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	<title>Comments on: What&#8217;s a Classic Rocker to do?</title>
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		<title>By: Grand Ingenue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grand Ingenue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, I&#039;m in a dilemma. I&#039;m in a newly formed band with 5 men and 1 women. The man who wants to do &quot;Brown Sugar&quot; said, &quot;Uh, the lyrics are pretty raunchy&quot; when he brought it up. I LOVE the Stones! The little pigs. I think that &quot;Satanic Majesty&quot; thing was kind of for real for them. I guess they&#039;re in touch with the very real cruelty in the world. Okay. Well. I guess I&#039;m not doing the song. I wish I could find a feminist lyricist who could take the song and make it juicy liberation, like Mae West meets Weird Al, writing in verse.  Any takers?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I&#8217;m in a dilemma. I&#8217;m in a newly formed band with 5 men and 1 women. The man who wants to do &#8220;Brown Sugar&#8221; said, &#8220;Uh, the lyrics are pretty raunchy&#8221; when he brought it up. I LOVE the Stones! The little pigs. I think that &#8220;Satanic Majesty&#8221; thing was kind of for real for them. I guess they&#8217;re in touch with the very real cruelty in the world. Okay. Well. I guess I&#8217;m not doing the song. I wish I could find a feminist lyricist who could take the song and make it juicy liberation, like Mae West meets Weird Al, writing in verse.  Any takers?</p>
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		<title>By: zooeyibz</title>
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		<dc:creator>zooeyibz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Personally, I&#039;ve always found the Beatles&#039; brand of faux-wholesome nastiness way creepier than the Stones. Read any of the bios of that crowd and the Stones were a pretty mellow bunch by comparison. 

I love Under My Thumb, but I&#039;ve always imagined it sung by by a really pathetic drunk, trying desperately to show off for his &quot;mates&quot;. I can picture his bleary face, and the other patrons of the bar laughing behind his back at his lame macho fantasising.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I&#8217;ve always found the Beatles&#8217; brand of faux-wholesome nastiness way creepier than the Stones. Read any of the bios of that crowd and the Stones were a pretty mellow bunch by comparison. </p>
<p>I love Under My Thumb, but I&#8217;ve always imagined it sung by by a really pathetic drunk, trying desperately to show off for his &#8220;mates&#8221;. I can picture his bleary face, and the other patrons of the bar laughing behind his back at his lame macho fantasising.</p>
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		<title>By: May</title>
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		<dc:creator>May</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Under My Thumb&quot; creeps me out like whoa. I spent one full week contemplating the creepiness of that song. Sigh.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Under My Thumb&#8221; creeps me out like whoa. I spent one full week contemplating the creepiness of that song. Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: DaisyDeadhead</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/04/27/whats-a-classic-rocker-to-do/comment-page-1/#comment-7146</link>
		<dc:creator>DaisyDeadhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In my old 70s feminist collective, we listened to it only under cover of darkness, with headphones. ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my old 70s feminist collective, we listened to it only under cover of darkness, with headphones. <img src='http://www.harpyness.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: La Chica Lucy</title>
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		<dc:creator>La Chica Lucy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 01:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now that I think about it, it&#039;s actually amazing how many great (music wise, that is) anti-women classic rock/blues/etc. popular songs there are out there. It&#039;s almost impossible to avoid. Then again, I guess it&#039;s &lt;I&gt;not&lt;/I&gt; amazing given that we do live in a patriarchal society.

I was briefly in a garage band (which, trust me, was never going to leave our garage) with my all-dude housemates in which I would sing misogynist and/or sexist lyrics, i.e. Sex Type Thing, Run for Your Life, Plush. I picked these songs, much to the surprise of my &quot;band&quot; mates, precisely because they KNEW the songs were sexist and let me tell you, it lead to some very interesting conversations about popular lyrics and cultural misogyny. And when their buddies would come over and see a woman screaming/growling, &quot;You shouldn&#039;t have worn that dress!&quot; into a microphone. Well. Again, a lot of really interesting discussions ensued, and, I&#039;d like to think (hope) that some of those discussions were eye-opening to the men involved.

So maybe we can enjoy these songs and their musical styles while constantly pointing out to others what is also inherently wrong with the sentiments/messages they are expressing? 

