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	<title>Comments on: Harpy Seminar: In Praise of Our Mamas</title>
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		<title>By: La Chica Lucy</title>
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		<dc:creator>La Chica Lucy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 02:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Way late to the party as usual (how DO you awesome women have the time to be so consistently, well, awesome??!!) Anyway, my mom is most certainly a feminist and will proudly tell you so, although I sort of doubt she would have described herself as such in the very early &#039;70s when she was a stay-at-home mom raising me, her only child (her and my father wanted 10!). 

Her mother, my Italian Catholic Nana, would NEVER describe herself as a &quot;woman&#039;s libber&quot; (I don&#039;t think she would&#039;ve even known what to do w/ the F-word, God rest her soul). BUT she was crazy adamant about women having control over their reproductive systems. &quot;Who is some old man in a funny hat in Rome to tell ME how many children to have?!&quot; She stopped going to church over this issue (she was one of 11 children of an immigrant couple, and she also often railed against the preferential treatment her brothers received as she was growing up). She was an incredible woman.

My dad also considers himself a feminist (and although he often FAILS, he does try). He was raised by exceptionally strong women (his mom and grandmother) after his father left the family and (here&#039;s why he sort of fails at feminism) he finds women to be superior to men. He&#039;s cute, and his mother is one of the most incredible women I&#039;ve ever known, as is his little sister, my Aunt, a fierce feminist whose raised two pretty cool young men.

I wasn&#039;t really able to fully articulate my personal feminism until college, but it was there, lurking in the background, my whole life, thanks to the brave women who raised me.

Happy Mother&#039;s Day to all the Harpy Mommies out there and thanks for sharing on this great post!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way late to the party as usual (how DO you awesome women have the time to be so consistently, well, awesome??!!) Anyway, my mom is most certainly a feminist and will proudly tell you so, although I sort of doubt she would have described herself as such in the very early &#8217;70s when she was a stay-at-home mom raising me, her only child (her and my father wanted 10!). </p>
<p>Her mother, my Italian Catholic Nana, would NEVER describe herself as a &#8220;woman&#8217;s libber&#8221; (I don&#8217;t think she would&#8217;ve even known what to do w/ the F-word, God rest her soul). BUT she was crazy adamant about women having control over their reproductive systems. &#8220;Who is some old man in a funny hat in Rome to tell ME how many children to have?!&#8221; She stopped going to church over this issue (she was one of 11 children of an immigrant couple, and she also often railed against the preferential treatment her brothers received as she was growing up). She was an incredible woman.</p>
<p>My dad also considers himself a feminist (and although he often FAILS, he does try). He was raised by exceptionally strong women (his mom and grandmother) after his father left the family and (here&#8217;s why he sort of fails at feminism) he finds women to be superior to men. He&#8217;s cute, and his mother is one of the most incredible women I&#8217;ve ever known, as is his little sister, my Aunt, a fierce feminist whose raised two pretty cool young men.</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t really able to fully articulate my personal feminism until college, but it was there, lurking in the background, my whole life, thanks to the brave women who raised me.</p>
<p>Happy Mother&#8217;s Day to all the Harpy Mommies out there and thanks for sharing on this great post!</p>
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		<title>By: We Don&#8217;t Need a New June Cleaver - The Pursuit of Harpyness</title>
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		<dc:creator>We Don&#8217;t Need a New June Cleaver - The Pursuit of Harpyness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 18:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] depictions of motherhood: ur doin it rong. via diana-b. @ flickr As we&#8217;ve already noted here on Harpyness, Mother&#8217;s Day is upon us. Naturally, this is giving people license to [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: emilyanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>emilyanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 17:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[between me and my sister and brother. God my typing is shit today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>between me and my sister and brother. God my typing is shit today.</p>
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		<title>By: emilyanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>emilyanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 17:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[that should be no differences were made between me and my sister. Also my mum does call herself a feminist. Probably the only thing in which she is traditional is cooking - I don&#039;t think my father has cooked a meal that isn&#039;t breakfast in 35 years of marriage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that should be no differences were made between me and my sister. Also my mum does call herself a feminist. Probably the only thing in which she is traditional is cooking &#8211; I don&#8217;t think my father has cooked a meal that isn&#8217;t breakfast in 35 years of marriage.</p>
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		<title>By: emilyanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>emilyanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 17:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My mother was one of only six women to graduate as a doctor at a time when women were not encouraged to go into medicine. She worked all my life (my dad recently admitted he wouldn&#039;t have understood a woman who didn&#039;t want to work interestingly) and is a firm believer in women&#039;s rights - as a doctor she has pushed for contraception and abortion rights in addition to working for needle exchanges and in AIDs research. 

Growing up we followed her example rather than having open discussions about feminism and certainly differences were made between me, my sister and my brother, we were all expected to go to college and to get good jobs, we were all treated the same.

