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Further Adventures in Feminist Argument: Generalizing vs. Specifying

Posted by Pilgrim Soul in Thoughts on Sep 25, 2009, 2:20pm | 11 comments

I’m not trying to be annoying with these, I promise.  But I am more or less freestyling on my dislike of certain arguments in an ongoing way lately, in Trader Joe’s, on the dancefloor*, while clipping my toenails.  Seriously these are more or less windows into the brain of PilgrimSoul, with all the crap corporate stuff filtered out.

Here is another variety of internet feminist argument that I’d like to unpack a little.  Feminist X posts some kind of attempt to critique a phenomenon on a systemic level.  Feminist X is reasonably measured, but may say something akin to, “Men in our culture,” or “white people in our culture.”  Cue comment explosion.

Comment #1:  I’m not like that!

Comment #2: I think the real problem with prejudice is GENERALISATION.  Let’s all quit generalizing about each other and we all should be fine.

Comment #3: I understand what you’re trying to say but I find this sort of rhetoric divisive.  Everyone is different.

Comment #1 is often dismissed with, “if it’s not about you, it’s not about you,” but doesn’t that seem like letting people off the hook a lot of the time?  I mean, most white people’s kneejerk reactions to observations about structural racism are, “hey!  Not me!”  If you are open to conversation on the subject, it seems to me, just as often as not you discover that the issue being talked about is you.  In other words, your initial reaction is not always the right one, and there seems something altogether too easy to letting people disclaim their part in the structure, no?

That said, it’s certainly true that with Commenter #1s we all need to decide whether or not to waste time trying to point out to assholes that while we understand they may not feel like assholes, we beg to differ.  Or even that everyone is an asshole some of the time!  (I sure am.)  This has always been less than a crowd pleaser, in my own experience.  But I do think it is essential for us to all nut up in these discussions and admit that yeah, whether or not every member of a privileged class engages in an activity, all of them benefit from it.

Moving on to Commenters #2 and #3, we have a new kind of problem, which is to say: these people plainly have no understanding of what it means to have social power.  And let’s face it: understanding social power is more or less a prima facie requirement for being able to call yourself feminist and anti-racist more than nominally.  To be a feminist and an anti-racist (and it seems both of these incorporate a little something of the other) is to be engaged, I think, in retracing and rebuilding the current architecture of power.  I don’t think we have great claims to agreement on what the finished product would look like, sure, but at least we’re all committed to excavating and dismantling what’s sitting there right now.

And the current architecture of power would be vastly misdescribed as being some kind of war between “generalities” and “specifics.”  Most of us live somewhere between these two poles.  If you think you don’t – if you think that you never generalize – look me straight in the eye and tell me you’ve never spoken these words: “Can I have a fork?”  See there?  Fork is a generality.  You might, in response to this query, receive a plastic fork, or a silver fork, or a stainless steel fork, or one with a plastic handle, etc etc…  I’m pretty sure you catch my drift.  All language is in some sense shorthand, which those of us who had to encounter the nightmare of semiotics in undegrad know.  When I say there are clouds in the sky you know what I am referring to, although you accept without comment that my clouds may look very different from the ones you’re imagining.

Now we can get wordy and meander and qualify qualify qualify, and there is a time and place where these things are necessary.  Like, for example, trying to proclaim one’s personal priorities “women’s priorities.”  Usually, personally, I try to speak from my own experience and the experience of the affected who have, in those instances, tend to have already spoken for themselves.  I’m starting to be a little quieter about experiences not my own because I am wary of mischaracterization, or the picking and choosing that happened with that Audre Lorde post.

I guess to me though the issue is that so often the latter two arguments are wielded as ways to shut down the narratives of the disempowered.  For example, in the context of prostitution: “not all prostitutes are coerced.”  Okay, sure, now we’ve qualified, but does that mean that anti-trafficking efforts are fundamentally objectionable, given that they do sort of assume a degree of coercion?  Because usually that does seem like what the “don’t generalizers” are trying to do, in the feminist context.  In the context of mansplaining, which has come up elsewhere for me recently: “not all men do that.”  Umm, yeah, sure, but a shit ton of women say a hell of a lot men do, and their irreverence about it is a coping mechanism (full circle!) that deserves respect and deference, IMHO.

As for divisiveness, I guess I want to ask these people what it is they think that makes us united.  Because as I’ve detailed above, I’m over here digging down into the foundation, and man, you don’t even seem to know where that is.  I don’t even seem to have the kind of power over you that would let me show you where these problems are, which is a real fucking pain in the ass.  I cannot seem to keep your attention, because you listen to what I say and then look for the ways it hurts you and call that divisive, but you never turn that lens on yourself.  You never ask yourself these questions.

These are all the reasons I find this ” don’t generalize” argument kind of bullshit in the context of liberatory philosophies and movements.  Because while I totally dig intersectionality, I do not totally dig the way its implications have been reread to mean that there is no oppression that isn’t personal, and that the general context, the context of the power, the patriarchy, white supremacy, whatever you want to call it, isn’t “real context.”  It’s all “real context.”  It’s all worth talking about.