Also, don&#039;t some seemingly anti-woman lyrics actually bring to light to some anti-woman realities? One that jumps to mind is Judy Collins&#039; &quot;Polly Pretty Polly&quot; which ends in Polly&#039;s murder. The perpetrator is damned and the listener feels empathy for the young woman who pleads for life: &quot;Let me be a single girl, if I can&#039;t be your wife.&quot;

BTW, and not OT I hope: I should have KNOWN my first husband was a douche-bag when he suggested &quot;Under My Thumb&quot; for our second dance. I suggested &quot;(I Can&#039;t Get No) Satisfaction&quot; instead. 

Okay, I&#039;ll shut up now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that I think about it, it&#8217;s actually amazing how many great (music wise, that is) anti-women classic rock/blues/etc. popular songs there are out there. It&#8217;s almost impossible to avoid. Then again, I guess it&#8217;s <i>not</i> amazing given that we do live in a patriarchal society.</p>
<p>I was briefly in a garage band (which, trust me, was never going to leave our garage) with my all-dude housemates in which I would sing misogynist and/or sexist lyrics, i.e. Sex Type Thing, Run for Your Life, Plush. I picked these songs, much to the surprise of my &#8220;band&#8221; mates, precisely because they KNEW the songs were sexist and let me tell you, it lead to some very interesting conversations about popular lyrics and cultural misogyny. And when their buddies would come over and see a woman screaming/growling, &#8220;You shouldn&#8217;t have worn that dress!&#8221; into a microphone. Well. Again, a lot of really interesting discussions ensued, and, I&#8217;d like to think (hope) that some of those discussions were eye-opening to the men involved.</p>
<p>So maybe we can enjoy these songs and their musical styles while constantly pointing out to others what is also inherently wrong with the sentiments/messages they are expressing? </p>
<p>Also, don&#8217;t some seemingly anti-woman lyrics actually bring to light to some anti-woman realities? One that jumps to mind is Judy Collins&#8217; &#8220;Polly Pretty Polly&#8221; which ends in Polly&#8217;s murder. The perpetrator is damned and the listener feels empathy for the young woman who pleads for life: &#8220;Let me be a single girl, if I can&#8217;t be your wife.&#8221;</p>
<p>BTW, and not OT I hope: I should have KNOWN my first husband was a douche-bag when he suggested &#8220;Under My Thumb&#8221; for our second dance. I suggested &#8220;(I Can&#8217;t Get No) Satisfaction&#8221; instead. </p>
<p>Okay, I&#8217;ll shut up now.</p>
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		<title>By: La Chica Lucy</title>
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		<dc:creator>La Chica Lucy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 00:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kivrin, I must agree with you. I don&#039;t like that slur, but the lyrics of that song really speak to me, and the point of using that slur is to slam home the message.

&lt;I&gt;&quot;If she won&#039;t be a slave, we say that she don&#039;t love us
If she&#039;s real, we say she&#039;s trying to be a man
While putting her down, we pretend that she&#039;s above us

We make her bear and raise our children
And then we leave her flat for being a fat old mother hen
We tell her home is the only place she should be
Then we complain that shes too unworldly to be our friend

We insult her every day on tv
And wonder why she has no guts or confidence
When she&#039;s young we kill her will to be free
While telling her not to be so smart, we put her down for being so dumb

We make her paint her face and dance.
We make her paint her face and dance.&quot;&lt;/I&gt;

