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		<title>By: tallgirl-in-heels</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/11/03/helpful-terms-unhelpful-tips/comment-page-1/#comment-17609</link>
		<dc:creator>tallgirl-in-heels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with pedimd. Maybe to women who frequent feminist websites this stuff is pretty 101.  But I think there are a lot of young women who are aware of things like gender bias, but may lack a more precise language and understanding with which to talk about and attack the problem.  I am someone who managed to emerge from school without having taken a women&#039;s studies, or other similar course. Having watched my mom get chewed up and spit out by the patriarchy over and over, I had a sense of the challenges and a desire to fight, but it was a learn-as-you-go process.  It&#039;s just been within the last few years that I&#039;ve started learning the actual language of feminism via sites like this.  Having a basic framework like the one presented on that gender bias website would have been helpful to me, especially when I first started working at a law firm.  

I also agree that it&#039;s a helpful framework for men who, because of their privileged status, may not have thought much about these issues.  

Lastly, IMO, many law firms are still at 101 (if they&#039;ve even gotten that far) so this project is pretty much on target for that demographic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with pedimd. Maybe to women who frequent feminist websites this stuff is pretty 101.  But I think there are a lot of young women who are aware of things like gender bias, but may lack a more precise language and understanding with which to talk about and attack the problem.  I am someone who managed to emerge from school without having taken a women&#8217;s studies, or other similar course. Having watched my mom get chewed up and spit out by the patriarchy over and over, I had a sense of the challenges and a desire to fight, but it was a learn-as-you-go process.  It&#8217;s just been within the last few years that I&#8217;ve started learning the actual language of feminism via sites like this.  Having a basic framework like the one presented on that gender bias website would have been helpful to me, especially when I first started working at a law firm.  </p>
<p>I also agree that it&#8217;s a helpful framework for men who, because of their privileged status, may not have thought much about these issues.  </p>
<p>Lastly, IMO, many law firms are still at 101 (if they&#8217;ve even gotten that far) so this project is pretty much on target for that demographic.</p>
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		<title>By: bellacoker</title>
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		<dc:creator>bellacoker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I work at a &quot;historically&quot; women&#039;s university, last year one of my co-workers had a stalker and the administrators response was:  Don&#039;t talk about it at work at all, it will just scare the students.

It was amazing, because if we can&#039;t get this shit right here amond the women and were women are in charge (historically), where will it ever be fixed?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work at a &#8220;historically&#8221; women&#8217;s university, last year one of my co-workers had a stalker and the administrators response was:  Don&#8217;t talk about it at work at all, it will just scare the students.</p>
<p>It was amazing, because if we can&#8217;t get this shit right here amond the women and were women are in charge (historically), where will it ever be fixed?</p>
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		<title>By: mischiefmanager</title>
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		<dc:creator>mischiefmanager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@veganmarcy:  Guy only event s?  Isn&#039;t that illegal?

@BeckyS:  I know it happens, but it just astounds me when I hear of women my age and older screwing over younger ones because history didn&#039;t move fast enough for them.  So let&#039;s see, should a doctor who had chicken pox as a kid refuse to inoculate her patients because she had to go through it?

We have got to see that what we did and suffered through and accomplished was and is part of the process of achieving the sexism-free world that we all want.  Taking your bitterness out on women who had nothing to do with the frustrations you experienced is really undercutting your struggle in a serious way, and letting The Man win.  Every time a woman *doesn&#039;t* have to go through the garbage that you did is a tribute to you, and I hope older women can come to see it that way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@veganmarcy:  Guy only event s?  Isn&#8217;t that illegal?</p>
<p>@BeckyS:  I know it happens, but it just astounds me when I hear of women my age and older screwing over younger ones because history didn&#8217;t move fast enough for them.  So let&#8217;s see, should a doctor who had chicken pox as a kid refuse to inoculate her patients because she had to go through it?</p>
<p>We have got to see that what we did and suffered through and accomplished was and is part of the process of achieving the sexism-free world that we all want.  Taking your bitterness out on women who had nothing to do with the frustrations you experienced is really undercutting your struggle in a serious way, and letting The Man win.  Every time a woman *doesn&#8217;t* have to go through the garbage that you did is a tribute to you, and I hope older women can come to see it that way.</p>
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		<title>By: pedimd</title>
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		<dc:creator>pedimd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is basic, but that doesn&#039;t make it useless -- just because a woman has graduated from college does not mean she had a complete feminist education, and even if she did, she may not easily see how those concepts apply to her personally. 

