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	<title>Comments on: Feminist Food For Thought: bell hooks on Motherhood</title>
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		<title>By: ellathibodeaux</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/04/29/feminist-food-for-thought-bell-hooks-on-motherhood/comment-page-1/#comment-88920</link>
		<dc:creator>ellathibodeaux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2012 20:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What bothers me about the over emphasis on motherhood as woman&#039;s truest vocation is where does that leave women who have aged out of the ability to bear children or who for whatever reason beyond age cannot conceive? Its as if society/misguided feminists are saying women are only useful if they are young and/or able to be a mother.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What bothers me about the over emphasis on motherhood as woman&#8217;s truest vocation is where does that leave women who have aged out of the ability to bear children or who for whatever reason beyond age cannot conceive? Its as if society/misguided feminists are saying women are only useful if they are young and/or able to be a mother.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/04/29/feminist-food-for-thought-bell-hooks-on-motherhood/comment-page-1/#comment-7284</link>
		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that feminism needs to focus more on the challenges of motherhood. Rather than ostracizing women who have children (or who don&#039;t), I think we need to be honest about its challenges: how it influences education and career decisions, how having a baby changes your relationship dynamic (if you&#039;re in one), how having a baby changes your career, etc. While I definitely think there is something to arguing that what women do (including mothering) is valuable, I think ignoring the negative aspects does nothing for the project of feminism. We need to focus more on the challenges and coming up with viable solutions.

I worry a lot about how having a child is going to affect my career, my relationship, my individuality. I&#039;ve read so many studies and articles that say even with families who attempt to be equal, women end up doing the bulk of the child-rearing and work around the house. While I look forward to having children, I do not look forward to a lot of the problems I know will come along with it. I know I&#039;m not alone on this. This is why we need to have a serious conversation about this, about the actual challenges, not just theoretical suppositions about what motherhood is and whether it is good or bad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that feminism needs to focus more on the challenges of motherhood. Rather than ostracizing women who have children (or who don&#8217;t), I think we need to be honest about its challenges: how it influences education and career decisions, how having a baby changes your relationship dynamic (if you&#8217;re in one), how having a baby changes your career, etc. While I definitely think there is something to arguing that what women do (including mothering) is valuable, I think ignoring the negative aspects does nothing for the project of feminism. We need to focus more on the challenges and coming up with viable solutions.</p>
<p>I worry a lot about how having a child is going to affect my career, my relationship, my individuality. I&#8217;ve read so many studies and articles that say even with families who attempt to be equal, women end up doing the bulk of the child-rearing and work around the house. While I look forward to having children, I do not look forward to a lot of the problems I know will come along with it. I know I&#8217;m not alone on this. This is why we need to have a serious conversation about this, about the actual challenges, not just theoretical suppositions about what motherhood is and whether it is good or bad.</p>
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		<title>By: J.D.regent</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/04/29/feminist-food-for-thought-bell-hooks-on-motherhood/comment-page-1/#comment-7274</link>
		<dc:creator>J.D.regent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 18:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah Daisy I think the cultural feminist movement/ethic of care business is probably what hooks was reacting to too, and I really see that as a separate kind of issue from yoga mommies or whatever upper class white woman phenomenon people are talking about, and I think cultural feminism is not as ascendant as it once was.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Daisy I think the cultural feminist movement/ethic of care business is probably what hooks was reacting to too, and I really see that as a separate kind of issue from yoga mommies or whatever upper class white woman phenomenon people are talking about, and I think cultural feminism is not as ascendant as it once was.</p>
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		<title>By: DaisyDeadhead</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/04/29/feminist-food-for-thought-bell-hooks-on-motherhood/comment-page-1/#comment-7264</link>
		<dc:creator>DaisyDeadhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rodriguez, Heart does, at the blog &quot;Women&#039;s Space&quot;--not linking due to her insistent transphobia.  

There was a romanticizing-motherhood element of the Second Wave, which was known as &quot;cultural feminism&quot; at the time.  It was basically an attempt to reclaim the work women historically had done (quilting, gardening, mothering, canning vegetables, knitting, etc) as more valuable than what men had historically done, a feminist challenge to conventional history and re-centering of women&#039;s experience.

