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		<title>By: If You Liked It Then You Should Have Put a Raise On It: On Being Underpaid - The Pursuit of Harpyness</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/08/18/reader-request-in-praise-of-not-bitchy-bosses/comment-page-1/#comment-13884</link>
		<dc:creator>If You Liked It Then You Should Have Put a Raise On It: On Being Underpaid - The Pursuit of Harpyness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] week in the thread for my Best Boss Ever post commenter Plum-Pie noted that she and her sister had been discussing the issue of women in the [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Plum-Pie: Congrats on the new job! You and your sister are dead-on about women being socialized to be risk-averse and &quot;grateful.&quot; I&#039;m actually working on a post about that--I&#039;ll give you a shout-out for reading my mind!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Plum-Pie: Congrats on the new job! You and your sister are dead-on about women being socialized to be risk-averse and &#8220;grateful.&#8221; I&#8217;m actually working on a post about that&#8211;I&#8217;ll give you a shout-out for reading my mind!</p>
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		<title>By: Plum-Pie</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/08/18/reader-request-in-praise-of-not-bitchy-bosses/comment-page-1/#comment-13544</link>
		<dc:creator>Plum-Pie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That should be &#039;worker&#039;, not &#039;worked&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That should be &#8216;worker&#8217;, not &#8216;worked&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Plum-Pie</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/08/18/reader-request-in-praise-of-not-bitchy-bosses/comment-page-1/#comment-13542</link>
		<dc:creator>Plum-Pie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve never had one amazing female boss-mentor, but I&#039;ve had many good ones from whom I&#039;ve learnt a ton of useful stuff. 

My boss in my last-but-one job was great at saying no to people. She was also excellent at governance. My boss before that was great at delegating responsibility and developing her staff. My boss before that was great at negotiation.

I&#039;ve just (today!) left a job with a crappy male boss and was discussing this issue with my sister a couple of weeks back. Basically, we concluded, that as women are socialised to be risk averse and &#039;grateful&#039; (blech!) and not to ask for things unless they are 100% sure they deserve them (i.e. Women only apply for jobs where they can do EVERYTHING in the job description), the women applying for a job will often be better qualified than the men. Therefore the average female worked, at any level, is therefore better at their job than the average man. (Compounding this is the fact that women are held to a higher standard in the workplace, due to misogyny-based presumption of incompetence.)

In summary, my new and fascinating job includes a female boss and I am very happy about this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never had one amazing female boss-mentor, but I&#8217;ve had many good ones from whom I&#8217;ve learnt a ton of useful stuff. </p>
<p>My boss in my last-but-one job was great at saying no to people. She was also excellent at governance. My boss before that was great at delegating responsibility and developing her staff. My boss before that was great at negotiation.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just (today!) left a job with a crappy male boss and was discussing this issue with my sister a couple of weeks back. Basically, we concluded, that as women are socialised to be risk averse and &#8216;grateful&#8217; (blech!) and not to ask for things unless they are 100% sure they deserve them (i.e. Women only apply for jobs where they can do EVERYTHING in the job description), the women applying for a job will often be better qualified than the men. Therefore the average female worked, at any level, is therefore better at their job than the average man. (Compounding this is the fact that women are held to a higher standard in the workplace, due to misogyny-based presumption of incompetence.)</p>
<p>In summary, my new and fascinating job includes a female boss and I am very happy about this.</p>
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		<title>By: tallgirl-in-heels</title>
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		<dc:creator>tallgirl-in-heels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, thanks for responding to my request! I submitted it because I&#039;d been reading so many negative stories about female bosses (which sort of surprised me since I&#039;ve never such an experience).  I think the negative stories get so much play because we&#039;d like to think that we&#039;re all in this together as women, and it stings particularly hard when a woman uses her position and power to undermine rather than mentor.  Such behavior also plays into the worst stereotypes about women bosses, and gives the rest of us an even steeper hill to climb in the workplace. Those stories also speak to what some women feel like they have to do to get, and keep power in the work place.  While these are legitimate topics of discussion, all the talk about the bad sometimes drowns out the good, and I don&#039;t want the few bad apples that do indeed exist to spoil the whole bunch.  

My favorite supervisor was a partner, G, at my old firm.  For awhile my practice group was super small: just me (the lowly associate), G, and the senior partner (SP). SP is a really nice, well-intentioned guy; he just isn&#039;t a good manager...at all (I also truly believe he has adult ADD, which makes him extremely disorganized and makes his mind and mouth jump all over the place). More often than not I walked out of SP&#039;s office having no clue what the hell I was expected to do on a particular project. It was scary enough being a new attorney.  Adding a bad, very confusing manager to the mix made it downright terrifying.  G had come up under the supervision of SP, too, and she immediately knew what I was dealing with.  I cannot even fathom the number of hours (that she got no billable credit for) G spent explaining things to me, reading and editing my work before I submitted it to SP, giving me advice, and acting as a sounding board.  She also made sure that the rest of the partnership learned of my successes and strengths, and was an umbrella of sorts, shielding me from those &quot;partners you absolutely do not want to work with.&quot;  She was someone who was sincerely invested in helping me achieve my highest potential, and never showed even the barest hint of the professional jealousy or the backstabbing tendencies that I&#039;d heard other women talk about seeing in some of their female bosses.  

After many years of working together G and I got to the point where she&#039;d also come to my office if she needed someone to bounce an idea off of, or give a motion she&#039;d written the once over.  And as our practice group grew, eventually it was my door that young associates were tapping on after they emerged from SP&#039;s office looking dazed and confused.  I gladly offered them my time, knowing how much G&#039;s time had meant to me.

