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		<title>By: viajera</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/11/10/sodom-and-gomorrah-and-uniban/comment-page-1/#comment-17942</link>
		<dc:creator>viajera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Marjorie, thanks, that was really enlightening.  It&#039;s making me reassess a lot of things I saw in Central America in a new light (e.g., the women in skimpy clothing dancing in the background on shows, and the guys who had their &#039;virginal&#039; wives and their &#039;whore&#039; girlfriends on the side).

I had to snort at this though: &quot;The only way to enjoy a harrassment-free night out is if you have a guy by your side.&quot;
Even that&#039;s not enough in Nicaragua.  I&#039;ve been hooted/whistled at, had my ass grabbed, even propositioned while arm-in-arm with my novio (who&#039;s a pretty big guy as Nicaraguans go, too).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Marjorie, thanks, that was really enlightening.  It&#8217;s making me reassess a lot of things I saw in Central America in a new light (e.g., the women in skimpy clothing dancing in the background on shows, and the guys who had their &#8216;virginal&#8217; wives and their &#8216;whore&#8217; girlfriends on the side).</p>
<p>I had to snort at this though: &#8220;The only way to enjoy a harrassment-free night out is if you have a guy by your side.&#8221;<br />
Even that&#8217;s not enough in Nicaragua.  I&#8217;ve been hooted/whistled at, had my ass grabbed, even propositioned while arm-in-arm with my novio (who&#8217;s a pretty big guy as Nicaraguans go, too).</p>
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		<title>By: Marjorie</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/11/10/sodom-and-gomorrah-and-uniban/comment-page-1/#comment-17925</link>
		<dc:creator>Marjorie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ SarahMC -- &quot;When women are portrayed as objects for male enjoyment and nothing more, people begin treating women as objects for male enjoyment and nothing more&quot;. Exactly!

@ bluebars -- Yeah. It&#039;s a pain in the ass to go to bars and clubs as well. Some guys will grab you by the waist or follow you around or sit on your table without asking for permission. The only way to enjoy a harrassment-free night out is if you have a guy by your side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ SarahMC &#8212; &#8220;When women are portrayed as objects for male enjoyment and nothing more, people begin treating women as objects for male enjoyment and nothing more&#8221;. Exactly!</p>
<p>@ bluebars &#8212; Yeah. It&#8217;s a pain in the ass to go to bars and clubs as well. Some guys will grab you by the waist or follow you around or sit on your table without asking for permission. The only way to enjoy a harrassment-free night out is if you have a guy by your side.</p>
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		<title>By: bluebears</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/11/10/sodom-and-gomorrah-and-uniban/comment-page-1/#comment-17907</link>
		<dc:creator>bluebears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@sarahMC: totally. It&#039;s why I cringe a little every time I hear some woman say that posing for Playboy &quot;empowers&quot; women. Or that if push came to shove they&#039;d rather strip then work for McDonalds even if the pay worked out to be roughly similar because working for a fast food restaurant is less dignified. It&#039;s a fine line between being a sexual being in your own right and being objectified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@sarahMC: totally. It&#8217;s why I cringe a little every time I hear some woman say that posing for Playboy &#8220;empowers&#8221; women. Or that if push came to shove they&#8217;d rather strip then work for McDonalds even if the pay worked out to be roughly similar because working for a fast food restaurant is less dignified. It&#8217;s a fine line between being a sexual being in your own right and being objectified.</p>
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		<title>By: SarahMC</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/11/10/sodom-and-gomorrah-and-uniban/comment-page-1/#comment-17904</link>
		<dc:creator>SarahMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marjorie, thanks for the explanation!
While at first glance it seems to make no sense, it&#039;s perfectly understandable.  That&#039;s how objectification works.  When women are portrayed as objects for male enjoyment and nothing more, people begin treating women as objects for male enjoyment and nothing more.
Sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marjorie, thanks for the explanation!<br />
While at first glance it seems to make no sense, it&#8217;s perfectly understandable.  That&#8217;s how objectification works.  When women are portrayed as objects for male enjoyment and nothing more, people begin treating women as objects for male enjoyment and nothing more.<br />
Sad.</p>
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		<title>By: bluebears</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/11/10/sodom-and-gomorrah-and-uniban/comment-page-1/#comment-17903</link>
		<dc:creator>bluebears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was really informative Marjorie. Thanks. Is street harassment a particular problem as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was really informative Marjorie. Thanks. Is street harassment a particular problem as well?</p>
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		<title>By: Marjorie</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/11/10/sodom-and-gomorrah-and-uniban/comment-page-1/#comment-17902</link>
		<dc:creator>Marjorie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the outside, I guess it might really seem that all this nudity and semi-nudity of women&#039;s bodies in Brazil means that they can wear whatever they want on the streets wihtout being bothered. If I were foreign, I&#039;d probably think that brazilians are more relaxed and don&#039;t judge people too much on clothing. Too bad that&#039;s far from true. 