And, it would be useful for people (maybe especially men of a certain age) who are running departments, and want to be supportive of their women employees -- my dad for example, is chief of his department and has done several things to support the women who work with him. I think he&#039;s great on women&#039;s issues -- when I point them out to him. He never took any women&#039;s studies classes and I&#039;m not sure he gets all of feminism 101, even though I know he wants to be supportive and helpful. I&#039;m going to send him the link.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is basic, but that doesn&#8217;t make it useless &#8212; just because a woman has graduated from college does not mean she had a complete feminist education, and even if she did, she may not easily see how those concepts apply to her personally. </p>
<p>And, it would be useful for people (maybe especially men of a certain age) who are running departments, and want to be supportive of their women employees &#8212; my dad for example, is chief of his department and has done several things to support the women who work with him. I think he&#8217;s great on women&#8217;s issues &#8212; when I point them out to him. He never took any women&#8217;s studies classes and I&#8217;m not sure he gets all of feminism 101, even though I know he wants to be supportive and helpful. I&#8217;m going to send him the link.</p>
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		<title>By: yvanehtnioj</title>
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		<dc:creator>yvanehtnioj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BeckySharper - That&#039;s the worst of the worst.  When the women you wish would mentor and be supportive -- because really, they were in the trenches and have achieved so much and are generally awesome at their jobs -- have this &quot;I went through it, what&#039;s the big deal?&quot; attitude towards sexism in the workplace.  They had to &quot;man up&quot; or whatever, and now they see it almost as hazing, like going through it proves you deserve to be there or make partner or whatever the case may be.  Pardon me, I&#039;ve tapped into an incoherent shouty inner monologue, I&#039;ll stop now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BeckySharper &#8211; That&#8217;s the worst of the worst.  When the women you wish would mentor and be supportive &#8212; because really, they were in the trenches and have achieved so much and are generally awesome at their jobs &#8212; have this &#8220;I went through it, what&#8217;s the big deal?&#8221; attitude towards sexism in the workplace.  They had to &#8220;man up&#8221; or whatever, and now they see it almost as hazing, like going through it proves you deserve to be there or make partner or whatever the case may be.  Pardon me, I&#8217;ve tapped into an incoherent shouty inner monologue, I&#8217;ll stop now.</p>
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		<title>By: veganmarcy</title>
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		<dc:creator>veganmarcy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a corporate lady, oh my. I honestly don&#039;t even know where to start.  It&#039;s everything, every day. Try working in an uber conservative private company that is a military college-filled good ol boys club.  And yes, I get crap ALL THE TIME for acting too manly/bitchy/assertive even though guys are just doing the same thing and having it be seen as normal or even something that should be applauded. And lots of guy-only events.

This is why I can&#039;t talk about it, I just start raging incoherently. And it&#039;s not just people you don&#039;t get along with, it&#039;s people you can get along with and then they pull total &#039;WTF?&#039; moves and that&#039;s the worst.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a corporate lady, oh my. I honestly don&#8217;t even know where to start.  It&#8217;s everything, every day. Try working in an uber conservative private company that is a military college-filled good ol boys club.  And yes, I get crap ALL THE TIME for acting too manly/bitchy/assertive even though guys are just doing the same thing and having it be seen as normal or even something that should be applauded. And lots of guy-only events.</p>
<p>This is why I can&#8217;t talk about it, I just start raging incoherently. And it&#8217;s not just people you don&#8217;t get along with, it&#8217;s people you can get along with and then they pull total &#8216;WTF?&#8217; moves and that&#8217;s the worst.</p>
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		<title>By: funnyface</title>
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		<dc:creator>funnyface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a university admin, not a prof, but man, we&#039;ve got one asshole on our faculty whom tenure is definitely helping, much to the department&#039;s detriment. He is currently married to the SECOND former student he&#039;s wedded, he is a horrible teacher when he bothers to show up or doesn&#039;t bring the world&#039;s most obnoxious 5 year old with him, and though the chair tried to get his tenure revoked, the provost refused to back him, so we&#039;re stuck with this jerk. He&#039;s so ridiculously manipulative that I swear he wakes up each day wondering how to make others&#039; lives miserable. I wish he could be fired.