*I actually haven’t been on the dance floor in ages, old and creaky as I am, but I liked the rhythm of the word and kept it in.

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11 Responses to “Further Adventures in Feminist Argument: Generalizing vs. Specifying”

  1. Cheryl Trooskin-Zoller says:
    September 25, 2009 at 4:51 pm

    *applause*

    got nothing useful to add. Just that this post made me feel comfortable, happy, and *understood*.

  2. PhDork says:
    September 25, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    Can we boil this down to a paragraph and put it in our FAQs?

  3. bellacoker says:
    September 25, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    On Commenter #1: Someone smart pointed out to me when someone tells you what they are not (or what they don’t want, etc.) they are usually saying the exact opposite of what they are saying.

    For example, when the boss comes up and says: I don’t want to leave you with more work… She is saying: I want to leave you with more work. Etc.

    So, when (in the course of a feminist argument) someone trots out “I’m not like that!” what I hear is: “Oh, shit! I’m like that!”

    That might just be my experience. :)

  4. Cheryl Trooskin-Zoller says:
    September 25, 2009 at 7:07 pm

    @PhDork, it does seem like this must belong on the Feminist Derailing Bingo card.

    @bellacoker, no, it’s not just you. I’ve heard that too. (most recently, when I rented the Torchwood DVDs, “Only someone who’s bluffing ever says they aren’t,” season 2, episode 1 — came to mind as soon as I read your comment.)

  5. rodriguez says:
    September 25, 2009 at 7:12 pm

    @cheryl, bella: At work we used to call this phenomenon the “not” function. And then it was a meme for a while!

  6. AnnoyingFemaleLeadVoiceover says:
    September 25, 2009 at 10:12 pm

    …the way its implications have been reread to mean that there is no oppression that isn’t personal, and that the general context, the context of the power, the patriarchy, white supremacy, whatever you want to call it, isn’t “real context.” It’s all “real context.” It’s all worth talking about.

    Word up. (Is that allowed here?) I’ve started and stopped this comment a few times, but there really isn’t much more to say.

  7. Endora says:
    September 26, 2009 at 6:20 am

    “I guess to me though the issue is that so often the latter two arguments are wielded as ways to shut down the narratives of the disempowered.”

    Yes.

    This is why I have a problem with the idea of “I choose my choice!”. It’s sometimes used to argue that certain behaviors or actions, since they are chosen (and we have a right to choose what we do in our own lives), are not nevertheless ethically or societally problematic. Prostitution is a great example, at least as I see it (and I might get flamed here, but oh well): A minority of women might find it empowering, but 90% of prostitutes have a sexual trauma in their past, and many who do it do it either because of lack of other options, to feed an addiction, or because they are forced into it. And on a purely theoretical level, the idea of selling your body (and thus literally turning yourself into a commodity) has issues for me.

    I think you should be able to discuss this on a macro level without it being understood as an attack on individual sex workers, but a lot of people shut down any discussion with accusations of ‘(slut-)shaming’, which is not what it is actually about.

    /Rant. Sorry!

  8. Joan Kelly says:
    September 26, 2009 at 4:58 pm

    @Endora,

    I agree with your example and what you have to say about it. Although for me what is the most bothersome in discussions (or attempts to shut down -) about the sex industry is the way in which male entitlement to female bodies gets disappeared, when it becomes about whether any particular woman is there voluntarily or not.

    I think it’s possible, and necessary, to refrain from infantilizing women who are in the sex industry – whether it be by dismissing their choice or pitying their powerlessness when forced – without ignoring what is true for *all* women in the sex industry – they are there because males require sexual access to some women’s bodies at all times.

    Without that requirement, no one would ever be forced, and a much smaller number of us would be able to make enough money to voluntarily do it for a living. The fact that I personally have at times benefited from that requirement by choosing something that was more appealing to me than other jobs at the time – that has zero bearing on whether the requirement exists, and is thus of zero use in ending that requirement.

    It is not a problem to me that any given woman may enjoy being in the sex industry. It is a problem for me – and for female born people as a class – that male people are entitled to the use of female bodies whether some women are on board or not.

  9. Mackey says:
    September 27, 2009 at 4:58 am

    Pilgrim Soul, thank you thank you thank you…

    Once upon a time, I did use the “stop generalising” response in a face to face discussion on an issue I can’t even remember.. after the discussion I found myself replaying the arguments in my head about the issue, and came to the realisation that whilst phenomena A may not apply to each and every woman, it does apply to some. Given the constraints of language and the difficulty of defining (see Plato and the Socratic method for a demostration), generalisations can be helpful in communicating.. also the importance of understanding perspectives and contexts..

  10. lfar says:
    September 28, 2009 at 11:56 pm

    PS, I am loving this feminist arguing series. Please keep it up!

  11. Maria says:
    October 24, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    In my (Swedish) feminist organization we every now and then remind one another: To generalize is to sum up experiences. Without generalization the human thought would get nowhere. We certainly wouldn’t be able to make any political analyses, which is necessary for us to understand the world around us, as wells as to be able to draw conclusions. For any oppressed group generalization is imperative.

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