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	<title>Comments on: Sisters Aren&#8217;t Allowed to Do It for Themselves</title>
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		<title>By: J.D.Regent</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/07/03/sisters-arent-allowed-to-do-it-for-themselves/comment-page-1/#comment-11059</link>
		<dc:creator>J.D.Regent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 02:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah, to me one of the beautiful things about belonging to a religion that has saints is that in times when my own mind can&#039;t be trusted, or I don&#039;t know where I am, I just turn to their lives, their struggles and doubt, and am inspired to be patient with my own path.  If I only look to divine persons for inspiration it&#039;s pretty easy to get discouraged.  I love the messy realities of holy people so much more.  After all as some wise man said, it doesn&#039;t take an angel to be a saint.

Not that all nuns are saints.  I&#039;m just saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah, to me one of the beautiful things about belonging to a religion that has saints is that in times when my own mind can&#8217;t be trusted, or I don&#8217;t know where I am, I just turn to their lives, their struggles and doubt, and am inspired to be patient with my own path.  If I only look to divine persons for inspiration it&#8217;s pretty easy to get discouraged.  I love the messy realities of holy people so much more.  After all as some wise man said, it doesn&#8217;t take an angel to be a saint.</p>
<p>Not that all nuns are saints.  I&#8217;m just saying.</p>
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		<title>By: sarah.of.a.lesser.god</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/07/03/sisters-arent-allowed-to-do-it-for-themselves/comment-page-1/#comment-11038</link>
		<dc:creator>sarah.of.a.lesser.god</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@x. trapnel: Oh yeah, there is (unfortunately) a long trail of precedent for this.  And Benedict XIV is one of the most rigid-minded Popes in the past hundred years, with echoes back to Pius XII.

@J.D. You&#039;re too kind.  I love writing about religion.  My own spiritual views are a bit in flux right now, and covering women of faith is definitely something that I find to be intellectually challenging in the best way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@x. trapnel: Oh yeah, there is (unfortunately) a long trail of precedent for this.  And Benedict XIV is one of the most rigid-minded Popes in the past hundred years, with echoes back to Pius XII.</p>
<p>@J.D. You&#8217;re too kind.  I love writing about religion.  My own spiritual views are a bit in flux right now, and covering women of faith is definitely something that I find to be intellectually challenging in the best way.</p>
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		<title>By: J.D.Regent</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/07/03/sisters-arent-allowed-to-do-it-for-themselves/comment-page-1/#comment-11037</link>
		<dc:creator>J.D.Regent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 14:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s so irritating that this Vatican, and even to a certain extent the last one, seems to have entirely given up on the unfinished goals of Vatican II.  Like all attempts at orthodoxy, this one picks and chooses which church teachings it deems worthy of enforcement.  

As x. trapnel points out, this is part of a much longer history, stretching back as early as the first century, of church efforts to control female religious life.  Many of the disciplined of course later being recognized as saints.  To be fair they also discipline radical male religious, but that doesn&#039;t erase the gendered aspect of what is happening here.  Though the investigator is a woman thank goodness, the male supremacist nature of the Vatican means this practice is inherently a sexist exercise in the male gaze and baldly patriarchal control of womens spiritual life.  It&#039;s sad that the Vatican and in particular Benedict can&#039;t see how deeply their institutional misogyny poisons and corrupts even legitimate uses of power.

Can I also just give a huge shout out to all the harpies; for a quartet of godless heathens you guys give great coverage and respect to religious women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s so irritating that this Vatican, and even to a certain extent the last one, seems to have entirely given up on the unfinished goals of Vatican II.  Like all attempts at orthodoxy, this one picks and chooses which church teachings it deems worthy of enforcement.  </p>
<p>As x. trapnel points out, this is part of a much longer history, stretching back as early as the first century, of church efforts to control female religious life.  Many of the disciplined of course later being recognized as saints.  To be fair they also discipline radical male religious, but that doesn&#8217;t erase the gendered aspect of what is happening here.  Though the investigator is a woman thank goodness, the male supremacist nature of the Vatican means this practice is inherently a sexist exercise in the male gaze and baldly patriarchal control of womens spiritual life.  It&#8217;s sad that the Vatican and in particular Benedict can&#8217;t see how deeply their institutional misogyny poisons and corrupts even legitimate uses of power.</p>
<p>Can I also just give a huge shout out to all the harpies; for a quartet of godless heathens you guys give great coverage and respect to religious women.</p>
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		<title>By: christina</title>
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		<dc:creator>christina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 14:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree - in my life (including 9 years of Catholic schooling), nuns have been the most accessible, warmhearted people in the Catholic hierarchy. It surprised me to see that the nun conducting this investigation is from the same order that my teachers in grade school and junior high were. 

