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		<title>By: Hillary-Hate Is Woman-Hate &#151; Hillary Is 44</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/11/07/you-can-put-down-your-champagne-now/comment-page-1/#comment-18041</link>
		<dc:creator>Hillary-Hate Is Woman-Hate &#151; Hillary Is 44</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] like healthcare for half the population. Jill at Feministe, Ann at Feministing, and Pilgrim Soul at The Pursuit of Harpyness, among others, all reported in their respective Stupak rants that they&#8217;ve been harangued by [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] like healthcare for half the population. Jill at Feministe, Ann at Feministing, and Pilgrim Soul at The Pursuit of Harpyness, among others, all reported in their respective Stupak rants that they&#8217;ve been harangued by [...]</p>
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		<title>By: KB</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/11/07/you-can-put-down-your-champagne-now/comment-page-1/#comment-17914</link>
		<dc:creator>KB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a fan of the Stupak-Pitts amendment, but I live in a very conservative part of the country, and I&#039;m surrounded by people who consider abortion a moral wrong.  From where I&#039;m standing, fighting this amendment is just impossible.  There is no compromise on this issue--they&#039;d rather see the entire health care bill fail than pass it without the caveat that abortion is not covered.  And they have the numbers to be a threat to the bill&#039;s passing.  It&#039;s not a Democrat/Republican thing, it&#039;s what the majority of constituents of the congresspeople believe--my area has a Democratic senator that will never be forgiven if they vote too pro-choice.

It is a big deal, but I don&#039;t think this was a bargaining chip, more like a hostage situation.  Pro-choice people voted for it not to get the votes but to avoid losing them.  It really was a decision to save the rest of the bill, and I don&#039;t think it could have passed any other way.  The problem isn&#039;t that the &quot;progressive&quot; party compromised, it&#039;s that the other side won&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a fan of the Stupak-Pitts amendment, but I live in a very conservative part of the country, and I&#8217;m surrounded by people who consider abortion a moral wrong.  From where I&#8217;m standing, fighting this amendment is just impossible.  There is no compromise on this issue&#8211;they&#8217;d rather see the entire health care bill fail than pass it without the caveat that abortion is not covered.  And they have the numbers to be a threat to the bill&#8217;s passing.  It&#8217;s not a Democrat/Republican thing, it&#8217;s what the majority of constituents of the congresspeople believe&#8211;my area has a Democratic senator that will never be forgiven if they vote too pro-choice.</p>
<p>It is a big deal, but I don&#8217;t think this was a bargaining chip, more like a hostage situation.  Pro-choice people voted for it not to get the votes but to avoid losing them.  It really was a decision to save the rest of the bill, and I don&#8217;t think it could have passed any other way.  The problem isn&#8217;t that the &#8220;progressive&#8221; party compromised, it&#8217;s that the other side won&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: ImTheMarigold</title>
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		<dc:creator>ImTheMarigold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For anyone who considers themselves a fan or supporter of Nicholas Kristof&#039;s endeavors, you had this gem waiting for you on his Facebook page this morning:

&quot;I&#039;m worried about the degree to which the health reform debate is being overwhelmed by abortion politics. If the House, with its strong Dem majority, could pass reform by only 5 votes, then what will happen in the Senate, where Dems have no votes to spare? I&#039;m pro-choice and think the curbs are wrong--but the top priority has to be to get reform through Congress this year.&quot;

I commented, asking when the last time his white male privilege was thrown under the bus. *headdesk*  So much for Half the Sky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anyone who considers themselves a fan or supporter of Nicholas Kristof&#8217;s endeavors, you had this gem waiting for you on his Facebook page this morning:</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m worried about the degree to which the health reform debate is being overwhelmed by abortion politics. If the House, with its strong Dem majority, could pass reform by only 5 votes, then what will happen in the Senate, where Dems have no votes to spare? I&#8217;m pro-choice and think the curbs are wrong&#8211;but the top priority has to be to get reform through Congress this year.&#8221;</p>
<p>I commented, asking when the last time his white male privilege was thrown under the bus. *headdesk*  So much for Half the Sky.</p>
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		<title>By: Jo</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/11/07/you-can-put-down-your-champagne-now/comment-page-1/#comment-17847</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have nothing to add, but that I may have to find those &quot;this demeans women&quot; stickers to put on those buttwipes&#039; campaign posters next fall.

