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	<title>Comments on: Friday Flip-Out Thread:  Obama Wins the Nobel</title>
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		<title>By: AuntieM</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/10/09/friday-flip-out-thread-obama-wins-the-nobel/comment-page-1/#comment-16564</link>
		<dc:creator>AuntieM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Enjoyed all your comments. It is great to get so many intelligent viewpoints in a single forum.  Kudos.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enjoyed all your comments. It is great to get so many intelligent viewpoints in a single forum.  Kudos.</p>
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		<title>By: Mackey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mackey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Diziet_Sma - that address was pretty amazing. I read the transcript after the address, and was amazed at the sentiments expressed by Obama.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Diziet_Sma &#8211; that address was pretty amazing. I read the transcript after the address, and was amazed at the sentiments expressed by Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Diziet_Sma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diziet_Sma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 18:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think he won it for his June speech addressing the Arab nations in Egypt, &#039;A New Beginning&#039;(I know the noms were in February, but the decision wasn&#039;t made until later.) Here in America, we probably cannot grasp what an amazing, world-changing effect this had - after &lt;i&gt;centuries&lt;/i&gt; of abuse by the West, I believe the Arab world was genuinely stunned by what this American President said. Since the Middle East is arguably the biggest threat to World Peace right now, I think the award makes perfect sense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think he won it for his June speech addressing the Arab nations in Egypt, &#8216;A New Beginning&#8217;(I know the noms were in February, but the decision wasn&#8217;t made until later.) Here in America, we probably cannot grasp what an amazing, world-changing effect this had &#8211; after <i>centuries</i> of abuse by the West, I believe the Arab world was genuinely stunned by what this American President said. Since the Middle East is arguably the biggest threat to World Peace right now, I think the award makes perfect sense.</p>
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		<title>By: mischiefmanager</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/10/09/friday-flip-out-thread-obama-wins-the-nobel/comment-page-1/#comment-16423</link>
		<dc:creator>mischiefmanager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Ceejee: Since Obama hired HRC, her work is part of his, so I would have to agree with that critique of the comments.  However, it&#039;s hard to argue with the reality that Obama just hasn&#039;t done very much as yet compared to what previous winners have accomplished.  That&#039;s why I understand the comment about the voters who put him in office. 

If you agree that this prize is really for bringing a change of direction to a country whose actions influence the world, then the comment is saying that it&#039;s the people who saw the problems with the Republican world view and caused it to be voted out of power who are the real cause of the change.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ceejee: Since Obama hired HRC, her work is part of his, so I would have to agree with that critique of the comments.  However, it&#8217;s hard to argue with the reality that Obama just hasn&#8217;t done very much as yet compared to what previous winners have accomplished.  That&#8217;s why I understand the comment about the voters who put him in office. </p>
<p>If you agree that this prize is really for bringing a change of direction to a country whose actions influence the world, then the comment is saying that it&#8217;s the people who saw the problems with the Republican world view and caused it to be voted out of power who are the real cause of the change.</p>
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		<title>By: SarahMC</title>
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		<dc:creator>SarahMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;His voters should get some of the credit?&quot;

I can&#039;t really wrap my brain around that either.  Does that apply to all elected officials who win a Nobel or just Obama &amp; Americans?  In other words, hell no.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;His voters should get some of the credit?&#8221;</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t really wrap my brain around that either.  Does that apply to all elected officials who win a Nobel or just Obama &#038; Americans?  In other words, hell no.</p>
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		<title>By: ceejeemcbeegee</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 04:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t quite put my finger on why this conversation bothers me.  HRC is really doing all the heavy lifting?  His voters should get some of the credit?  Really?  Really?!?!?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t quite put my finger on why this conversation bothers me.  HRC is really doing all the heavy lifting?  His voters should get some of the credit?  Really?  Really?!?!?</p>
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		<title>By: Esther</title>
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		<dc:creator>Esther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 03:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i wasn&#039;t saying that he doesn&#039;t deserve it or that he shouldn&#039;t be considered for one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i wasn&#8217;t saying that he doesn&#8217;t deserve it or that he shouldn&#8217;t be considered for one.</p>
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		<title>By: mischiefmanager</title>
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		<dc:creator>mischiefmanager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 03:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was on the road all day and this was quite a surprise.  Since when does the Nobel Committee give prospective peace prizes?  We&#039;re all happy to be rid of King George and his evil minions, but let&#039;s be real.  We&#039;re still in Iraq.  We&#039;re now contemplating a significant increase of troops (read: the sons and daughters of Americans) in a country no one has ever defeated.  We&#039;re still violating human rights by keeping Guantanamo open.  We are choosing not to pressure Netanyahu to cut it out already with the settlements by refusing to use the most effective weapon we have-cutting off the money.  And on and on.  

I worked for Obama and voted for him.  But he has got to understand that happy thoughts  and good intentions go nowhere in this evil world.  If he can&#039;t shove his own party into line, how is he going to manage the Iranians, North Koreans, Pakistanis, Chinese, Russians and the rest of the world&#039;s troublemakers?  