I am not sure if my previous comment was taken positively or negatively (some of this discussion seems to be going right over my head, which isn&#039;t unusual), but my apologies if it was regarded negatively--that was not my intention.  I was just relating my own experiences.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rodriguez, Heart does, at the blog &#8220;Women&#8217;s Space&#8221;&#8211;not linking due to her insistent transphobia.  </p>
<p>There was a romanticizing-motherhood element of the Second Wave, which was known as &#8220;cultural feminism&#8221; at the time.  It was basically an attempt to reclaim the work women historically had done (quilting, gardening, mothering, canning vegetables, knitting, etc) as more valuable than what men had historically done, a feminist challenge to conventional history and re-centering of women&#8217;s experience.</p>
<p>I am not sure if my previous comment was taken positively or negatively (some of this discussion seems to be going right over my head, which isn&#8217;t unusual), but my apologies if it was regarded negatively&#8211;that was not my intention.  I was just relating my own experiences.</p>
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		<title>By: rodriguez</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/04/29/feminist-food-for-thought-bell-hooks-on-motherhood/comment-page-1/#comment-7233</link>
		<dc:creator>rodriguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In this anonymous forum I&#039;ll say that I love my kids to death but raising them, for ME, is NOT satisfying enough to occupy all of my attention.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this anonymous forum I&#8217;ll say that I love my kids to death but raising them, for ME, is NOT satisfying enough to occupy all of my attention.</p>
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		<title>By: rodriguez</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/04/29/feminist-food-for-thought-bell-hooks-on-motherhood/comment-page-1/#comment-7232</link>
		<dc:creator>rodriguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Motherhood is as romanticized by some feminist activists&lt;/i&gt;

Harpies I have a question for you. Are there links or do we know &lt;i&gt;who&lt;/i&gt; specifically bell hooks is referring to?

If it&#039;s the smug Brooklyn mommies of the comments, that&#039;s less interesting to me. If it means some (possibly insincere) attempts at feminism by bishops in the RC Church, that&#039;s something else again.

Or, is the reference is to some other published, feminist person discussing feminism who seems to romanticize motherhood? That&#039;s most interesting to me. Who would that be?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Motherhood is as romanticized by some feminist activists</i></p>
<p>Harpies I have a question for you. Are there links or do we know <i>who</i> specifically bell hooks is referring to?</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s the smug Brooklyn mommies of the comments, that&#8217;s less interesting to me. If it means some (possibly insincere) attempts at feminism by bishops in the RC Church, that&#8217;s something else again.</p>
<p>Or, is the reference is to some other published, feminist person discussing feminism who seems to romanticize motherhood? That&#8217;s most interesting to me. Who would that be?</p>
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		<title>By: Kari</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/04/29/feminist-food-for-thought-bell-hooks-on-motherhood/comment-page-1/#comment-7227</link>
		<dc:creator>Kari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, it absolutely cuts both ways.  When I see the judgement that is heaped on mothers (and fathers), and how nasty and personal it can get, I absolutely cringe. I&#039;m trying to keep an open mind and remember that, as Cheryl Trooskin-Zoller points out, the smugness and snark on both sides comes from dysfunction in society and does no one any good.

@emilyanne:  For the record, I always ask friends/acquaintances who are pregnant or already parents about non-parenting aspects of their lives.  I imagine that when people assume being your child&#039;s keeper is the only thing that defines you, it&#039;s as aggravating as when people assume that my childlessness defines me!
							Oops...forgot to say great post! Looking forward to your next one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it absolutely cuts both ways.  When I see the judgement that is heaped on mothers (and fathers), and how nasty and personal it can get, I absolutely cringe. I&#8217;m trying to keep an open mind and remember that, as Cheryl Trooskin-Zoller points out, the smugness and snark on both sides comes from dysfunction in society and does no one any good.</p>
<p>@emilyanne:  For the record, I always ask friends/acquaintances who are pregnant or already parents about non-parenting aspects of their lives.  I imagine that when people assume being your child&#8217;s keeper is the only thing that defines you, it&#8217;s as aggravating as when people assume that my childlessness defines me!<br />
							Oops&#8230;forgot to say great post! Looking forward to your next one.</p>
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		<title>By: Kari</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/04/29/feminist-food-for-thought-bell-hooks-on-motherhood/comment-page-1/#comment-7205</link>
		<dc:creator>Kari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, it absolutely cuts both ways.  When I see the judgement that is heaped on mothers (and fathers), and how nasty and personal it can get, I absolutely cringe. I&#039;m trying to keep an open mind and remember that, as Cheryl Trooskin-Zoller points out, the smugness and snark on both sides comes from dysfunction in society and does no one any good.