This entire brouhaha makes me physically ill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have nothing to add, but that I may have to find those &#8220;this demeans women&#8221; stickers to put on those buttwipes&#8217; campaign posters next fall.</p>
<p>This entire brouhaha makes me physically ill.</p>
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		<title>By: figleaf</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/11/07/you-can-put-down-your-champagne-now/comment-page-1/#comment-17835</link>
		<dc:creator>figleaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...all your liberal dude friends&quot;  Assuming by &quot;liberal dude&quot; you mean only the subset of liberal men who throw reproductive rights under the bus then yeah, I guess all liberal dudes threw women under the bus.  (Coughstrawdood?cough)

The rest of us are probably as shocked and angry as you are.  The monsters on the right (regardless of party) and their Stockholm-syndrome-stunned fellow travelers had already skinned reproductive rights to the bone in the &quot;negotiations&quot; previously.  This feels like they just wanted to pour salt on raw wounds.  Just because they could.

Stupack and his masters also obviously crafted it as a bomb to be dropped at the last minute -- I can&#039;t believe how unprepared the House managers were.  I&#039;m pretty sure that if they hadn&#039;t been so blindsided they might have mounted an effective opposition instead of letting it get to a floor vote.

For instance it would have been nice if anybody had asked for a CBO score on the Stupak amendment.  Hard to imagine a $500 termination hitting the Federal Budget harder than $100,000+ for care for a woman who had a preeclampsia-induced stroke late in an unplanned, unwanted pregnancy.  

That might have been a zero-cost no-brainer now, while coverage can be declined for pregnancy as a preexisting condition.  But presumably the new bill is going to stick both private insurers and any public providers with an itemized bill.  

A CBO score will almost certainly reflect that.  And it&#039;s not too late!  While it&#039;s too late for the House version a big fat CBO score would complicate its survival in the Senate and during reconciliation.

But bottom line this is a huge concern.

figleaf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;all your liberal dude friends&#8221;  Assuming by &#8220;liberal dude&#8221; you mean only the subset of liberal men who throw reproductive rights under the bus then yeah, I guess all liberal dudes threw women under the bus.  (Coughstrawdood?cough)</p>
<p>The rest of us are probably as shocked and angry as you are.  The monsters on the right (regardless of party) and their Stockholm-syndrome-stunned fellow travelers had already skinned reproductive rights to the bone in the &#8220;negotiations&#8221; previously.  This feels like they just wanted to pour salt on raw wounds.  Just because they could.</p>
<p>Stupack and his masters also obviously crafted it as a bomb to be dropped at the last minute &#8212; I can&#8217;t believe how unprepared the House managers were.  I&#8217;m pretty sure that if they hadn&#8217;t been so blindsided they might have mounted an effective opposition instead of letting it get to a floor vote.</p>
<p>For instance it would have been nice if anybody had asked for a CBO score on the Stupak amendment.  Hard to imagine a $500 termination hitting the Federal Budget harder than $100,000+ for care for a woman who had a preeclampsia-induced stroke late in an unplanned, unwanted pregnancy.  </p>
<p>That might have been a zero-cost no-brainer now, while coverage can be declined for pregnancy as a preexisting condition.  But presumably the new bill is going to stick both private insurers and any public providers with an itemized bill.  </p>
<p>A CBO score will almost certainly reflect that.  And it&#8217;s not too late!  While it&#8217;s too late for the House version a big fat CBO score would complicate its survival in the Senate and during reconciliation.</p>
<p>But bottom line this is a huge concern.</p>
<p>figleaf</p>
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		<title>By: mischiefmanager</title>
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		<dc:creator>mischiefmanager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@PSoul: &quot;I expect that in the next few days all your liberal dude friends will be trying to explain to you that this is really no big deal...&quot;

