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	<title>Comments on: Gardasil: Not Just For Women Anymore</title>
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		<title>By: ceejeemcbeegee</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/06/05/gardasil-not-just-for-women-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-9602</link>
		<dc:creator>ceejeemcbeegee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 03:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BeckySharper, Oh yes, of course, because that&#039;s exactly what I meant... NOT.

Was commenting from my blackberry, got cut off.  To continue... 

Sorry but I&#039;m still in a &quot;wait and see&quot; mode in regards to this drug.  Current OTCs have been on the market for decades, with no major side effects.  However in recent years, it seems the FDA is most concerned with help Big Pharma sell drugs rather than making sure they are safe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BeckySharper, Oh yes, of course, because that&#8217;s exactly what I meant&#8230; NOT.</p>
<p>Was commenting from my blackberry, got cut off.  To continue&#8230; </p>
<p>Sorry but I&#8217;m still in a &#8220;wait and see&#8221; mode in regards to this drug.  Current OTCs have been on the market for decades, with no major side effects.  However in recent years, it seems the FDA is most concerned with help Big Pharma sell drugs rather than making sure they are safe.</p>
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		<title>By: Hana Maru</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hana Maru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The rate of young men who would actually get themselves vaccinated is probably lower, even, than the survey reports, as people tend to report themselves as nicer and more responsible than they are.  I don&#039;t think it&#039;s just college age guys, either.  I think the numbers would be similar for men of any age, and judging from comments at non-fem blogs, mothers of boys are far more concerned about their boys than their future partners.  That&#039;s just because men are socialized to advocate for themselves, while women are taught to take care of men.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rate of young men who would actually get themselves vaccinated is probably lower, even, than the survey reports, as people tend to report themselves as nicer and more responsible than they are.  I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s just college age guys, either.  I think the numbers would be similar for men of any age, and judging from comments at non-fem blogs, mothers of boys are far more concerned about their boys than their future partners.  That&#8217;s just because men are socialized to advocate for themselves, while women are taught to take care of men.</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/06/05/gardasil-not-just-for-women-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-9570</link>
		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Ceegee: If you really think the FDA is that untrustworthy, you shouldn&#039;t take any prescription or OTC drugs, use any medical devices (e.g. pacemakers or hip replacements) or receive any vaccines. All of them have been FDA approved.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ceegee: If you really think the FDA is that untrustworthy, you shouldn&#8217;t take any prescription or OTC drugs, use any medical devices (e.g. pacemakers or hip replacements) or receive any vaccines. All of them have been FDA approved.</p>
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		<title>By: ceejeemcbeegee</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/06/05/gardasil-not-just-for-women-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-9562</link>
		<dc:creator>ceejeemcbeegee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like many others here, I&#039;m not completely convinced that it should be given at all, much less made mandatory.  Not because I don&#039;t think young girls shouldn&#039;t be protected from cancer, but becausw the FDA is so gorram corrupt, I know they aprrove shit they know they have no business approving.

Sor]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like many others here, I&#8217;m not completely convinced that it should be given at all, much less made mandatory.  Not because I don&#8217;t think young girls shouldn&#8217;t be protected from cancer, but becausw the FDA is so gorram corrupt, I know they aprrove shit they know they have no business approving.</p>
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		<title>By: Maritsa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maritsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@SkiptomyLou - I am sooo with you on the vaccine stuff. I recommended our pediatrician, who is pro-vaccine, to a friend. Later she said &quot;Someone in my prenatal yoga class said you can&#039;t go to him if you don&#039;t vaccinate!!&quot; Um, yeah. He has a responsibility to his patients to do what is best AND he has a responsibility to his patients to not have hordes of unvaccinated kids running around his waiting room. I can&#039;t believe the anti-vaccine people have gotten so much traction. 

People really do live in bubbles, don&#039;t they? Or maybe I am just f&#039;ed up, but I am scared shitless of cancer (killed my dad too young, as well as his mother, even younger) and will do anything to avoid it. I don&#039;t think there&#039;s much I can do to help others prevent it, but here&#039;s one thing I can do. 

@Becky - maybe the oral cancer angle would encourage some, but I still think a lot of people will think &quot;Ew, my kid&#039;s never having oral sex!!&quot; But it might encourage some guys to get it? I don&#039;t know. 