@emilyanne:  For the record, I always ask friends/acquaintances who are pregnant or already parents about non-parenting aspects of their lives.  I imagine that when people assume being your child&#039;s keeper is the only thing that defines you, it&#039;s as aggravating as when people assume that my childlessness defines me!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it absolutely cuts both ways.  When I see the judgement that is heaped on mothers (and fathers), and how nasty and personal it can get, I absolutely cringe. I&#8217;m trying to keep an open mind and remember that, as Cheryl Trooskin-Zoller points out, the smugness and snark on both sides comes from dysfunction in society and does no one any good.</p>
<p>@emilyanne:  For the record, I always ask friends/acquaintances who are pregnant or already parents about non-parenting aspects of their lives.  I imagine that when people assume being your child&#8217;s keeper is the only thing that defines you, it&#8217;s as aggravating as when people assume that my childlessness defines me!</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/04/29/feminist-food-for-thought-bell-hooks-on-motherhood/comment-page-1/#comment-7200</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@J.D. Regent:  The women who come out on top are the ones who are happiest with their lives.  Childless women who are richer and more advanced in the workplace only come out on top if being rich and advancing at work are what they value.  For those of us who see money and work as a means to an end—with the end being a happy family that spends time together, and a partner you love, and children who you raise to be good citizens—being in a position to make more money doesn’t automatically equate to coming out on top.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@J.D. Regent:  The women who come out on top are the ones who are happiest with their lives.  Childless women who are richer and more advanced in the workplace only come out on top if being rich and advancing at work are what they value.  For those of us who see money and work as a means to an end—with the end being a happy family that spends time together, and a partner you love, and children who you raise to be good citizens—being in a position to make more money doesn’t automatically equate to coming out on top.</p>
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		<title>By: SarahMC</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/04/29/feminist-food-for-thought-bell-hooks-on-motherhood/comment-page-1/#comment-7198</link>
		<dc:creator>SarahMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My co-worker was pregnant last year (we travel together for work sometimes and do a lot of projects together) and she often complained that once she was visibly pregnant, people treated her like a pregnant lady rather than the individual woman she had always been.  I saw how frustrating it was for her; people thought she was only capable or interested in talking about baby names and nurseries.

I think JD&#039;s first comment gets it right about one thing: mothers are not *actually* treated well under patriarchy.  In fact, once a woman is in charge of a baby or two, patriarchy mommy-tracks her in many ways, and that&#039;s not cool at all.  
So on one hand those of us without children see the way patriarchy scolds us and tells us we&#039;re not doing our &quot;jobs&quot; as women and are worthless for not fulfilling our destinies, etc.  But it is only doing that because it knows that once we become mothers it can deny us promotions and pressure us to stay out of the public sphere and police our every waking moment even more strictly than it otherwise does!
Wow I feel like I&#039;ve had an epiphany.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My co-worker was pregnant last year (we travel together for work sometimes and do a lot of projects together) and she often complained that once she was visibly pregnant, people treated her like a pregnant lady rather than the individual woman she had always been.  I saw how frustrating it was for her; people thought she was only capable or interested in talking about baby names and nurseries.</p>
<p>I think JD&#8217;s first comment gets it right about one thing: mothers are not *actually* treated well under patriarchy.  In fact, once a woman is in charge of a baby or two, patriarchy mommy-tracks her in many ways, and that&#8217;s not cool at all.<br />
So on one hand those of us without children see the way patriarchy scolds us and tells us we&#8217;re not doing our &#8220;jobs&#8221; as women and are worthless for not fulfilling our destinies, etc.  But it is only doing that because it knows that once we become mothers it can deny us promotions and pressure us to stay out of the public sphere and police our every waking moment even more strictly than it otherwise does!<br />
Wow I feel like I&#8217;ve had an epiphany.</p>
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