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		<title>By: Hill Rat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hill Rat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@mischiefmanager @beckysharper

Interesting analysis, especially when you compare religions that have female clergy members with religions that don&#039;t or only have them in extremely small numbers (Catholicism &amp; Islam) that are very patriarchal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mischiefmanager @beckysharper</p>
<p>Interesting analysis, especially when you compare religions that have female clergy members with religions that don&#8217;t or only have them in extremely small numbers (Catholicism &amp; Islam) that are very patriarchal.</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@hillrat: totally agree with MM and I personally think women make better pastors, simply because they&#039;re more inclined to listen and be empathetic rather than hard-line and wedded to traditional power structures. For example, as soon as women entered the rabbinate (and the mainline Protestant denoms), acceptance of divorce, gay clergy and families etc went WAY up. Women clergy tend to embrace the theology of inclusiveness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@hillrat: totally agree with MM and I personally think women make better pastors, simply because they&#8217;re more inclined to listen and be empathetic rather than hard-line and wedded to traditional power structures. For example, as soon as women entered the rabbinate (and the mainline Protestant denoms), acceptance of divorce, gay clergy and families etc went WAY up. Women clergy tend to embrace the theology of inclusiveness.</p>
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		<title>By: mischiefmanager</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/09/02/katie-gets-company/comment-page-1/#comment-14490</link>
		<dc:creator>mischiefmanager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 14:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Hill Rat:  Most of the women rabbis with whom I&#039;ve worked have been great.  They don&#039;t seem to suffer from Rabbi Ego as much as the men do.  They are equally knowledgeable, of course, and more willing to try new things and to see ritual and  texts from different points of view.  

I can&#039;t say that I&#039;ve known male rabbis who were especially approachable, with one exception.  (But the younger ones may be better).  I have a male teacher whom I love dearly and with whom I argue all the time.  But a lot of people are intimidated by him, so maybe it&#039;s just this relationship.  

I know that women rabbis have struggled to be taken seriously by male colleagues, synagogue boards and congregants, although I hope this is less common nowadays.  It&#039;s been a good 15-20 years since women began graduating from yeshivas in noticeable numbers.  As they come into large congregations, they tend, at least at first, to be assigned to the school, which is a typical female role.  I don&#039;t think there are very many female senior rabbis at large congregations even today.  

We now belong to a congregation which is lay-led, and it&#039;s great.  Men and women are equally likely to take on all ritual roles.  

It occurred to me a while back that our kids, who are in their early 20&#039;s, have never known Judaism without women rabbis.  That is a very heartening thought for me!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Hill Rat:  Most of the women rabbis with whom I&#8217;ve worked have been great.  They don&#8217;t seem to suffer from Rabbi Ego as much as the men do.  They are equally knowledgeable, of course, and more willing to try new things and to see ritual and  texts from different points of view.  </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say that I&#8217;ve known male rabbis who were especially approachable, with one exception.  (But the younger ones may be better).  I have a male teacher whom I love dearly and with whom I argue all the time.  But a lot of people are intimidated by him, so maybe it&#8217;s just this relationship.  </p>
<p>I know that women rabbis have struggled to be taken seriously by male colleagues, synagogue boards and congregants, although I hope this is less common nowadays.  It&#8217;s been a good 15-20 years since women began graduating from yeshivas in noticeable numbers.  As they come into large congregations, they tend, at least at first, to be assigned to the school, which is a typical female role.  I don&#8217;t think there are very many female senior rabbis at large congregations even today.  </p>
<p>We now belong to a congregation which is lay-led, and it&#8217;s great.  Men and women are equally likely to take on all ritual roles.  </p>
<p>It occurred to me a while back that our kids, who are in their early 20&#8242;s, have never known Judaism without women rabbis.  That is a very heartening thought for me!</p>
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		<title>By: Hill Rat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hill Rat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 14:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@mischiefmanager @beckysharper