That said my mum recently said she felt she should have talked to me more about what it meant to be a feminist growing up, possibly she should but we have great conversations now and she set a fine example in my opinion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mother was one of only six women to graduate as a doctor at a time when women were not encouraged to go into medicine. She worked all my life (my dad recently admitted he wouldn&#8217;t have understood a woman who didn&#8217;t want to work interestingly) and is a firm believer in women&#8217;s rights &#8211; as a doctor she has pushed for contraception and abortion rights in addition to working for needle exchanges and in AIDs research. </p>
<p>Growing up we followed her example rather than having open discussions about feminism and certainly differences were made between me, my sister and my brother, we were all expected to go to college and to get good jobs, we were all treated the same.</p>
<p>That said my mum recently said she felt she should have talked to me more about what it meant to be a feminist growing up, possibly she should but we have great conversations now and she set a fine example in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: kithkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>kithkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 14:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mom is my feminist hero, and since I&#039;ve become more radical in the last few years I&#039;ve heard more and more righteous stories. She&#039;s never been physically around as much as some moms, I think, but that&#039;s because she&#039;s been working her ass off as a chemical engineer for 30 years and has made her way to very high powered positions in big companies. When I was in high school (read: too old for after school day care programs), mom and dad didn&#039;t want to leave us home alone so Dad quit and started consulting from home (which means he&#039;s been semi retired for about a decade). Mom? Would never. She loves her job and takes pride in it and taught us to never take shit from anyone who talked down to us for being women (I have two little sisters). Once I said I was bad at math (untrue, I was just frustrated with AP calculus and it was a bit of high school hyperbole) and she flew off the handle.

Despite being in a weird Catholic place with regard to sex and the body, she was pretty open with me during major points in puberty and took me to the doctor when I started having sex so I could get on the pill. 

There are some things I see as contradictions about my mom&#039;s feminism, but she&#039;d hardly be human if she didn&#039;t have contradictions. Politically, I don&#039;t get her at all. Maybe because she and Dad are from the Reagan generation, or they made it to the minor leagues from the working class, or because it&#039;s fashionable in the town where they live, but they&#039;re really active in the local GOP. This is a cause of conflict for Dad (who gets pouty when I complain about the patriarchy), but if it bothers Mom then I haven&#039;t heard about it. 

