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	<title>Comments on: A Room of One&#8217;s Own: Part Three</title>
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		<title>By: MontglaneChess</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/11/30/a-room-of-ones-own-part-three/comment-page-1/#comment-19535</link>
		<dc:creator>MontglaneChess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 07:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I pretty much hate the idea of living alone. In undergrad, I had the same roommate for all four years. It&#039;s been the best and most successful &quot;living together&quot; relationship I&#039;ve ever had. I like to attribute it to the fact that our messes collected in complimentary ways. ;) 

I&#039;m living with my current bf right now. I joined a housing co-op because I hate living alone (although I rented my own room for sanity purposes). After a year of living alone in a crowd, I met my bf and I more or less moved into his room after the first week of dating. Shocking and radical, I know. I was shocked because a)it felt weirdly natural and b) I wasn&#039;t stressing about it. 

I come from a religious family who strongly disproves of &#039;living in sin&#039;-- so the fact that when I searched myself and decided that I was totally cool with this crazy crazy move, I went with it. And five months later, we&#039;re still going strong. Despite sharing what is essentially a single large room, I&#039;ve never felt too crowded, at all stifled, or overwhelmed with the need to flee. 

We clean together, we give each other private time (reading together side by side or otherwise). I don&#039;t do his laundry and he doesn&#039;t do mine. We eat in the common dining room and sometimes we go out. 

I still pay (and retain my room) at the current time. I hold onto it not only in case we break-up, but I like knowing I have some place to retreat to that&#039;s all mine. This may change in the next six months. That&#039;s okay. 

I&#039;m young. Maybe I&#039;m a *little* crazy. But I think I&#039;m being at least a little smart about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I pretty much hate the idea of living alone. In undergrad, I had the same roommate for all four years. It&#8217;s been the best and most successful &#8220;living together&#8221; relationship I&#8217;ve ever had. I like to attribute it to the fact that our messes collected in complimentary ways. <img src='http://www.harpyness.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m living with my current bf right now. I joined a housing co-op because I hate living alone (although I rented my own room for sanity purposes). After a year of living alone in a crowd, I met my bf and I more or less moved into his room after the first week of dating. Shocking and radical, I know. I was shocked because a)it felt weirdly natural and b) I wasn&#8217;t stressing about it. </p>
<p>I come from a religious family who strongly disproves of &#8216;living in sin&#8217;&#8211; so the fact that when I searched myself and decided that I was totally cool with this crazy crazy move, I went with it. And five months later, we&#8217;re still going strong. Despite sharing what is essentially a single large room, I&#8217;ve never felt too crowded, at all stifled, or overwhelmed with the need to flee. </p>
<p>We clean together, we give each other private time (reading together side by side or otherwise). I don&#8217;t do his laundry and he doesn&#8217;t do mine. We eat in the common dining room and sometimes we go out. </p>
<p>I still pay (and retain my room) at the current time. I hold onto it not only in case we break-up, but I like knowing I have some place to retreat to that&#8217;s all mine. This may change in the next six months. That&#8217;s okay. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m young. Maybe I&#8217;m a *little* crazy. But I think I&#8217;m being at least a little smart about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Pockysmama</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/11/30/a-room-of-ones-own-part-three/comment-page-1/#comment-18801</link>
		<dc:creator>Pockysmama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 23:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had one roommate when I was 18 but she turned out to have a heroin problem so I moved into my own place and was there about a year.  When I was 19, I became pregnant with my daughter and the Unhusband(we&#039;d been together about 5 years at that point) insisted I live with him (mother of my child thing).  I have to admit I didn&#039;t really want to move in with him, but wasn&#039;t yet mature enough to realize I didn&#039;t have to.  I was pregnant and if I wasn&#039;t going to get married, I thought I should move in.  We had some difficulties and I lived alone with our daughter for about a year (I think I was about 21 then).  So we&#039;ve been together about 24 years or so and have lived together for about 15 1/2 of those years.  

