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	<title>Comments on: A Feminist Dilemma: Volume 2</title>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/10/14/a-feminist-dilemma-volume-2/comment-page-1/#comment-16881</link>
		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@alyce: I think you make some really good points here. And I find myself agreeing with you, but also with some of the comments you&#039;re responding to. This is why PhDork and I call these situations the &quot;feminist dilemma.&quot;  There are no clear-cut answers.

Everyone has their own methods of dealing with/negotiating/busting through chauvinist or patriarchial obstacles we encounter. Personally, I think each situation has a lot of variables that have to be taken into account--but it&#039;s worth examining them after the fact, because we can always be sure there are more feminist dilemmas in our future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@alyce: I think you make some really good points here. And I find myself agreeing with you, but also with some of the comments you&#8217;re responding to. This is why PhDork and I call these situations the &#8220;feminist dilemma.&#8221;  There are no clear-cut answers.</p>
<p>Everyone has their own methods of dealing with/negotiating/busting through chauvinist or patriarchial obstacles we encounter. Personally, I think each situation has a lot of variables that have to be taken into account&#8211;but it&#8217;s worth examining them after the fact, because we can always be sure there are more feminist dilemmas in our future.</p>
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		<title>By: Alyce</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/10/14/a-feminist-dilemma-volume-2/comment-page-1/#comment-16845</link>
		<dc:creator>Alyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Personally, I dont think it&#039;s right or beneficial to women (or society in general) to pick and choose when we want to play along with the patriarchy. When the argument becomes &quot;it&#039;s wrong, but...&quot; or &quot;I hate patriarchy except when...&quot; then the whole argument is weakened. Which is fine, no one has to (or aguably is able to) avoid participating in patriarcal practices all the time. The problem is when the argument becomes that participating is beneficial to the cause.

Looking through the comments these few caught my eye. No disrespect is intended to any of the authors.

&lt;i&gt;[H]owever misogynistic his attitude, in the end you benefited and there’s nothing wrong with coming out ahead.&lt;/i&gt;
- If this argument is reversed so that a woman suffers as a result we would all likely have a problem with it. Does the outcome really make a difference when the root cause is the same?

&lt;i&gt;I’m definitely not above turning on the smile and turning up the charm if I’m looking for a favor.&lt;/i&gt;
 - If a man benefits purely on the basis of being male, it&#039;s patriarchal and misogynest but if a woman benefits purely on the basis of being female it&#039;s ok? Personally I think double standards are to be avoided, no matter who is benefitting.

&lt;i&gt;I’m not going to complain if someone wants to give me a deal.&lt;/i&gt;
 - An economic benefit in exchange for an idealogical cost. Class privilege obviously comes into play with this argument. It&#039;s certainly a valid veiwpoint so long as we don&#039;t forget that nothing is free in this world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I dont think it&#8217;s right or beneficial to women (or society in general) to pick and choose when we want to play along with the patriarchy. When the argument becomes &#8220;it&#8217;s wrong, but&#8230;&#8221; or &#8220;I hate patriarchy except when&#8230;&#8221; then the whole argument is weakened. Which is fine, no one has to (or aguably is able to) avoid participating in patriarcal practices all the time. The problem is when the argument becomes that participating is beneficial to the cause.</p>
<p>Looking through the comments these few caught my eye. No disrespect is intended to any of the authors.</p>
<p><i>[H]owever misogynistic his attitude, in the end you benefited and there’s nothing wrong with coming out ahead.</i><br />
- If this argument is reversed so that a woman suffers as a result we would all likely have a problem with it. Does the outcome really make a difference when the root cause is the same?</p>
<p><i>I’m definitely not above turning on the smile and turning up the charm if I’m looking for a favor.</i><br />
 &#8211; If a man benefits purely on the basis of being male, it&#8217;s patriarchal and misogynest but if a woman benefits purely on the basis of being female it&#8217;s ok? Personally I think double standards are to be avoided, no matter who is benefitting.</p>
<p><i>I’m not going to complain if someone wants to give me a deal.</i><br />
 &#8211; An economic benefit in exchange for an idealogical cost. Class privilege obviously comes into play with this argument. It&#8217;s certainly a valid veiwpoint so long as we don&#8217;t forget that nothing is free in this world.</p>
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		<title>By: bettyblack</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/10/14/a-feminist-dilemma-volume-2/comment-page-1/#comment-16806</link>
		<dc:creator>bettyblack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the first scenario is a question of exercising your thin-white-girl privilege, and the second one of exercising thin-white-girl power. 