Telling G I was leaving the firm was really difficult and emotional.  We both cried, but she understood and remains one of my biggest champions.  In setting off on my own I lost a wonderful boss, but discovered that I&#039;d made a true friend.  For that I am very grateful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, thanks for responding to my request! I submitted it because I&#8217;d been reading so many negative stories about female bosses (which sort of surprised me since I&#8217;ve never such an experience).  I think the negative stories get so much play because we&#8217;d like to think that we&#8217;re all in this together as women, and it stings particularly hard when a woman uses her position and power to undermine rather than mentor.  Such behavior also plays into the worst stereotypes about women bosses, and gives the rest of us an even steeper hill to climb in the workplace. Those stories also speak to what some women feel like they have to do to get, and keep power in the work place.  While these are legitimate topics of discussion, all the talk about the bad sometimes drowns out the good, and I don&#8217;t want the few bad apples that do indeed exist to spoil the whole bunch.  </p>
<p>My favorite supervisor was a partner, G, at my old firm.  For awhile my practice group was super small: just me (the lowly associate), G, and the senior partner (SP). SP is a really nice, well-intentioned guy; he just isn&#8217;t a good manager&#8230;at all (I also truly believe he has adult ADD, which makes him extremely disorganized and makes his mind and mouth jump all over the place). More often than not I walked out of SP&#8217;s office having no clue what the hell I was expected to do on a particular project. It was scary enough being a new attorney.  Adding a bad, very confusing manager to the mix made it downright terrifying.  G had come up under the supervision of SP, too, and she immediately knew what I was dealing with.  I cannot even fathom the number of hours (that she got no billable credit for) G spent explaining things to me, reading and editing my work before I submitted it to SP, giving me advice, and acting as a sounding board.  She also made sure that the rest of the partnership learned of my successes and strengths, and was an umbrella of sorts, shielding me from those &#8220;partners you absolutely do not want to work with.&#8221;  She was someone who was sincerely invested in helping me achieve my highest potential, and never showed even the barest hint of the professional jealousy or the backstabbing tendencies that I&#8217;d heard other women talk about seeing in some of their female bosses.  </p>
<p>After many years of working together G and I got to the point where she&#8217;d also come to my office if she needed someone to bounce an idea off of, or give a motion she&#8217;d written the once over.  And as our practice group grew, eventually it was my door that young associates were tapping on after they emerged from SP&#8217;s office looking dazed and confused.  I gladly offered them my time, knowing how much G&#8217;s time had meant to me.</p>
<p>Telling G I was leaving the firm was really difficult and emotional.  We both cried, but she understood and remains one of my biggest champions.  In setting off on my own I lost a wonderful boss, but discovered that I&#8217;d made a true friend.  For that I am very grateful.</p>
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		<title>By: Kari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, what a great post.  It gives me hope!  I&#039;ve had several stereotypically-bad female bosses in corporate/academic situations, and the one amazing female boss I had was the owner of a cafe where I was a barista.  I look back on my time in that cafe as the most fulfilling work I&#039;ve done.  I wish I could find a mentor (boss or colleague) as amazing in my chosen career, and although I work with a lot of powerful/interesting/good women, no one has filled those shoes yet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, what a great post.  It gives me hope!  I&#8217;ve had several stereotypically-bad female bosses in corporate/academic situations, and the one amazing female boss I had was the owner of a cafe where I was a barista.  I look back on my time in that cafe as the most fulfilling work I&#8217;ve done.  I wish I could find a mentor (boss or colleague) as amazing in my chosen career, and although I work with a lot of powerful/interesting/good women, no one has filled those shoes yet.</p>
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		<title>By: bluebears</title>
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		<dc:creator>bluebears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t have one particular &quot;mentor&quot; figure but overall I have had mostly positive experiences with women I have worked for. My favorite would have to be pre law school I was working in a law firm as like a quasi-clerk and there was one women attorney that I became close to over time. She was really fucking awesome and I totally model my professional demeanor off of her. She didn&#039;t give a fuck basically, and refused to let office drama get her riled. She took a &quot;that is hilarious and ridiculous&quot; attitude to most everything. While I carefully and painstakingly composed inter-office emails (on the rare occasion I needed to send them) hers were so ripped off, no capitalization etc (a style I imitate to this day) because her attitude was fuck it, I&#039;m smart and I&#039;m busy what am I trying to prove with inter-office email? Incidentally when I went off to law school her advice was &quot;talk in class as much as possible even if you don&#039;t know what you&#039;re talking about, it makes it more interesting for you and who cares what people think? fuck em&quot; She also dressed amazing and was into weight lifting and walked around in tank tops with her ripped-ass arms out. And looked like Christina Applegate. Can you tell I had a girl-crush?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have one particular &#8220;mentor&#8221; figure but overall I have had mostly positive experiences with women I have worked for. My favorite would have to be pre law school I was working in a law firm as like a quasi-clerk and there was one women attorney that I became close to over time. She was really fucking awesome and I totally model my professional demeanor off of her. She didn&#8217;t give a fuck basically, and refused to let office drama get her riled. She took a &#8220;that is hilarious and ridiculous&#8221; attitude to most everything. While I carefully and painstakingly composed inter-office emails (on the rare occasion I needed to send them) hers were so ripped off, no capitalization etc (a style I imitate to this day) because her attitude was fuck it, I&#8217;m smart and I&#8217;m busy what am I trying to prove with inter-office email? Incidentally when I went off to law school her advice was &#8220;talk in class as much as possible even if you don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re talking about, it makes it more interesting for you and who cares what people think? fuck em&#8221; She also dressed amazing and was into weight lifting and walked around in tank tops with her ripped-ass arms out. And looked like Christina Applegate. Can you tell I had a girl-crush?</p>
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