I know Mom has had to sacrifice a lot for her feminism; she is a total black sheep in both her and especially in Dad&#039;s family. She hasn&#039;t had a lot of enduring friendships, which might help to explain why I have very few friends--I never had a real model for what a woman&#039;s long term friendship with another woman looked like until I was already a teenager--and I think that&#039;s because there are many things which a feminist simply cannot abide that are ubiquitous in so many social contexts. She and I are closer now than ever. That may have to do with the fact that I&#039;m living away now, but it is also I think that she sees me as an ally lately. That makes me immeasurably proud.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mom is my feminist hero, and since I&#8217;ve become more radical in the last few years I&#8217;ve heard more and more righteous stories. She&#8217;s never been physically around as much as some moms, I think, but that&#8217;s because she&#8217;s been working her ass off as a chemical engineer for 30 years and has made her way to very high powered positions in big companies. When I was in high school (read: too old for after school day care programs), mom and dad didn&#8217;t want to leave us home alone so Dad quit and started consulting from home (which means he&#8217;s been semi retired for about a decade). Mom? Would never. She loves her job and takes pride in it and taught us to never take shit from anyone who talked down to us for being women (I have two little sisters). Once I said I was bad at math (untrue, I was just frustrated with AP calculus and it was a bit of high school hyperbole) and she flew off the handle.</p>
<p>Despite being in a weird Catholic place with regard to sex and the body, she was pretty open with me during major points in puberty and took me to the doctor when I started having sex so I could get on the pill. </p>
<p>There are some things I see as contradictions about my mom&#8217;s feminism, but she&#8217;d hardly be human if she didn&#8217;t have contradictions. Politically, I don&#8217;t get her at all. Maybe because she and Dad are from the Reagan generation, or they made it to the minor leagues from the working class, or because it&#8217;s fashionable in the town where they live, but they&#8217;re really active in the local GOP. This is a cause of conflict for Dad (who gets pouty when I complain about the patriarchy), but if it bothers Mom then I haven&#8217;t heard about it. </p>
<p>I know Mom has had to sacrifice a lot for her feminism; she is a total black sheep in both her and especially in Dad&#8217;s family. She hasn&#8217;t had a lot of enduring friendships, which might help to explain why I have very few friends&#8211;I never had a real model for what a woman&#8217;s long term friendship with another woman looked like until I was already a teenager&#8211;and I think that&#8217;s because there are many things which a feminist simply cannot abide that are ubiquitous in so many social contexts. She and I are closer now than ever. That may have to do with the fact that I&#8217;m living away now, but it is also I think that she sees me as an ally lately. That makes me immeasurably proud.</p>
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		<title>By: peenerbambina</title>
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		<dc:creator>peenerbambina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 12:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My mother is what I would call a feminist although like some have said already I don&#039;t know if she would call herself one. She left a small village in Ireland in the 60&#039;s where the only options available were teaching or joining the convent or a combination of the two. She moved to London, qualified as a child protection social worker all off her own finance and has worked like a trojan ever since. She got a mortgage on her own (no mean feat in the 60&#039;s), did everything by herself. After her marriage to my dad dissolved she raised me and my brother completely alone and has done a magnificent job. I could not even begin to list her fantastic qualities, but she has always been there for me, my brother and all of my friends most of whom have lived with my ma at some point or another, usually when their own marriages broke down. When I confessed to her as a scared 21 year old that I was pregnant and I was planning to have a termination she said (with real feeling) &quot;You poor, poor thing&quot; and was such a support to me in every way. Yes, she does have a few Irish mum traits. My brother will always be able to get away with stuff that would result in the snort heard around the world if I tried it. But she has made me a very strong, analytical person and is a source of inspiration to me every day. This has turned into a bit of a love letter now, but hey ho. I adore my ma.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mother is what I would call a feminist although like some have said already I don&#8217;t know if she would call herself one. She left a small village in Ireland in the 60&#8242;s where the only options available were teaching or joining the convent or a combination of the two. She moved to London, qualified as a child protection social worker all off her own finance and has worked like a trojan ever since. She got a mortgage on her own (no mean feat in the 60&#8242;s), did everything by herself. After her marriage to my dad dissolved she raised me and my brother completely alone and has done a magnificent job. I could not even begin to list her fantastic qualities, but she has always been there for me, my brother and all of my friends most of whom have lived with my ma at some point or another, usually when their own marriages broke down. When I confessed to her as a scared 21 year old that I was pregnant and I was planning to have a termination she said (with real feeling) &#8220;You poor, poor thing&#8221; and was such a support to me in every way. Yes, she does have a few Irish mum traits. My brother will always be able to get away with stuff that would result in the snort heard around the world if I tried it. But she has made me a very strong, analytical person and is a source of inspiration to me every day. This has turned into a bit of a love letter now, but hey ho. I adore my ma.</p>
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		<title>By: KMars</title>
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		<dc:creator>KMars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 00:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My mother is a wonderfully encouraging parent and has set a good example of not putting up with bullshit, supporting herself financially, and speaking her mind.  However, though she supports some &quot;women&#039;s issues&quot; (legal abortion, equal pay, etc.), I don&#039;t think she would consider herself a feminist.  My mother is very dependent on men in the sense that she measures her worth based on the men she has relationships with, and therefore feels worthless when she is single.  I&#039;ve been happily single all 18 years of my life, and I am so independent that it&#039;s really hard for me to understand where she&#039;s coming from.  In high school, she pressured me to date all the time, but she&#039;s eased up a lot.  My mom also refuses to believe that she is capable of doing more &quot;masculine&quot; chores, like working with computers or fixing things around the house.  She&#039;s very smart, and could figure these things out if she tried, but she would rather have a man come do them. (I usually end up going &quot;MOM I CAN DO IT!&quot;)

It&#039;s actually my dad, who is DEFINITELY not a feminist, who has helped me to be such a strong young woman.  I honestly believe that my dad has treated me almost exactly as he would have treated a son growing up, and I think that&#039;s awesome.  He shared his interests and talents with me, regardless of our different genders.  He tried to get me interested in sports, cars, and rock and roll.  He taught me how to change a tire and play the guitar.  He engaged me in intellectual conversations.  My dad is probably the reason I am so independent and well-rounded, and the way he has treated me my whole life might be the reason I am a feminist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mother is a wonderfully encouraging parent and has set a good example of not putting up with bullshit, supporting herself financially, and speaking her mind.  However, though she supports some &#8220;women&#8217;s issues&#8221; (legal abortion, equal pay, etc.), I don&#8217;t think she would consider herself a feminist.  My mother is very dependent on men in the sense that she measures her worth based on the men she has relationships with, and therefore feels worthless when she is single.  I&#8217;ve been happily single all 18 years of my life, and I am so independent that it&#8217;s really hard for me to understand where she&#8217;s coming from.  In high school, she pressured me to date all the time, but she&#8217;s eased up a lot.  My mom also refuses to believe that she is capable of doing more &#8220;masculine&#8221; chores, like working with computers or fixing things around the house.  She&#8217;s very smart, and could figure these things out if she tried, but she would rather have a man come do them. (I usually end up going &#8220;MOM I CAN DO IT!&#8221;)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s actually my dad, who is DEFINITELY not a feminist, who has helped me to be such a strong young woman.  I honestly believe that my dad has treated me almost exactly as he would have treated a son growing up, and I think that&#8217;s awesome.  He shared his interests and talents with me, regardless of our different genders.  He tried to get me interested in sports, cars, and rock and roll.  He taught me how to change a tire and play the guitar.  He engaged me in intellectual conversations.  My dad is probably the reason I am so independent and well-rounded, and the way he has treated me my whole life might be the reason I am a feminist.</p>
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		<title>By: May</title>
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		<dc:creator>May</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 23:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a child, I really respected my mother&#039;s feminism, and became a strident feminist at a very, very young age. She never let me dress really girly (even though I REALLY wanted to) and never even taught me how to put on makeup, because she doesn&#039;t know how. 