I have also witnessed a pretty crappy situation with an adjunct who just had a baby. She never came in to talk about needing a schedule change (her husband is also an adjunct with us) before the arrival of the baby, and so was assigned the same schedule she&#039;d had the previous few semesters. When she finally did come in to demand a different schedule, two weeks before registration opened, she was told that it wasn&#039;t possible. The whole thing has now turned into a crazy stink and I&#039;m left wondering why she didn&#039;t just come in and talk about getting a new schedule months ago.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a university admin, not a prof, but man, we&#8217;ve got one asshole on our faculty whom tenure is definitely helping, much to the department&#8217;s detriment. He is currently married to the SECOND former student he&#8217;s wedded, he is a horrible teacher when he bothers to show up or doesn&#8217;t bring the world&#8217;s most obnoxious 5 year old with him, and though the chair tried to get his tenure revoked, the provost refused to back him, so we&#8217;re stuck with this jerk. He&#8217;s so ridiculously manipulative that I swear he wakes up each day wondering how to make others&#8217; lives miserable. I wish he could be fired.</p>
<p>I have also witnessed a pretty crappy situation with an adjunct who just had a baby. She never came in to talk about needing a schedule change (her husband is also an adjunct with us) before the arrival of the baby, and so was assigned the same schedule she&#8217;d had the previous few semesters. When she finally did come in to demand a different schedule, two weeks before registration opened, she was told that it wasn&#8217;t possible. The whole thing has now turned into a crazy stink and I&#8217;m left wondering why she didn&#8217;t just come in and talk about getting a new schedule months ago.</p>
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		<title>By: rodriguez</title>
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		<dc:creator>rodriguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Each time I was pregnant (early 90&#039;s) I hid that fact at work as long as I could. I had vague ideas that it was not good for my career. Lately I had an evening out with my coworkers from that time, and the topic came up. I couldn&#039;t even say &lt;i&gt;why&lt;i&gt; I hide it so long very coherently anymore.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Each time I was pregnant (early 90&#8242;s) I hid that fact at work as long as I could. I had vague ideas that it was not good for my career. Lately I had an evening out with my coworkers from that time, and the topic came up. I couldn&#8217;t even say <i>why</i><i> I hide it so long very coherently anymore.</i></p>
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		<title>By: bluebears</title>
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		<dc:creator>bluebears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder who they are writing this for. PhDork I agree with you this is all very basic and not just in a, basic for feminist/gender study scholars way but in a basic for any woman who&#039;s had a job out of college way. So...undergrad students? I guess it could be helpful for women about to enter the workforce in that it would let them know what sort of obstacles they&#039;ll be facing. I don&#039;t know, I really didn&#039;t get much out of it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder who they are writing this for. PhDork I agree with you this is all very basic and not just in a, basic for feminist/gender study scholars way but in a basic for any woman who&#8217;s had a job out of college way. So&#8230;undergrad students? I guess it could be helpful for women about to enter the workforce in that it would let them know what sort of obstacles they&#8217;ll be facing. I don&#8217;t know, I really didn&#8217;t get much out of it.</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with JennyK about the double bind--it&#039;s the one thing on that grid that makes me gnash my teeth harder than anything else.

In the female-dominated company where I work, it comes down to age. Women who are a generation older than me really run the table on those four major bias patterns. They hit all the double binds and maternal wall issues, and hit them HARD. I think for women who were making their way in our industry in the 1960s and 70s, there was absolutely no room for anything other than &quot;act like a man&quot;, so they did. They made it work, but now they have very little empathy for those of us who came of age professionally in the 90s and 00s. We have more and better options now and want to exercise them, but our female bosses tend to actively discourage that and they favor of all the old chauvinist patterns they had to conform to. It&#039;s discouraging, to say the least.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with JennyK about the double bind&#8211;it&#8217;s the one thing on that grid that makes me gnash my teeth harder than anything else.</p>
<p>In the female-dominated company where I work, it comes down to age. Women who are a generation older than me really run the table on those four major bias patterns. They hit all the double binds and maternal wall issues, and hit them HARD. I think for women who were making their way in our industry in the 1960s and 70s, there was absolutely no room for anything other than &#8220;act like a man&#8221;, so they did. They made it work, but now they have very little empathy for those of us who came of age professionally in the 90s and 00s. We have more and better options now and want to exercise them, but our female bosses tend to actively discourage that and they favor of all the old chauvinist patterns they had to conform to. It&#8217;s discouraging, to say the least.</p>
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