Comments on: A Quick Link That’s Worth Your Time

By: Renee

Renee — Thu, 07 May 2009 17:32:42 +0000

@bluebears I could not agree with your more on the Duggar family. I am particularly concerned for the daughters growing in that home. In the recent wedding of the oldest son, Michelle was really concerned that he knew daughter in law knew that she should subvert her will to her husbands. Clearly she is not teaching her daughters the value of female agency and autonomy.

By: PhDork

PhDork — Thu, 07 May 2009 04:28:20 +0000

JD, I truly believe that deep down, all fundies(which is not to say all evangelicals), right or left,are power-hungry woman-haters. Even some Buddhist sects are pretty narsty, believe it or not.

By: J.D.Regent

J.D.Regent — Thu, 07 May 2009 01:58:29 +0000

PhD I agree it is just another cult. A lot of them have had insane fertility fetishes, even left wing religious movements like the Children of God and the People’s Temple were really into baby making, and they were anti patriarchal in other ways or at least in theory. But I guess at bottom every religion is a fertility cult. Except maybe Buddhism I guess.

By: rodriguez

rodriguez — Thu, 07 May 2009 00:46:38 +0000

@sarah, becky
I read the war one, and he had some useful insights there, but a really strong undercurrent of anti-woman thinking.

So I picked up the other one. It’s vile. His thesis is that the rest hates the west because we have abandoned patriarchy. I think he may be influencing the Catholic branch of this Quiverfull stuff, and maybe others.

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I’d rather it not said about me, as I say about this type of folks: they never think about the other side’s arguments.

Sometimes it’s cheery, when I see someone making full-on bullshit arguments in support of the other side, as Pearse does.

By: Blondegrlz

Blondegrlz — Wed, 06 May 2009 23:45:42 +0000

Suddenly the Duggar’s cute “oh-look-at-Jesus-riding-the-dinosaur” antics don’t seem so amusing.

But I’m with the Harpies above who say there’s no way the Quiverfull movement could ever accomplish their mission. My husband’s family attended a church that was strongly patriarchal and his parents lived by the rule that women must submit to their husbands. Zero of their four kids have followed that example.

Also, if these Quiverfull families marry their kids off to each other they’re going to end up limiting their growth in just a generation or two. Well, that or get dangerously close to incest.

By: sarah.of.a.lesser.god

sarah.of.a.lesser.god — Wed, 06 May 2009 23:41:25 +0000

@rodriguez: I have not heard of him. But I am very impressed that you read not one but two of this guy’s books.

By: BeckySharper

BeckySharper — Wed, 06 May 2009 23:38:42 +0000

@rodriguez: My feeling on books like that is I can read the jacket copy and a bit of the book so that I’m informed about the general ideas. But I agree, the faceful of patriarchy is hard to handle and total immersion is painful, particularly when it is essentially hate speech for page after page.

To use a metaphor: I don’t have to put my whole body into a pot of boiling water to know it’s a bad idea. A burnt fingertip tells me all I need to know.

By: rodriguez

rodriguez — Wed, 06 May 2009 23:30:15 +0000

so I mention this only to ask, any harpies read these?

Sometimes I like to read what the other side is saying but it’s really really hard. I feel like I am dragging my eyes across the page.

By: rodriguez

rodriguez — Wed, 06 May 2009 23:28:30 +0000

This Quiverfull argument shares some points with the theologian Meic Pearse, who seems to sell his books mainly through Christian bookstores. He devotes many words to the falling birth rates of Europe. I just read two of his works, Why the Rest Hates the West, and The Gods of War. I was hoping for some insight, but instead I got a face full of patriarchy.

By: bluebears

bluebears — Wed, 06 May 2009 23:22:28 +0000

This is why I have nothing but disgust for media outlets that promote the Duggar family. The family is not cute and innocent its represents a vile philosophy that happily subjugates women.