Oral cancers are bad news. My dad died of head and neck cancer that started on his tongue. It was horrific. It can affect your eating, breathing, and speech. By the end my dad could not talk or eat, he had a trach and a G-tube.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@SkiptomyLou &#8211; I am sooo with you on the vaccine stuff. I recommended our pediatrician, who is pro-vaccine, to a friend. Later she said &#8220;Someone in my prenatal yoga class said you can&#8217;t go to him if you don&#8217;t vaccinate!!&#8221; Um, yeah. He has a responsibility to his patients to do what is best AND he has a responsibility to his patients to not have hordes of unvaccinated kids running around his waiting room. I can&#8217;t believe the anti-vaccine people have gotten so much traction. </p>
<p>People really do live in bubbles, don&#8217;t they? Or maybe I am just f&#8217;ed up, but I am scared shitless of cancer (killed my dad too young, as well as his mother, even younger) and will do anything to avoid it. I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s much I can do to help others prevent it, but here&#8217;s one thing I can do. </p>
<p>@Becky &#8211; maybe the oral cancer angle would encourage some, but I still think a lot of people will think &#8220;Ew, my kid&#8217;s never having oral sex!!&#8221; But it might encourage some guys to get it? I don&#8217;t know. </p>
<p>Oral cancers are bad news. My dad died of head and neck cancer that started on his tongue. It was horrific. It can affect your eating, breathing, and speech. By the end my dad could not talk or eat, he had a trach and a G-tube.</p>
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		<title>By: Poppy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Poppy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sorry if someone mentioned this already, as I just skimmed comments (as I really should be working at the moment), but I had a discussion about this with my new gyno, she&#039;s actually a women&#039;s health nurse practitioner, not a doctor, but she&#039;s more honest, thorough, and emotionally-invested in me than any doctor I&#039;ve seen in my 29 years.  Anyway, she initially recommended I get the vaccine, even though I was 28 at the time, and had had a decent number of partners.  It turned out, as a result of the pap during that same exam, that I have HPV, and am now on an every 6-month pap schedule to make sure abnormal doesn&#039;t become cancer.  Scary, but also common.

Anyway, she told me that vaccine makers added the strains that prevent warts specifically to get men to want the vaccine.  Warts have no health implications, but have serious social/mental/sex-life implications, and vaccine-makers knew they stood a better chance appealing to men&#039;s vanity then to their concern about their female sex partners&#039; risk of cancer. Sad, but apparently true.

Everyone out there who hasn&#039;t had the vaccine and is eligible for it and can afford it should get it.  Cancer-watch is no fun.  Every-six-month paps are really no fun.  Colposcopies (spelling) suck.  And these can be avoided almost entirely with the vaccine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry if someone mentioned this already, as I just skimmed comments (as I really should be working at the moment), but I had a discussion about this with my new gyno, she&#8217;s actually a women&#8217;s health nurse practitioner, not a doctor, but she&#8217;s more honest, thorough, and emotionally-invested in me than any doctor I&#8217;ve seen in my 29 years.  Anyway, she initially recommended I get the vaccine, even though I was 28 at the time, and had had a decent number of partners.  It turned out, as a result of the pap during that same exam, that I have HPV, and am now on an every 6-month pap schedule to make sure abnormal doesn&#8217;t become cancer.  Scary, but also common.</p>
<p>Anyway, she told me that vaccine makers added the strains that prevent warts specifically to get men to want the vaccine.  Warts have no health implications, but have serious social/mental/sex-life implications, and vaccine-makers knew they stood a better chance appealing to men&#8217;s vanity then to their concern about their female sex partners&#8217; risk of cancer. Sad, but apparently true.</p>
<p>Everyone out there who hasn&#8217;t had the vaccine and is eligible for it and can afford it should get it.  Cancer-watch is no fun.  Every-six-month paps are really no fun.  Colposcopies (spelling) suck.  And these can be avoided almost entirely with the vaccine.</p>
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		<title>By: x. trapnel</title>
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		<dc:creator>x. trapnel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On teh menz thing: the current system of services and expectations has a long long LONG way to go before we get to the point of expecting guys to actually endure some bother for the sake of not spreading HPV. Awhile back I had a scare when it seemed like two recent partners had been diagnosed w/ HPV around the same time; it seemed pretty likely I had it, too, so I wanted confirmation/advice/etc. The student health center doctor basically said there wasn&#039;t a test available for men, and that I shouldn&#039;t worry about it. End of story.

