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		<title>By: SarahMC</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/08/27/enough-about-chappaquiddick/comment-page-1/#comment-15813</link>
		<dc:creator>SarahMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roman Polanski doesn&#039;t have a Chappaquiddick to trump his rape.  But he &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; a &quot;Hollywood liberal,&quot; which is the only reason right-wingers are up in arms about the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roman Polanski doesn&#8217;t have a Chappaquiddick to trump his rape.  But he <i>is</i> a &#8220;Hollywood liberal,&#8221; which is the only reason right-wingers are up in arms about the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/08/27/enough-about-chappaquiddick/comment-page-1/#comment-15811</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;B&gt;But rape doesn’t bother them that much, which is why they almost always throw all their eggs into the Chappaquiddick basket&lt;/b&gt;

You mean like this case?

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2009/09/28/polanski_arrest/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>But rape doesn’t bother them that much, which is why they almost always throw all their eggs into the Chappaquiddick basket</b></p>
<p>You mean like this case?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2009/09/28/polanski_arrest/" rel="nofollow">Link</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/08/27/enough-about-chappaquiddick/comment-page-1/#comment-14181</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is another way to look at it. Like it or not, William Kennedy Smith was acquitted after a fair trial.  Unsurprisingly, his family rallied around him.  That frequently happens.  His defense attorney was effective.

Although I no longer practice, I was a criminal defense attorney.  I followed the case at the time, watched what I could on television. (We did not have cable at the time.) I thought it was a weak case.  My first wife, who was a practicing lawyer at the time (but not a criminal attorney), also found it to be a weak case. One of her law school classmates, then a prosecutor, also thought it was a weak case.

Of course the judge did not let those three other women testify that Smith had attacked them earlier.  It would have been shocking if the judge had.  Prior convictions do not usually come in unless the defendant testifies.  Then they only come in to challenge the defendant&#039;s credibility. 

However, these allegations were not even convictions.  They had never been tested in court, let alone proved true.  

Strangely, in a rape case, we are supposed to throw away all the rights that a criminal defendant normally receives.  Forgive me if I dissent.  

I suspect if any of you are ever indicted, you will want to make use of every right that the legal system provides.  I further suspect that most of you will stand by any son; husband; father; uncle or nephew to whom you are close if he is ever charged with rape.  At most, you may have to convince yourself of his innocence first.  

Strangely enough, spouses, fiancees, relatives and friends usually manage to do that also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is another way to look at it. Like it or not, William Kennedy Smith was acquitted after a fair trial.  Unsurprisingly, his family rallied around him.  That frequently happens.  His defense attorney was effective.</p>
<p>Although I no longer practice, I was a criminal defense attorney.  I followed the case at the time, watched what I could on television. (We did not have cable at the time.) I thought it was a weak case.  My first wife, who was a practicing lawyer at the time (but not a criminal attorney), also found it to be a weak case. One of her law school classmates, then a prosecutor, also thought it was a weak case.</p>
<p>Of course the judge did not let those three other women testify that Smith had attacked them earlier.  It would have been shocking if the judge had.  Prior convictions do not usually come in unless the defendant testifies.  Then they only come in to challenge the defendant&#8217;s credibility. </p>
<p>However, these allegations were not even convictions.  They had never been tested in court, let alone proved true.  </p>
<p>Strangely, in a rape case, we are supposed to throw away all the rights that a criminal defendant normally receives.  Forgive me if I dissent.  </p>
<p>I suspect if any of you are ever indicted, you will want to make use of every right that the legal system provides.  I further suspect that most of you will stand by any son; husband; father; uncle or nephew to whom you are close if he is ever charged with rape.  At most, you may have to convince yourself of his innocence first.  </p>
<p>Strangely enough, spouses, fiancees, relatives and friends usually manage to do that also.</p>
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		<title>By: Annie B</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/08/27/enough-about-chappaquiddick/comment-page-1/#comment-14099</link>
		<dc:creator>Annie B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 22:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate hearing about that part of his life, because I want to believe all Democrats actually care about women. It hurts me when the facts don&#039;t line up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate hearing about that part of his life, because I want to believe all Democrats actually care about women. It hurts me when the facts don&#8217;t line up.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacki</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/08/27/enough-about-chappaquiddick/comment-page-1/#comment-14062</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 15:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I the only one who remembers when Kennedy and Christopher Dodd (CT-D) sexually assaulted a waitress in a D.C. restaurant?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the only one who remembers when Kennedy and Christopher Dodd (CT-D) sexually assaulted a waitress in a D.C. restaurant?</p>
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		<title>By: DRM, JDMPA</title>
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		<dc:creator>DRM, JDMPA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 12:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As was pointed out by adbsurdbeats and DirtyLaundry above, it is not surprising that a family would come together to support an accused. I deal with such on a regular basis, often involving fabrications, more often denial and stupidity. While I agree that it is conscious conduct on Kennedy&#039;s part, and I can see why it causes such heartburn, I have commented in court with regard to similar facts that blood is thicker than court orders. Persons of privilege are also a major pain in such circumstances - they truly think they should be treated differently because they are a &quot;name&quot;.