Most of Brazil&#039;s population declares to be catholic -- so, although most don&#039;t actually go to church or agree with  the things the pope says, a sort of &quot;catholic mentailty&quot; is very strong here. And you know what that means: women are viewed as sinful and dangerous, provocative -- therefore, you gotta restrict her sexuality. The saint/whore dichotomy is INCREDIBLY STRONG in our culture. 

So, although we do have all those women in revealing clothing on TV, movies and magazines... They&#039;re just seen as whores. Like: &quot;they are nice to look at, but ones you shouldn&#039;t marry&quot;.

The thing is those &quot;whores&quot; are the standard of beauty offered to all of us. So girls are taught that showing their bodies and looking sexy is a very important thing and that is what they should do to be &quot;feminine&quot; and accepted. However, when you do exactly what you&#039;ve been told all your life, you get punished for that. Like Geisy did. So we, brazilian women, live with this bizarre contradiction: &quot;be sexy! But still look virginal! Unleash men&#039;s desire, but don&#039;t look like a whore!&quot;

The difference between this case and everyday life is that it took huge  proportions and became an outrageous case of harassment. But in everyday life, the sad truth is that everyone would just call you a whore behind your back (yup, as is THAT was ok...). So we see comments on brazilians websites condemning the harassment, but ALSO blaming Geisy for her dress. So they agree with the harassers, just disagree with how loud the harassment was. :-(

Hope I made it a little bit more clear.
Hugs,
Marjorie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the outside, I guess it might really seem that all this nudity and semi-nudity of women&#8217;s bodies in Brazil means that they can wear whatever they want on the streets wihtout being bothered. If I were foreign, I&#8217;d probably think that brazilians are more relaxed and don&#8217;t judge people too much on clothing. Too bad that&#8217;s far from true. </p>
<p>Most of Brazil&#8217;s population declares to be catholic &#8212; so, although most don&#8217;t actually go to church or agree with  the things the pope says, a sort of &#8220;catholic mentailty&#8221; is very strong here. And you know what that means: women are viewed as sinful and dangerous, provocative &#8212; therefore, you gotta restrict her sexuality. The saint/whore dichotomy is INCREDIBLY STRONG in our culture. </p>
<p>So, although we do have all those women in revealing clothing on TV, movies and magazines&#8230; They&#8217;re just seen as whores. Like: &#8220;they are nice to look at, but ones you shouldn&#8217;t marry&#8221;.</p>
<p>The thing is those &#8220;whores&#8221; are the standard of beauty offered to all of us. So girls are taught that showing their bodies and looking sexy is a very important thing and that is what they should do to be &#8220;feminine&#8221; and accepted. However, when you do exactly what you&#8217;ve been told all your life, you get punished for that. Like Geisy did. So we, brazilian women, live with this bizarre contradiction: &#8220;be sexy! But still look virginal! Unleash men&#8217;s desire, but don&#8217;t look like a whore!&#8221;</p>
<p>The difference between this case and everyday life is that it took huge  proportions and became an outrageous case of harassment. But in everyday life, the sad truth is that everyone would just call you a whore behind your back (yup, as is THAT was ok&#8230;). So we see comments on brazilians websites condemning the harassment, but ALSO blaming Geisy for her dress. So they agree with the harassers, just disagree with how loud the harassment was. <img src='http://www.harpyness.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Hope I made it a little bit more clear.<br />
Hugs,<br />
Marjorie.</p>
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		<title>By: Marjorie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marjorie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, harpies. I&#039;m Brazilian and an avid reader of this blog (although I usually don&#039;t comment). 

I&#039;ll try to explain this big contradiction (although it is quite nonsense to me as well). 

