, although I feel and always have felt like I could be in a romantic and sexual relationship with the right person, regardless of her or his gender. I have found that right person, and he happens to have a penis and identify as male. So. I love one man and we have agreed to spend the rest of our lives together. Period. Sorry you won&#8217;t get the opportunity to date him because I&#8217;m busy hogging the dudes. /eye roll</p>
<p>What you said was extremely shitty, PepsiCoke. Thanks, PhDork, I just felt I had to say something myself, too.</p>
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		<title>By: PhDork</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhDork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 15:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh look!  Another passive-agressive comment attempting to slip under the radar by beginning with a pathetic attempt at fauxpologizing!

PepsiCoke:  You&#039;re not sorry.  You&#039;re being rude and condescending, and that shit is not welcome here.  If you have something to add to the conversation, that&#039;s one thing, but you&#039;re basically scolding other readers as man-haters (and boy, you know how true that is!) and telling Cimorene to quit bogarting the eligible dudes.  All I can say is:  Srsly?  Why are you here?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh look!  Another passive-agressive comment attempting to slip under the radar by beginning with a pathetic attempt at fauxpologizing!</p>
<p>PepsiCoke:  You&#8217;re not sorry.  You&#8217;re being rude and condescending, and that shit is not welcome here.  If you have something to add to the conversation, that&#8217;s one thing, but you&#8217;re basically scolding other readers as man-haters (and boy, you know how true that is!) and telling Cimorene to quit bogarting the eligible dudes.  All I can say is:  Srsly?  Why are you here?</p>
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		<title>By: PepsiCoke</title>
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		<dc:creator>PepsiCoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 03:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I’m dating a man not because he’s a man and I love men, or because I wanted to date a man for once, or even because he’s all that special*. I’m dating a man because I couldn’t meet any lesbians in this town when I moved here from Boston.&quot;

I&#039;m sorry to hear that. It seems like you (and Kithkin) decided to settle for whatever you could get. I date men because I love men, because I like being with men, and I date men that are special to me. I mean is there really any other reason to date a man (or a woman). If you want to be with women but you&#039;re dating men out of convenience, then not only is it unfair to you it is unfair to him (not to mention the many single hetero girls out there).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m dating a man not because he’s a man and I love men, or because I wanted to date a man for once, or even because he’s all that special*. I’m dating a man because I couldn’t meet any lesbians in this town when I moved here from Boston.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry to hear that. It seems like you (and Kithkin) decided to settle for whatever you could get. I date men because I love men, because I like being with men, and I date men that are special to me. I mean is there really any other reason to date a man (or a woman). If you want to be with women but you&#8217;re dating men out of convenience, then not only is it unfair to you it is unfair to him (not to mention the many single hetero girls out there).</p>
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		<title>By: Cimorene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cimorene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 02:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ahhh.  I hate this so much.  The first time people from my graduate program hung out last September, I got into a serious fight with three creepy, creepy men who heard me talking about QUEER THEORY with a gay male friend, and when I began to relate my own personal experiences with being a part-time gay and the gender/sexuality expectations that depressingly do not go away but just mutate with same-sex partners, these idiots literally interrupted our personal and erudite conversation to say (and I quote), &quot;What! Girls making out! Wait go back and start over!  So hot!&quot; etc etc.  I got so angry.  I began with mildly cold jokes about creepy men who objectify women, then into stone-cold lectures about the fetishization of lesbianism, then straight up soap-box bitch-face on the disgusting and ridiculous assumption that gay women make out for the pleasure of straight men, that straight men are the center of the universe, and that lesbians even CARE what they-all think.

Oh my it gets my blood boiling just thinking about it.  I totally made them my arch nemeses for the next two years. And I intend to crush them with my Crazy Feminist Logick. (It&#039;s actually working well so far.)

This is also a very frustrating subject for me because I am a queer woman dating a straight man.  And when all my friends from college found out I was dating a guy, it was like Another one bites the dust.  Which is sad. But also, so many women who I dated and who dated women exclusively in college (also went to a women&#039;s college) began to date men upon re-entering the Real World.  It&#039;s so hard to be queer in such a heteronormative place.  I&#039;m dating a man not because he&#039;s a man and I love men, or because I wanted to date a man for once, or even because he&#039;s all that special*.  I&#039;m dating a man because I couldn&#039;t meet any lesbians in this town when I moved here from Boston.  When you&#039;re spending 98% of your time with hetero folk, it&#039;s unsurprising that your chances of finding a suitable same-sex relationship partner hover at about 2%.

*though of course he is--but I certainly didn&#039;t know it when I drunkenly (very drunkenly) kissed him that fateful day so many moons ago.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhh.  I hate this so much.  The first time people from my graduate program hung out last September, I got into a serious fight with three creepy, creepy men who heard me talking about QUEER THEORY with a gay male friend, and when I began to relate my own personal experiences with being a part-time gay and the gender/sexuality expectations that depressingly do not go away but just mutate with same-sex partners, these idiots literally interrupted our personal and erudite conversation to say (and I quote), &#8220;What! Girls making out! Wait go back and start over!  So hot!&#8221; etc etc.  I got so angry.  I began with mildly cold jokes about creepy men who objectify women, then into stone-cold lectures about the fetishization of lesbianism, then straight up soap-box bitch-face on the disgusting and ridiculous assumption that gay women make out for the pleasure of straight men, that straight men are the center of the universe, and that lesbians even CARE what they-all think.</p>
<p>Oh my it gets my blood boiling just thinking about it.  I totally made them my arch nemeses for the next two years. And I intend to crush them with my Crazy Feminist Logick. (It&#8217;s actually working well so far.)</p>
<p>This is also a very frustrating subject for me because I am a queer woman dating a straight man.  And when all my friends from college found out I was dating a guy, it was like Another one bites the dust.  Which is sad. But also, so many women who I dated and who dated women exclusively in college (also went to a women&#8217;s college) began to date men upon re-entering the Real World.  It&#8217;s so hard to be queer in such a heteronormative place.  I&#8217;m dating a man not because he&#8217;s a man and I love men, or because I wanted to date a man for once, or even because he&#8217;s all that special*.  I&#8217;m dating a man because I couldn&#8217;t meet any lesbians in this town when I moved here from Boston.  When you&#8217;re spending 98% of your time with hetero folk, it&#8217;s unsurprising that your chances of finding a suitable same-sex relationship partner hover at about 2%.</p>
<p>*though of course he is&#8211;but I certainly didn&#8217;t know it when I drunkenly (very drunkenly) kissed him that fateful day so many moons ago.</p>
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