Pretty damn succinct summation of The Patriarchy, IMHO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kivrin, I must agree with you. I don&#8217;t like that slur, but the lyrics of that song really speak to me, and the point of using that slur is to slam home the message.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;If she won&#8217;t be a slave, we say that she don&#8217;t love us<br />
If she&#8217;s real, we say she&#8217;s trying to be a man<br />
While putting her down, we pretend that she&#8217;s above us</p>
<p>We make her bear and raise our children<br />
And then we leave her flat for being a fat old mother hen<br />
We tell her home is the only place she should be<br />
Then we complain that shes too unworldly to be our friend</p>
<p>We insult her every day on tv<br />
And wonder why she has no guts or confidence<br />
When she&#8217;s young we kill her will to be free<br />
While telling her not to be so smart, we put her down for being so dumb</p>
<p>We make her paint her face and dance.<br />
We make her paint her face and dance.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Pretty damn succinct summation of The Patriarchy, IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ KMars: I&#039;m the same way. I&#039;ve always loved classic rock, but fairly recently discovered feminism . . . I guess I just list bands like The Rolling Stones under &quot;guilty pleasures&quot;. Besides, I&#039;ve been listening to classic rock since long before I was old enough to have a clue what any of the lyrics meant :P]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ KMars: I&#8217;m the same way. I&#8217;ve always loved classic rock, but fairly recently discovered feminism . . . I guess I just list bands like The Rolling Stones under &#8220;guilty pleasures&#8221;. Besides, I&#8217;ve been listening to classic rock since long before I was old enough to have a clue what any of the lyrics meant <img src='http://www.harpyness.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Endora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Endora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@macon d: I didn&#039;t think I could love John Lennon any more, but now I do.

I never really liked many of the Stones&#039; lyrics, although I like a lot of their music.

Lucky for me, I listen mostly to lefties, The Beatles, John Lennon, Bob Dylan, Joni Mitchell, Patti Smith, Reinhard Mey.  

One of my favourite German bands (Ton Steine Scherben) were prominent anarchists, they have songs advocating squatting, and two of their most famous songs are called &#039;Destroy what destroys you&#039; and &#039;No power for nobody&#039;...  The ideology might be a bit outdated now, but you can appreciate the feeling behind it, anyway.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@macon d: I didn&#8217;t think I could love John Lennon any more, but now I do.</p>
<p>I never really liked many of the Stones&#8217; lyrics, although I like a lot of their music.</p>
<p>Lucky for me, I listen mostly to lefties, The Beatles, John Lennon, Bob Dylan, Joni Mitchell, Patti Smith, Reinhard Mey.  </p>
<p>One of my favourite German bands (Ton Steine Scherben) were prominent anarchists, they have songs advocating squatting, and two of their most famous songs are called &#8216;Destroy what destroys you&#8217; and &#8216;No power for nobody&#8217;&#8230;  The ideology might be a bit outdated now, but you can appreciate the feeling behind it, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: KMars</title>
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		<dc:creator>KMars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 06:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately The Beatles (particularly John) were pretty douche-y regarding women, I believe.  See esp. &quot;Run for Your Life&quot; which opens with the line, &quot;Well, I&#039;d rather see you dead, little girl, than to be with another man.&quot;  I mean, I&#039;m pretty sure Lennon never actually killed a girl, but it&#039;s not exactly something that makes me feel warm and safe to listen to...

But I do love them!  And Zeppelin.  And Pink Floyd.  Hate the Stones, though.  I just love music so much that I&#039;ve gotten good at compartmentalizing my feminism and my rock and roll as two seperate facets of who I am, while still keeping a grasp on my values.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately The Beatles (particularly John) were pretty douche-y regarding women, I believe.  See esp. &#8220;Run for Your Life&#8221; which opens with the line, &#8220;Well, I&#8217;d rather see you dead, little girl, than to be with another man.&#8221;  I mean, I&#8217;m pretty sure Lennon never actually killed a girl, but it&#8217;s not exactly something that makes me feel warm and safe to listen to&#8230;</p>
<p>But I do love them!  And Zeppelin.  And Pink Floyd.  Hate the Stones, though.  I just love music so much that I&#8217;ve gotten good at compartmentalizing my feminism and my rock and roll as two seperate facets of who I am, while still keeping a grasp on my values.</p>
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		<title>By: Kivrin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kivrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 00:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@macon d: Hard to hear anyone, even Mr. Lennon, saying &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; word...but apart from that, I&#039;d say he&#039;s spot on. (Of course I&#039;ve heard that he wasn&#039;t necessarily so enlightened prior to meeting Yoko Ono, but...hey, at least he came around eventually!)

Damn you, Mark David Chapman.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@macon d: Hard to hear anyone, even Mr. Lennon, saying <i>that</i> word&#8230;but apart from that, I&#8217;d say he&#8217;s spot on. (Of course I&#8217;ve heard that he wasn&#8217;t necessarily so enlightened prior to meeting Yoko Ono, but&#8230;hey, at least he came around eventually!)</p>
<p>Damn you, Mark David Chapman.</p>
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