Unfortunately, our culture is very male chauvinistic and relies heavily on the objectification of women&#039;s bodies. When you turn on the TV in Brazil at any hour, you&#039;ll see women in reveling clothes, sometimes almost naked. During carnival they ARE actually naked! Some mainstream brazilian movies are filled with hardcore sex scenes, with close-ups of nipples, butts and pubes... But only of women! If you show a tiny bit of male nudity, bet your ass it&#039;s gonna be considered an outrage. But women... Oh, that&#039;s what they&#039;re there for! 

It&#039;s also very common for brazilian TV shows to have women in revealing clothing just as props, dancing on the background so that the camera, every now and then, does a close-up under their skirt. Those girls are usually portraited as dumb and constantly sexually available. As a consequence, brazilians always associate any nudity to the intention of turning someone on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, harpies. I&#8217;m Brazilian and an avid reader of this blog (although I usually don&#8217;t comment). </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll try to explain this big contradiction (although it is quite nonsense to me as well). </p>
<p>Unfortunately, our culture is very male chauvinistic and relies heavily on the objectification of women&#8217;s bodies. When you turn on the TV in Brazil at any hour, you&#8217;ll see women in reveling clothes, sometimes almost naked. During carnival they ARE actually naked! Some mainstream brazilian movies are filled with hardcore sex scenes, with close-ups of nipples, butts and pubes&#8230; But only of women! If you show a tiny bit of male nudity, bet your ass it&#8217;s gonna be considered an outrage. But women&#8230; Oh, that&#8217;s what they&#8217;re there for! </p>
<p>It&#8217;s also very common for brazilian TV shows to have women in revealing clothing just as props, dancing on the background so that the camera, every now and then, does a close-up under their skirt. Those girls are usually portraited as dumb and constantly sexually available. As a consequence, brazilians always associate any nudity to the intention of turning someone on.</p>
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		<title>By: Eggfulaura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eggfulaura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never, not even for a second, condone this type of behavior by anyone anywhere. In a perfect world, this girl could walk where ever she pleases in whatever she chooses to wear without fear of retaliation.
 I was just curious about the events and atmosphere that led to her attack and musing &quot;out loud&quot; though my fingers.  Reading it over again, I agree that I may have worded it wrong, but I thought I qualified myself in the following sentence by professing my non-victim blaming status.  Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never, not even for a second, condone this type of behavior by anyone anywhere. In a perfect world, this girl could walk where ever she pleases in whatever she chooses to wear without fear of retaliation.<br />
 I was just curious about the events and atmosphere that led to her attack and musing &#8220;out loud&#8221; though my fingers.  Reading it over again, I agree that I may have worded it wrong, but I thought I qualified myself in the following sentence by professing my non-victim blaming status.  Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This makes absolutely no sense to me either.  

It&#039;s great the school changed their stance (an act of defense, wtf???) but I don&#039;t know how she could return to class. I would be terrified to even go near that school again. Good on her for standing up for herself like that and refusing to back down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This makes absolutely no sense to me either.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s great the school changed their stance (an act of defense, wtf???) but I don&#8217;t know how she could return to class. I would be terrified to even go near that school again. Good on her for standing up for herself like that and refusing to back down.</p>
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		<title>By: yvanehtnioj</title>
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		<dc:creator>yvanehtnioj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Egg - &lt;i&gt;An uproar of this magnitude requires a lot more than a girl in a mini skirt to get it started. Perhaps the mini skirt was the straw that broke the camel’s back? &lt;/i&gt;

What does that mean?  What other straws do you imagine took place?  Multiple weeks of wearing miniskirts?  She flirted with someone?  This makes absolutely no sense as written, if you&#039;re really not victim blaming.  The only way those sentences have meaning is if you&#039;re saying her actions provoked this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Egg &#8211; <i>An uproar of this magnitude requires a lot more than a girl in a mini skirt to get it started. Perhaps the mini skirt was the straw that broke the camel’s back? </i></p>
<p>What does that mean?  What other straws do you imagine took place?  Multiple weeks of wearing miniskirts?  She flirted with someone?  This makes absolutely no sense as written, if you&#8217;re really not victim blaming.  The only way those sentences have meaning is if you&#8217;re saying her actions provoked this.</p>
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