Bah. I agree that cost is a huge issue here--it&#039;s just not currently priced at a mass-vaccination level--but health providers certainly aren&#039;t helping encourage responsibility.

On the other hand, I *can* understand concern over walking the line between encouraging concern &amp; responsibility versus further stigmatizing an already over-stigmatized condition. Any time you have such a wide gap between incidence and awareness, especially with an STD, this is a real worry...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On teh menz thing: the current system of services and expectations has a long long LONG way to go before we get to the point of expecting guys to actually endure some bother for the sake of not spreading HPV. Awhile back I had a scare when it seemed like two recent partners had been diagnosed w/ HPV around the same time; it seemed pretty likely I had it, too, so I wanted confirmation/advice/etc. The student health center doctor basically said there wasn&#8217;t a test available for men, and that I shouldn&#8217;t worry about it. End of story.</p>
<p>Bah. I agree that cost is a huge issue here&#8211;it&#8217;s just not currently priced at a mass-vaccination level&#8211;but health providers certainly aren&#8217;t helping encourage responsibility.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I *can* understand concern over walking the line between encouraging concern &amp; responsibility versus further stigmatizing an already over-stigmatized condition. Any time you have such a wide gap between incidence and awareness, especially with an STD, this is a real worry&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The one other thing I didn&#039;t mention in the post, ladies, is that there&#039;s some pretty strong evidence now that certain forms of oral cancer are linked to HPV.  Which is not surprising when you think about it (and I do, as the penis that gave me HPV definitely went into my  mouth more than a few times). 

When more evidence of a solid link between oral cancer and HPV comes out, maybe that would encourage universal vaccination?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one other thing I didn&#8217;t mention in the post, ladies, is that there&#8217;s some pretty strong evidence now that certain forms of oral cancer are linked to HPV.  Which is not surprising when you think about it (and I do, as the penis that gave me HPV definitely went into my  mouth more than a few times). </p>
<p>When more evidence of a solid link between oral cancer and HPV comes out, maybe that would encourage universal vaccination?</p>
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		<title>By: joytulip</title>
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		<dc:creator>joytulip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They need to market this to mothers, not just men. It&#039;s much easier to convince mothers to protect everyone&#039;s children by having their sons vaccinated than convincing men to protect their partners. Assuming the vaccine&#039;s effectiveness and safety prove out, I&#039;ll have my son vaccinated when the time comes. 

Also, re: circumcision, it&#039;s not a medically-based decision. It&#039;s cultural practice, and it&#039;s not cool in my opinion. I&#039;m anti-genital cutting for female, male, &amp; intersex. No one should make those decisions for someone else.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They need to market this to mothers, not just men. It&#8217;s much easier to convince mothers to protect everyone&#8217;s children by having their sons vaccinated than convincing men to protect their partners. Assuming the vaccine&#8217;s effectiveness and safety prove out, I&#8217;ll have my son vaccinated when the time comes. </p>
<p>Also, re: circumcision, it&#8217;s not a medically-based decision. It&#8217;s cultural practice, and it&#8217;s not cool in my opinion. I&#8217;m anti-genital cutting for female, male, &amp; intersex. No one should make those decisions for someone else.</p>
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		<title>By: SkipToMyLou</title>
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		<dc:creator>SkipToMyLou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Becky I could kiss you on the mouth for being so unapologetically pro-vaccine. I have a toddler and the amount of vaccine backlash these days unbefuckinglievable. 

And Marista,- &lt;i&gt;I can’t understand why any parent wouldn’t want to protect someone else’s child from CANCER. So your kid wouldn’t get sick - so what&lt;/i&gt; - it&#039;s becuase they have magical middle-class powers that prevent them from being a public health menace with their frathouse STDs and their unvaccinated measles, unlike, say, the child in the public housing down the block with her state-funded healthcare who&#039;s clearly a scourge on the neighbourhood.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Becky I could kiss you on the mouth for being so unapologetically pro-vaccine. I have a toddler and the amount of vaccine backlash these days unbefuckinglievable. </p>
<p>And Marista,- <i>I can’t understand why any parent wouldn’t want to protect someone else’s child from CANCER. So your kid wouldn’t get sick &#8211; so what</i> &#8211; it&#8217;s becuase they have magical middle-class powers that prevent them from being a public health menace with their frathouse STDs and their unvaccinated measles, unlike, say, the child in the public housing down the block with her state-funded healthcare who&#8217;s clearly a scourge on the neighbourhood.</p>
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