We are at a funny stage in our relationship now.  We are about to be empty nesters and I have some career goals I am working on that will necessitate me leaving the city we&#039;re in if not the state.  It&#039;s hard to say where we&#039;ll go from here, I&#039;m not entirely sure we will continue living together.  I will say that I will never live with someone again in my life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had one roommate when I was 18 but she turned out to have a heroin problem so I moved into my own place and was there about a year.  When I was 19, I became pregnant with my daughter and the Unhusband(we&#8217;d been together about 5 years at that point) insisted I live with him (mother of my child thing).  I have to admit I didn&#8217;t really want to move in with him, but wasn&#8217;t yet mature enough to realize I didn&#8217;t have to.  I was pregnant and if I wasn&#8217;t going to get married, I thought I should move in.  We had some difficulties and I lived alone with our daughter for about a year (I think I was about 21 then).  So we&#8217;ve been together about 24 years or so and have lived together for about 15 1/2 of those years.  </p>
<p>We are at a funny stage in our relationship now.  We are about to be empty nesters and I have some career goals I am working on that will necessitate me leaving the city we&#8217;re in if not the state.  It&#8217;s hard to say where we&#8217;ll go from here, I&#8217;m not entirely sure we will continue living together.  I will say that I will never live with someone again in my life.</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that link, Elizabeth! It&#039;s very helpful and I&#039;m going to save it for future reference. And happy to have you join the discussion!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that link, Elizabeth! It&#8217;s very helpful and I&#8217;m going to save it for future reference. And happy to have you join the discussion!</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Delurking for the first time! 

I&#039;ve never lived alone – would have liked to, but it&#039;s never been financially possible. The first time I cohabited, I started dating someone in the student house I was sharing (10 strangers! One kitchen! Hijinks!). We moved out into a three-person house, where we stayed for the last two years of my degree. I learned a lot about sharing and commitment - and having an escape plan, when he told me he&#039;d fallen in love with someone else 2 weeks after we signed on for the next 12 months. 

This time round, I was moving from one country to another to be with my partner. We&#039;d spent over a year together-but-leasing-seperate rooms and another year+ doing international long distance so I was confident about the relationship but we still had a lot to talk about - I didn&#039;t have a job in the UK lined up and as a result we had to put down six months rent up front, most of which had to come from him etc etc. We wrote a &#039;Living Together Agreement&#039; using this ( http://www.advicenow.org.uk/living-together/moving-in/living-together-agreements-html,280,FP.html ) as a base, and I think it opened the door to talking about things like - where will we be in 10 years, financial goals, importance of marriage, etc.

It&#039;s three years later, we&#039;re in our third flat (bloody landlords) and still happy. We&#039;ll probably get married before we have kids, buy a house or move abroad, maybe in five years. We have a joint account (always running on fumes at the end of the month) and seperate savings (escape plan!).

I think division of chores is important and there are a lot of assumptions we had to talk through. We started out trying to split everything, but discovered we work better with &#039;zones&#039; - I do occasional (bills, birthdays, visitors...) and laundry, he does daily (cooking, taking the rubbish out, shopping..) and we both do a mad scramble when visitors are on the way!

I feel that now we&#039;re working towards a common goal whereas with roommates it often felt like we were all pulling in different directions.