Maybe it shouldn&#039;t have, since they were one of the few orders left who wore habits and a few of my teachers were vocally anti-choice, but I remember them as being very committed to calling out sexism in the media. The same nun who had us make luminaria for an anti-choice demonstration in our town square also decried the message of the movie Grease, which was experiencing a revival when I was in junior high in the late 1990s (the message being that girls should change for a boy so they can keep him by any means necessary). I don&#039;t know. It&#039;s a small example, but it wasn&#039;t rare. This upsets me more than I thought it would.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree &#8211; in my life (including 9 years of Catholic schooling), nuns have been the most accessible, warmhearted people in the Catholic hierarchy. It surprised me to see that the nun conducting this investigation is from the same order that my teachers in grade school and junior high were. </p>
<p>Maybe it shouldn&#8217;t have, since they were one of the few orders left who wore habits and a few of my teachers were vocally anti-choice, but I remember them as being very committed to calling out sexism in the media. The same nun who had us make luminaria for an anti-choice demonstration in our town square also decried the message of the movie Grease, which was experiencing a revival when I was in junior high in the late 1990s (the message being that girls should change for a boy so they can keep him by any means necessary). I don&#8217;t know. It&#8217;s a small example, but it wasn&#8217;t rare. This upsets me more than I thought it would.</p>
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		<title>By: x. trapnel</title>
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		<dc:creator>x. trapnel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 01:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to defend him, but I suspect this actually is rather consistent with his past focus on doctrinal conformity. IIRC, when he was head of the Inquisition, he made stamping out liberation-theology a big priority (and that was often male priests). But yeah - consistency in pursuit of iniquity is hardly a virtue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to defend him, but I suspect this actually is rather consistent with his past focus on doctrinal conformity. IIRC, when he was head of the Inquisition, he made stamping out liberation-theology a big priority (and that was often male priests). But yeah &#8211; consistency in pursuit of iniquity is hardly a virtue.</p>
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		<title>By: mischiefmanager</title>
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		<dc:creator>mischiefmanager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and I meant to observe that at the clinics at which I have escorted, rarely have I seen a nun, at least one in a habit.  But priests are a dime a dozen.  I&#039;m sure it&#039;s just a coincidence.  

And yeah, SOALG, if he&#039;s not sorry about the whole Nazi thing, he&#039;s not familiar with the concept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and I meant to observe that at the clinics at which I have escorted, rarely have I seen a nun, at least one in a habit.  But priests are a dime a dozen.  I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s just a coincidence.  </p>
<p>And yeah, SOALG, if he&#8217;s not sorry about the whole Nazi thing, he&#8217;s not familiar with the concept.</p>
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		<title>By: sarah.of.a.lesser.god</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/07/03/sisters-arent-allowed-to-do-it-for-themselves/comment-page-1/#comment-11022</link>
		<dc:creator>sarah.of.a.lesser.god</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Aftercancer: Thanks for the link!

@mischiefmanager: I confess I always liked the idea of being a cloistered nun as a child, but there was always that whole atheism thing standing in the way.  Also, my Jewish mother would probably be shocked into an early grave.

As for the Pope ruing the decision, Benedict doesn&#039;t seem like the kind of guy who has much use for regrets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Aftercancer: Thanks for the link!</p>
<p>@mischiefmanager: I confess I always liked the idea of being a cloistered nun as a child, but there was always that whole atheism thing standing in the way.  Also, my Jewish mother would probably be shocked into an early grave.</p>
<p>As for the Pope ruing the decision, Benedict doesn&#8217;t seem like the kind of guy who has much use for regrets.</p>
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		<title>By: Aftercancer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aftercancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops,  I wanted to post a link to their site and forgot. 

The Dominican sisters of Blauvelt

http://www.opblauvelt.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops,  I wanted to post a link to their site and forgot. </p>
<p>The Dominican sisters of Blauvelt</p>
<p><a href="http://www.opblauvelt.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.opblauvelt.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Aftercancer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aftercancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My mother had five aunts and four of them became nuns. I&#039;m glad they&#039;re all dead because this kind of bullshit would have killed them!

The were not cloistered but in fact were and continue to be remarkably involved in society.  The website for the convent has sections on social justice and caring for the earth for God&#039;s sake!  I wish that American catholics would form their own denomination and tell the pope to suck it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mother had five aunts and four of them became nuns. I&#8217;m glad they&#8217;re all dead because this kind of bullshit would have killed them!</p>
<p>The were not cloistered but in fact were and continue to be remarkably involved in society.  The website for the convent has sections on social justice and caring for the earth for God&#8217;s sake!  I wish that American catholics would form their own denomination and tell the pope to suck it!</p>
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		<title>By: DangerMouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>DangerMouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my gosh, they&#039;re going to scrutinize all ten of them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my gosh, they&#8217;re going to scrutinize all ten of them?</p>
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