Not to belabor the obvious, but all my liberal dude friends and relatives are outraged and infuriated by the House&#039;s actions.  I say this to help us all keep in mind that we do have genuine male allies whose support is so much appreciated.  Those guys are, in the words of the t shirt, what feminism looks like!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@PSoul: &#8220;I expect that in the next few days all your liberal dude friends will be trying to explain to you that this is really no big deal&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Not to belabor the obvious, but all my liberal dude friends and relatives are outraged and infuriated by the House&#8217;s actions.  I say this to help us all keep in mind that we do have genuine male allies whose support is so much appreciated.  Those guys are, in the words of the t shirt, what feminism looks like!</p>
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		<title>By: bellacoker</title>
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		<dc:creator>bellacoker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 05:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.equalrightsamendment.org/

Just saying . . .</description>
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<p>Just saying . . .</p>
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		<title>By: queenieinmanhattan</title>
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		<dc:creator>queenieinmanhattan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 02:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m angry, too.  When will people wake up and realize that legislating what women can and can&#039;t do with their own bodies is just as morally wrong as standing in the way of marriage equality or voting rights?  It&#039;s inexcusable, and it seems to me that people with whom I agree about so many things find this issue to be a throw-away, something less important than others.

I just read an Op-Ed in the Greenwich Time praising a local Methodist church for protesting the mother church&#039;s position on LGBT ministrers and same-sex marriage.  I agreed with almost everything, save this: &quot;It is the only group that the policies of our great country explicitly discriminate against as well.&quot;  (Link: http://www.greenwichtime.com/editorial/ci_13731398.)

In reality, the laws of this country discriminate against women - and will do so even more explicitly if the Stupak amendment makes it into the final bill.

Women, thrown under the bus (and then told to calm down, not make a fuss, that it&#039;s not a big deal), yet again.  It makes my blood boil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m angry, too.  When will people wake up and realize that legislating what women can and can&#8217;t do with their own bodies is just as morally wrong as standing in the way of marriage equality or voting rights?  It&#8217;s inexcusable, and it seems to me that people with whom I agree about so many things find this issue to be a throw-away, something less important than others.</p>
<p>I just read an Op-Ed in the Greenwich Time praising a local Methodist church for protesting the mother church&#8217;s position on LGBT ministrers and same-sex marriage.  I agreed with almost everything, save this: &#8220;It is the only group that the policies of our great country explicitly discriminate against as well.&#8221;  (Link: <a href="http://www.greenwichtime.com/editorial/ci_13731398" rel="nofollow">http://www.greenwichtime.com/editorial/ci_13731398</a>.)</p>
<p>In reality, the laws of this country discriminate against women &#8211; and will do so even more explicitly if the Stupak amendment makes it into the final bill.</p>
<p>Women, thrown under the bus (and then told to calm down, not make a fuss, that it&#8217;s not a big deal), yet again.  It makes my blood boil.</p>
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		<title>By: mischiefmanager</title>
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		<dc:creator>mischiefmanager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 23:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing that burns me the most about my congressman&#039;s vote is that he came right out and said that he relied on a letter the Church sent out to guide his vote.  So apparently my congressional district is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Catholic Church and the actual voters are irrelevant. 

Sometimes we forget that it&#039;s a war.  But then the men thoughtfully remind us.  This is a war, and don&#039;t ever pretend that it isn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing that burns me the most about my congressman&#8217;s vote is that he came right out and said that he relied on a letter the Church sent out to guide his vote.  So apparently my congressional district is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Catholic Church and the actual voters are irrelevant. </p>
<p>Sometimes we forget that it&#8217;s a war.  But then the men thoughtfully remind us.  This is a war, and don&#8217;t ever pretend that it isn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Endora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Endora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edit: &#039;we&#039;ll continue to struggle to get society at large to give a damn&#039;.  Bedtime for Endora...

For the picture of what life could be like if abortion were illegal again, I&#039;d direct anyone towards &#039;Happening&#039; (&#039;L&#039;événement&#039;) by Annie Ernaux, the story of her abortion in the 60s...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edit: &#8216;we&#8217;ll continue to struggle to get society at large to give a damn&#8217;.  Bedtime for Endora&#8230;</p>
<p>For the picture of what life could be like if abortion were illegal again, I&#8217;d direct anyone towards &#8216;Happening&#8217; (&#8216;L&#8217;événement&#8217;) by Annie Ernaux, the story of her abortion in the 60s&#8230;</p>
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