My siblings and I never really grew up with chores. If we do chores, we do them as a family.

But I don&#039;t know, she just has all these inconsistencies about the way she feels about gender (ex: she and my dad go to the gay parade every year, yet she tells the kids she takes care of that boys shouldn&#039;t wear nail polish). And it&#039;s assumed that all of my siblings and I should have babies, since my mom is obsessed with babies. Also, since my parents immigrated to the US 12 years ago, she&#039;s become an unfulfilled housewife type. This happens to a lot of women I know who move to another country because of their husband&#039;s career and get stuck there. Not feminist.

So yeah, who knows? Overall, I&#039;m a feminist because of her, but in recent years, my understanding of feminism has become more complicated, and she has come off her pedestal. This is the same process I went through with the Spice Girls.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a child, I really respected my mother&#8217;s feminism, and became a strident feminist at a very, very young age. She never let me dress really girly (even though I REALLY wanted to) and never even taught me how to put on makeup, because she doesn&#8217;t know how. </p>
<p>My siblings and I never really grew up with chores. If we do chores, we do them as a family.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t know, she just has all these inconsistencies about the way she feels about gender (ex: she and my dad go to the gay parade every year, yet she tells the kids she takes care of that boys shouldn&#8217;t wear nail polish). And it&#8217;s assumed that all of my siblings and I should have babies, since my mom is obsessed with babies. Also, since my parents immigrated to the US 12 years ago, she&#8217;s become an unfulfilled housewife type. This happens to a lot of women I know who move to another country because of their husband&#8217;s career and get stuck there. Not feminist.</p>
<p>So yeah, who knows? Overall, I&#8217;m a feminist because of her, but in recent years, my understanding of feminism has become more complicated, and she has come off her pedestal. This is the same process I went through with the Spice Girls.</p>
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		<title>By: Endora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Endora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 22:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have no idea if my mother would identify as a feminist.  She might be just mixed-up enough to do it, although a lot of her actions, from my point of view, aren&#039;t feminist at all.

She&#039;s worked her whole life, but has been divorced for most of that time, and now openly says she wants a rich man who can take care of her and that she wishes she had married rich like her sisters.  And tells me I should get a wealthy dude.

She slapped a People magazine about teen pregnancy down on the table when I was 9 and told me &quot;THAT&#039;s why you don&#039;t have sex until marriage&quot;.  I think that was (is) at the root of a lot of deep-seated insecurities and fears I have about sex, although I am working on them.

And she is constantly bemoaning the fact that I don&#039;t take enough of an interest in my appearance and am too bookish.  Subtext: How Do You Expect to Catch a Man.

In short: we are polar opposites.  It&#039;s infuriating.  But I am trying to understand that she is a product of a specific (pretty messed up) background and to have compassion about it, but it really makes my life difficult sometimes because I really get the feeling that she has no understanding for the kind of person I want to be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea if my mother would identify as a feminist.  She might be just mixed-up enough to do it, although a lot of her actions, from my point of view, aren&#8217;t feminist at all.</p>
<p>She&#8217;s worked her whole life, but has been divorced for most of that time, and now openly says she wants a rich man who can take care of her and that she wishes she had married rich like her sisters.  And tells me I should get a wealthy dude.</p>
<p>She slapped a People magazine about teen pregnancy down on the table when I was 9 and told me &#8220;THAT&#8217;s why you don&#8217;t have sex until marriage&#8221;.  I think that was (is) at the root of a lot of deep-seated insecurities and fears I have about sex, although I am working on them.</p>
<p>And she is constantly bemoaning the fact that I don&#8217;t take enough of an interest in my appearance and am too bookish.  Subtext: How Do You Expect to Catch a Man.</p>
<p>In short: we are polar opposites.  It&#8217;s infuriating.  But I am trying to understand that she is a product of a specific (pretty messed up) background and to have compassion about it, but it really makes my life difficult sometimes because I really get the feeling that she has no understanding for the kind of person I want to be.</p>
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