The second case is more interesting to me. As NefariousNewt says brilliantly, you displayed smarts, courage, and guts in a harrowing situation: You took a quick read of the scenario, and used the guard&#039;s likely misogyny and perceptions about women to trick your way past him with a gambit that no male could have successfully achieved; I say that&#039;s a far more substantial flip-off to patriarchal &quot;authority&quot; than a finger-wave at a photo!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the first scenario is a question of exercising your thin-white-girl privilege, and the second one of exercising thin-white-girl power. </p>
<p>The second case is more interesting to me. As NefariousNewt says brilliantly, you displayed smarts, courage, and guts in a harrowing situation: You took a quick read of the scenario, and used the guard&#8217;s likely misogyny and perceptions about women to trick your way past him with a gambit that no male could have successfully achieved; I say that&#8217;s a far more substantial flip-off to patriarchal &#8220;authority&#8221; than a finger-wave at a photo!!</p>
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		<title>By: Nimue</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/10/14/a-feminist-dilemma-volume-2/comment-page-1/#comment-16779</link>
		<dc:creator>Nimue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I always joke about making up the wage gap one free drink at a time. 

One author calls this the &quot;patriarchal bargain&quot;: we agress to act out our prescribed gender roles in exchange for the benefits (which also come with risks). 

We know it&#039;s often a lousy deal, but we do a risk-benefit analysis and sometimes it goes one way, and sometimes the other.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always joke about making up the wage gap one free drink at a time. </p>
<p>One author calls this the &#8220;patriarchal bargain&#8221;: we agress to act out our prescribed gender roles in exchange for the benefits (which also come with risks). </p>
<p>We know it&#8217;s often a lousy deal, but we do a risk-benefit analysis and sometimes it goes one way, and sometimes the other.</p>
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		<title>By: Austin Nedved</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/10/14/a-feminist-dilemma-volume-2/comment-page-1/#comment-16695</link>
		<dc:creator>Austin Nedved</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 06:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The guy might be doing you a favor for a stupid reason, but it&#039;s still a favor.  Why wouldn&#039;t this be like a sort of affirmative action?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The guy might be doing you a favor for a stupid reason, but it&#8217;s still a favor.  Why wouldn&#8217;t this be like a sort of affirmative action?</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/10/14/a-feminist-dilemma-volume-2/comment-page-1/#comment-16673</link>
		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Thatguy: You&#039;re right, you won&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Thatguy: You&#8217;re right, you won&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: thatguy</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/10/14/a-feminist-dilemma-volume-2/comment-page-1/#comment-16672</link>
		<dc:creator>thatguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Becky--Although I find this site interesting, it is also the female equivalent of circle jerk. As my comments (made in good faith, believe it or not) are not welcome, I promise not to post further comments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Becky&#8211;Although I find this site interesting, it is also the female equivalent of circle jerk. As my comments (made in good faith, believe it or not) are not welcome, I promise not to post further comments.</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/10/14/a-feminist-dilemma-volume-2/comment-page-1/#comment-16669</link>
		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@thatguy: You have the habit of coming into the comments and being contrary just for the sake of being contrary and anti-feminist. One more gratuitous (and offensive) generalization like  &quot;Feminists want the good parts of equality, but not the bad&quot; and you will not be commenting here any longer.

As for the $40, I never asked the dude for a deal. He just gave it to me because he liked the way I looked. I don&#039;t think that&#039;s a good situation, and I said so. I don&#039;t think that you, as a man, will ever find yourself in a similar situation, nor are we talking about your experiences as a man, so spare us the lectures on what you &quot;as a man&quot; would do in that situation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@thatguy: You have the habit of coming into the comments and being contrary just for the sake of being contrary and anti-feminist. One more gratuitous (and offensive) generalization like  &#8220;Feminists want the good parts of equality, but not the bad&#8221; and you will not be commenting here any longer.</p>
<p>As for the $40, I never asked the dude for a deal. He just gave it to me because he liked the way I looked. I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s a good situation, and I said so. I don&#8217;t think that you, as a man, will ever find yourself in a similar situation, nor are we talking about your experiences as a man, so spare us the lectures on what you &#8220;as a man&#8221; would do in that situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Hill Rat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hill Rat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Meh.  I wouldn&#039;t give the cable thing a second thought; cable companies are the worst, the more money you can not give them the better.  As for the situation in Zimbabwe, discretion is the better part of valor. 

For all my complaining about stereotyped as a large Black man, when it&#039;s working in my favor I usually go with it &#039;cause most times it&#039;s working against me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meh.  I wouldn&#8217;t give the cable thing a second thought; cable companies are the worst, the more money you can not give them the better.  As for the situation in Zimbabwe, discretion is the better part of valor. </p>
<p>For all my complaining about stereotyped as a large Black man, when it&#8217;s working in my favor I usually go with it &#8217;cause most times it&#8217;s working against me.</p>
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		<title>By: SarahMC</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/10/14/a-feminist-dilemma-volume-2/comment-page-1/#comment-16667</link>
		<dc:creator>SarahMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Once we get equality I&#039;ll be happy to pay the $40.  In fact, I&#039;m happy to pay it without equality.  But I&#039;m not going to complain if someone wants to give me a deal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once we get equality I&#8217;ll be happy to pay the $40.  In fact, I&#8217;m happy to pay it without equality.  But I&#8217;m not going to complain if someone wants to give me a deal.</p>
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