I was traveling a lot in 1991, and only recall that I thought that WKS was guilty. If I remember right, the defense attorney was Roy Black, one of the best in Florida. The cross-examination as described is very skillful, and facilitated by a couple of social realities. One is that we do a terrible job generally of educating members of American society and women in general that &quot;nice&quot; is generally over rated and often counterproductive. In addition, most people, men and women, are poor at threat recognition and putting their safety above the feelings of others. I would not be surprised if the witness referred to is more an example of that than of not believing that the rape occurred.

There is a constant tension between educating a potential or actual victim population and blaming the victim. Since the offender is the one responsible for the crime, it is repugnant to blame the victim, but I am constantly amazed at how unthinking people are with regard to their own safety. (And this is not limited to physical assaults - it can be ID theft and other such crimes, too.) When I taught college, I thought it was vital to ensure that my students would think critically about such things. I was at least happy to see that most of the women in the classes knew that classmates and fellow dorm residents were the real threat, not the &quot;stranger&quot;. I am constantly exposed to crime reports which among my professional responses leave me wanting to ask &quot;what the hell were you thinking?&quot;. I went to a burglary one afternoon, in which someone watching a house and caring for their friend&#039;s dog held the dog (bullmastiff) off the burglar because she was afraid the dog would hurt the burglar. Huh? Damned right it would, and GOOD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As was pointed out by adbsurdbeats and DirtyLaundry above, it is not surprising that a family would come together to support an accused. I deal with such on a regular basis, often involving fabrications, more often denial and stupidity. While I agree that it is conscious conduct on Kennedy&#8217;s part, and I can see why it causes such heartburn, I have commented in court with regard to similar facts that blood is thicker than court orders. Persons of privilege are also a major pain in such circumstances &#8211; they truly think they should be treated differently because they are a &#8220;name&#8221;.</p>
<p>I was traveling a lot in 1991, and only recall that I thought that WKS was guilty. If I remember right, the defense attorney was Roy Black, one of the best in Florida. The cross-examination as described is very skillful, and facilitated by a couple of social realities. One is that we do a terrible job generally of educating members of American society and women in general that &#8220;nice&#8221; is generally over rated and often counterproductive. In addition, most people, men and women, are poor at threat recognition and putting their safety above the feelings of others. I would not be surprised if the witness referred to is more an example of that than of not believing that the rape occurred.</p>
<p>There is a constant tension between educating a potential or actual victim population and blaming the victim. Since the offender is the one responsible for the crime, it is repugnant to blame the victim, but I am constantly amazed at how unthinking people are with regard to their own safety. (And this is not limited to physical assaults &#8211; it can be ID theft and other such crimes, too.) When I taught college, I thought it was vital to ensure that my students would think critically about such things. I was at least happy to see that most of the women in the classes knew that classmates and fellow dorm residents were the real threat, not the &#8220;stranger&#8221;. I am constantly exposed to crime reports which among my professional responses leave me wanting to ask &#8220;what the hell were you thinking?&#8221;. I went to a burglary one afternoon, in which someone watching a house and caring for their friend&#8217;s dog held the dog (bullmastiff) off the burglar because she was afraid the dog would hurt the burglar. Huh? Damned right it would, and GOOD.</p>
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		<title>By: bblack</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is terrible. How can we say that she died for a good cause???? Did I miss something? She was probably rapped and then left to drown and die. The Kennedys are notorious for coming such crimes. Hate to say it, but it’s true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is terrible. How can we say that she died for a good cause???? Did I miss something? She was probably rapped and then left to drown and die. The Kennedys are notorious for coming such crimes. Hate to say it, but it’s true.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyndsay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyndsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 05:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the summary. I am not American and know nothing about Ted Kennedy. Reading about both these things was interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the summary. I am not American and know nothing about Ted Kennedy. Reading about both these things was interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: A Closer Look at &#8220;The Women&#8217;s Crusade&#8221; &#171; The Gender Blender Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/08/27/enough-about-chappaquiddick/comment-page-1/#comment-13994</link>
		<dc:creator>A Closer Look at &#8220;The Women&#8217;s Crusade&#8221; &#171; The Gender Blender Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 02:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] death that conveniently forgetting to mention Mary Jo Kopechne and Kennedy&#8217;s participation in a smear campaign against a woman who accused his nephew of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: DirtyLaundry</title>
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		<dc:creator>DirtyLaundry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 02:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think anyone here knows how to answer those questions, unless they&#039;ve been through it.

I hate it that a woman is considered un-feminist, if she stands by a family member or friend who has been accused of rape. I think it is fine, as long as the evidence is not staking up against the accused, then you may just be left with mud on your face. 

One has to take it from an &quot;I don&#039;t know&quot; perspective because the truth is no one knows for sure unless they were there. So there should be no judging of the accuser or the accused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone here knows how to answer those questions, unless they&#8217;ve been through it.</p>
<p>I hate it that a woman is considered un-feminist, if she stands by a family member or friend who has been accused of rape. I think it is fine, as long as the evidence is not staking up against the accused, then you may just be left with mud on your face. </p>
<p>One has to take it from an &#8220;I don&#8217;t know&#8221; perspective because the truth is no one knows for sure unless they were there. So there should be no judging of the accuser or the accused.</p>
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