Interesting stuff about the clergy becoming more female.  Do you see this as being a good or bad thing or simply another example of occupational segregation?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mischiefmanager @beckysharper</p>
<p>Interesting stuff about the clergy becoming more female.  Do you see this as being a good or bad thing or simply another example of occupational segregation?</p>
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		<title>By: Mireille</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mireille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 03:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, Diane Sawyer did work for the Nixon administration and her awful interview with the Dixie Chicks after ashamed-the-president-is-from-Texas-gate showed her to be as much a Bush water-carrier as any other news person at the time...  She may deserve the job, but I&#039;m not exactly expecting great reporting.  I&#039;d rather see someone more even-handed or liberal, man or woman.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Diane Sawyer did work for the Nixon administration and her awful interview with the Dixie Chicks after ashamed-the-president-is-from-Texas-gate showed her to be as much a Bush water-carrier as any other news person at the time&#8230;  She may deserve the job, but I&#8217;m not exactly expecting great reporting.  I&#8217;d rather see someone more even-handed or liberal, man or woman.</p>
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		<title>By: mischiefmanager</title>
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		<dc:creator>mischiefmanager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 00:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To the extent that a clergyperson&#039;s job is seen as administrative and pastoral rather than educational or inspirational, it&#039;s easy to see how the job has become feminized.  In my experience, synagogues have come to treat rabbis as executive secretaries, therapists, hospital visitors, employees at family functions, bookkeepers...everything but teachers and leaders.  It would be interesting to compare the expectations of ministers and rabbis in training with the reality of the job.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the extent that a clergyperson&#8217;s job is seen as administrative and pastoral rather than educational or inspirational, it&#8217;s easy to see how the job has become feminized.  In my experience, synagogues have come to treat rabbis as executive secretaries, therapists, hospital visitors, employees at family functions, bookkeepers&#8230;everything but teachers and leaders.  It would be interesting to compare the expectations of ministers and rabbis in training with the reality of the job.</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 00:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@HillRat: For real. And mischiefmanager makes a good point that the same thing is going on in the Reform and Conservative rabbinate and in mainline Protestant denominations, where the majority of people being ordained are women.  All the sudden the clergy is starting to be treated by society as another &quot;service industry&quot; like teaching or nursing instead of a high status job like it was in our parents&#039; time. I doubt the two things are unrelated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@HillRat: For real. And mischiefmanager makes a good point that the same thing is going on in the Reform and Conservative rabbinate and in mainline Protestant denominations, where the majority of people being ordained are women.  All the sudden the clergy is starting to be treated by society as another &#8220;service industry&#8221; like teaching or nursing instead of a high status job like it was in our parents&#8217; time. I doubt the two things are unrelated.</p>
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		<title>By: Hill Rat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hill Rat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 00:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@PhDork

[Read in Cockney accent] Not bloody likely!  

Only 3% of Fortune 500 companies have a female CEO, the top of the pyramid is still very much a (white) boys club.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@PhDork</p>
<p>[Read in Cockney accent] Not bloody likely!  </p>
<p>Only 3% of Fortune 500 companies have a female CEO, the top of the pyramid is still very much a (white) boys club.</p>
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		<title>By: PhDork</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhDork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 23:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, HR, that&#039;s exactly my concern.  But then I think that dudes are just going to run out of jobs if they keep &quot;surrendering&quot; to women, rather than just working alongside them.  Jeezus, you&#039;d think that fear of girl cooties would die off by 6th grade or so...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, HR, that&#8217;s exactly my concern.  But then I think that dudes are just going to run out of jobs if they keep &#8220;surrendering&#8221; to women, rather than just working alongside them.  Jeezus, you&#8217;d think that fear of girl cooties would die off by 6th grade or so&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mischiefmanager</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/09/02/katie-gets-company/comment-page-1/#comment-14420</link>
		<dc:creator>mischiefmanager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 21:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Hill Rat:  There&#039;s discussion about that in regard to the rabbinate too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Hill Rat:  There&#8217;s discussion about that in regard to the rabbinate too.</p>
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