Comments on: That’s Quite the Glass House You’ve Got There

By: Hilary Clare

Hilary Clare — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:04:12 +0000

It CONFOUNDS me – how they cannot see the BLATANT hypocrisy of their actions & words….
isnt it true that the bible more or less says..
“ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE”
it is NOT up to ANY human to judge – or play “god”

also what about the bible passage – and i’m paraphrasing here – …
“don’t point out the tiny splinter in your neighbors eye – when there is a full 4×4 plank in your own eye homie!”

so what if you think these people are “sinning” – let god sort em out…
mind your own soul.

*God must REEEALY like DUMB PEOPLE – Cause he made SO MANY of them!!!*

By: Miss Pinot

Miss Pinot — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:49:52 +0000

J.D.Regent:
I have actually had a conversation with a nominally pro-choice man who told me that he would want a woman pregnant with HIS child to not have an abortion, but have the baby and give the child to him. To him, abortion of HIS child was not an option, but anyone else’s possible child–pfft, go right ahead! I pointed out the fact that the months of pregnancy had nothing to do with him, he wasn’t the one to go through being an incubator and the pain and indignity of a baby being born, or the social stigma of ‘abandoning’ your child; so the ultimate choice rests with the woman, always. His voice should have some weight, but it will not and never should be the deciding factor.

He didn’t get it. The right wing anti-choicers don’t get the fact that abortion has NOTHING to do with the males spouting the hate-filled retoric, but the females left with the decision to be or not to be pregnant, and possibly a mother.

By: lalaland13

lalaland13 — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:28:44 +0000

The thing I’ve been thinking about the last couple of days is how the anti-abortion rights (as AP style calls them) people don’t seem to get that these women are not whores who decided at 25 weeks that they didn’t want a kid. If Bill O’Reilly is really saying women get late-term abortions out of “depression,” then I will slap him personally.

Of course, some people don’t care if the kid has a 10 percent chance of living more than five minutes after birth, to be followed by countless surgeries. They’ll say “Oh but doctors are wrong sometimes! God can work miracles!” Yes, I have actually seen something very similar to that on a local message board. Sorry, person, but I’m going with medical probabilities over your God’s miracles.

By: bb

bb — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:02:01 +0000

This was really well written, and the comments are really thought-provoking as well. I was at Dr Tiller’s vigil in Union Squ last night, and I felt like I was back in college again, lighting a Take Back the Night candle or something. One of the speakers mentioned how, when the news broke on Sunday, she heard it on her tv and thought “Oh, I didn’t know there was a retrospective on the choice movement on tv tonight!” because it didn’t occur to her that this was still a danger. That in 2009 people were still being gunned down for performing legal medical procedures.

I am very disheartened by Obama’s weak response (but that’s no surprise, I’m not a big fan of his) and the anti choice response has been, almost ironically, just as I predicted it would be. “We’re not responsible…but we agree with what happened…but don’t blame us…but he did what we all think should happen anyway…” etc etc etc.

It’s just all so tiring.

By: J.D.Regent

J.D.Regent — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:17:31 +0000

yeah that makes sense, PS.

Miss Pinot, it just makes it so clear to me that the hard line anti choice attitude is all about (broken record time) control of women’s bodies. I think that those weeks or months of pregnancy drive the patriarchy insane — the life of “their” offspring is completely within the woman, subject only to her will (except when she gets abused or murdered as pregnant women are wont to do). They can’t control it! It’s hidden from them! It has nothing to do with them! They just can’t stand it.

By: Miss Pinot

Miss Pinot — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:29:14 +0000

ANTI-choice is about denying women the basic right and responsibility to think of themselves as PEOPLE, and not just vessels for future possible human life. POSSIBLE, because not every pregnancy is viable, not every embryo is going to develop into a fully healthy human being, thus it’s statistically impossible to view every embryo as a ‘preborn’ human. It’s this twisted logic that makes me want to scream. It makes no sense to defend so fiercely the ‘preborn”s rights, but deny society’s responsibility to care for the women and children that result in denying the right and responsibility to choose or not to choose motherhood from women. The outcry denying responsibility for Dr. Tiller’s murder is right on par with the anti-choice outcry denying responsibility for caring for any child after it’s born. It’s disgusting.

By: Pilgrim Soul

Pilgrim Soul — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:28:23 +0000

Oh sure, JD. Actually I hold all social movements to a pacifist standard myself for lots of reasons I won’t get into here, but otherwise I agree with your statement. I don’t see the anti-choicers standing between Iraqis and bombs, for example. Their objection to what they deem violence is wholly local and specific. But I am just saying I don’t know enough about some of these people to say what Saletan says, that their condemnation of the murder betrays a bias WITHIN that local and specific context.

By: J.D.Regent

J.D.Regent — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:14:07 +0000

P.Soul, I understand that some people are pacifist, but I don’t think that one can hold up social movements to that ideal necessarily unless they purport to non violence exclusively themselves. With the anti-choice movement, they’re obviously trying to have it both ways. I’d respect them for being non violent and I might even respect them if they embraced the occasional use of violence (but I don’t in this case bc I disagree with the ideology obvs) but what I don’t respect is the cloying insistence on moral superiority, the supposed abhorrence of the violence of abortion when obviously they understand very well that violence can serve any cause, including their own.

By: Pilgrim Soul

Pilgrim Soul — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:03:09 +0000

Smileydragon, was not making that equivalency nor did I mean to imply it, no worries.

By: Preeti

Preeti — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:49:07 +0000

I’ve been reduced to a ragey monster who only spews expletives after this but I just wanted to say that this was awesome – well-written and so perfectly on point. I know you guys don’t want an echo chamber here but I really just wanted to say this. Thank you, thank you for writing this!