Tallgirl, I&#039;m with you.  I hope someday Obama lives up to this prize, but right now it&#039;s just posturing by the Nobel committee.  If you want to snub American writers, that&#039;s one thing, but really, we&#039;e got enough political grief here already.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was on the road all day and this was quite a surprise.  Since when does the Nobel Committee give prospective peace prizes?  We&#8217;re all happy to be rid of King George and his evil minions, but let&#8217;s be real.  We&#8217;re still in Iraq.  We&#8217;re now contemplating a significant increase of troops (read: the sons and daughters of Americans) in a country no one has ever defeated.  We&#8217;re still violating human rights by keeping Guantanamo open.  We are choosing not to pressure Netanyahu to cut it out already with the settlements by refusing to use the most effective weapon we have-cutting off the money.  And on and on.  </p>
<p>I worked for Obama and voted for him.  But he has got to understand that happy thoughts  and good intentions go nowhere in this evil world.  If he can&#8217;t shove his own party into line, how is he going to manage the Iranians, North Koreans, Pakistanis, Chinese, Russians and the rest of the world&#8217;s troublemakers?  </p>
<p>Tallgirl, I&#8217;m with you.  I hope someday Obama lives up to this prize, but right now it&#8217;s just posturing by the Nobel committee.  If you want to snub American writers, that&#8217;s one thing, but really, we&#8217;e got enough political grief here already.</p>
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		<title>By: tallgirl-in-heels</title>
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		<dc:creator>tallgirl-in-heels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 02:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For those who don&#039;t subscribe to the barrage of Obama emails, here&#039;s a snippet from the one concerning the award:

&quot;To be honest, I do not feel that I deserve to be in the company of so many of the transformative figures who&#039;ve been honored by this prize -- men and women who&#039;ve inspired me and inspired the entire world through their courageous pursuit of peace.

But I also know that throughout history the Nobel Peace Prize has not just been used to honor specific achievement; it&#039;s also been used as a means to give momentum to a set of causes.&quot;

I can see how the committee might have thought that awarding him the prize would reinvigorate some of the &quot;yes we can&quot; global optimism that seems to have waned since the election.  Personally, I feel almost more cynical now than I did when Bush was in office.  I really like Obama.  He&#039;s always struck me (perhaps naively) as a good, decent man who honestly believes in working together to make our country and the world a better place.  Yet much of what Ive seen since his election signals to me that very few people in power are truly interested in following suit, especially many in our Congress who continue to preen and bicker just like nothing&#039;s changed.  I know politics is slimy.  But now I am starting to believe that to get anything done you have to be an unabashed bastard asshole.  And whether any given constituent sees this as an evil or a virtue just depends on what side of the political spectrum he/she is on.  Maybe we are too big and too divided to do anything but waffle every few years between one party or the other, getting little done as we go.  

-Debbie Downer]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those who don&#8217;t subscribe to the barrage of Obama emails, here&#8217;s a snippet from the one concerning the award:</p>
<p>&#8220;To be honest, I do not feel that I deserve to be in the company of so many of the transformative figures who&#8217;ve been honored by this prize &#8212; men and women who&#8217;ve inspired me and inspired the entire world through their courageous pursuit of peace.</p>
<p>But I also know that throughout history the Nobel Peace Prize has not just been used to honor specific achievement; it&#8217;s also been used as a means to give momentum to a set of causes.&#8221;</p>
<p>I can see how the committee might have thought that awarding him the prize would reinvigorate some of the &#8220;yes we can&#8221; global optimism that seems to have waned since the election.  Personally, I feel almost more cynical now than I did when Bush was in office.  I really like Obama.  He&#8217;s always struck me (perhaps naively) as a good, decent man who honestly believes in working together to make our country and the world a better place.  Yet much of what Ive seen since his election signals to me that very few people in power are truly interested in following suit, especially many in our Congress who continue to preen and bicker just like nothing&#8217;s changed.  I know politics is slimy.  But now I am starting to believe that to get anything done you have to be an unabashed bastard asshole.  And whether any given constituent sees this as an evil or a virtue just depends on what side of the political spectrum he/she is on.  Maybe we are too big and too divided to do anything but waffle every few years between one party or the other, getting little done as we go.  </p>
<p>-Debbie Downer</p>
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		<title>By: homovegetarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>homovegetarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 00:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i think that one of the problems with a lot of the analysis i&#039;ve heard/seen is that it still presumes that the international community was thinking of the united states, rather than the international community, when they made their choice.

if our economy can bring the global economy to its knees, it&#039;s a measure of what our military means to global stability.

for all the bush-cheney years meant to those of who live in the us, the damage to those who live abroad is much greater. obama&#039;s campaign was the beginning of a national shift, and his election literally means lives. i like the old british saying that there is only an inch of difference between Labour and the Tories, but in that inch, we survive. for many third world people Obama is a gap that is the difference between life and death. he not the only one, but he is one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think that one of the problems with a lot of the analysis i&#8217;ve heard/seen is that it still presumes that the international community was thinking of the united states, rather than the international community, when they made their choice.</p>
<p>if our economy can bring the global economy to its knees, it&#8217;s a measure of what our military means to global stability.</p>
<p>for all the bush-cheney years meant to those of who live in the us, the damage to those who live abroad is much greater. obama&#8217;s campaign was the beginning of a national shift, and his election literally means lives. i like the old british saying that there is only an inch of difference between Labour and the Tories, but in that inch, we survive. for many third world people Obama is a gap that is the difference between life and death. he not the only one, but he is one.</p>
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