Really enjoy the blog - hope this long ramble&#039;s OK!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Delurking for the first time! </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never lived alone – would have liked to, but it&#8217;s never been financially possible. The first time I cohabited, I started dating someone in the student house I was sharing (10 strangers! One kitchen! Hijinks!). We moved out into a three-person house, where we stayed for the last two years of my degree. I learned a lot about sharing and commitment &#8211; and having an escape plan, when he told me he&#8217;d fallen in love with someone else 2 weeks after we signed on for the next 12 months. </p>
<p>This time round, I was moving from one country to another to be with my partner. We&#8217;d spent over a year together-but-leasing-seperate rooms and another year+ doing international long distance so I was confident about the relationship but we still had a lot to talk about &#8211; I didn&#8217;t have a job in the UK lined up and as a result we had to put down six months rent up front, most of which had to come from him etc etc. We wrote a &#8216;Living Together Agreement&#8217; using this ( <a href="http://www.advicenow.org.uk/living-together/moving-in/living-together-agreements-html,280,FP.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.advicenow.org.uk/living-together/moving-in/living-together-agreements-html,280,FP.html</a> ) as a base, and I think it opened the door to talking about things like &#8211; where will we be in 10 years, financial goals, importance of marriage, etc.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s three years later, we&#8217;re in our third flat (bloody landlords) and still happy. We&#8217;ll probably get married before we have kids, buy a house or move abroad, maybe in five years. We have a joint account (always running on fumes at the end of the month) and seperate savings (escape plan!).</p>
<p>I think division of chores is important and there are a lot of assumptions we had to talk through. We started out trying to split everything, but discovered we work better with &#8216;zones&#8217; &#8211; I do occasional (bills, birthdays, visitors&#8230;) and laundry, he does daily (cooking, taking the rubbish out, shopping..) and we both do a mad scramble when visitors are on the way!</p>
<p>I feel that now we&#8217;re working towards a common goal whereas with roommates it often felt like we were all pulling in different directions.</p>
<p>Really enjoy the blog &#8211; hope this long ramble&#8217;s OK!</p>
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		<title>By: misscalculate</title>
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		<dc:creator>misscalculate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Av0gadro, Thanks for the explanation! I figured it was something along those lines but that&#039;s good to know. No legal language needed :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Av0gadro, Thanks for the explanation! I figured it was something along those lines but that&#8217;s good to know. No legal language needed <img src='http://www.harpyness.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Av0gadro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Av0gadro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Misscalculate, lots of states do it. It has to do with property rights. In Oregon, when you&#039;re married, it&#039;s automatically &quot;Joe Schmoe and Sally Schmuck, as tenants in common&quot;, which essentially means that if one of the spouses dies, the house automatically reverts to the survivor without being subject to probate, inheritance taxes, or other complicated stuff. You can use other language, but it&#039;s more steps. A single person is identified as a single man or woman to indicate that there&#039;s no other person who has claim to the property, and it therefore becomes part of their estate automatically when they die.

I&#039;m sure I could have used better, more legal language to explain that, but that&#039;s the gist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Misscalculate, lots of states do it. It has to do with property rights. In Oregon, when you&#8217;re married, it&#8217;s automatically &#8220;Joe Schmoe and Sally Schmuck, as tenants in common&#8221;, which essentially means that if one of the spouses dies, the house automatically reverts to the survivor without being subject to probate, inheritance taxes, or other complicated stuff. You can use other language, but it&#8217;s more steps. A single person is identified as a single man or woman to indicate that there&#8217;s no other person who has claim to the property, and it therefore becomes part of their estate automatically when they die.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure I could have used better, more legal language to explain that, but that&#8217;s the gist.</p>
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		<title>By: misscalculate</title>
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		<dc:creator>misscalculate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@BeckySharper North Carolina (you knew it had to be the South). I assume unmarried men would have it also. And it does amaze me that the logistics and finances of break-up after a move-in seem to shock so many people. I suppose the emotional state gives you a sort of tunnel vision about life. Thus why coming up with the plan in an unemotional state is key.

@LMN I, too, have found that the disposition of a romantic partner is very important to my emotional well-being. I suppose I&#039;m easily affected by the other person&#039;s emotions. Being with someone who is stable and generally happy is key for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@BeckySharper North Carolina (you knew it had to be the South). I assume unmarried men would have it also. And it does amaze me that the logistics and finances of break-up after a move-in seem to shock so many people. I suppose the emotional state gives you a sort of tunnel vision about life. Thus why coming up with the plan in an unemotional state is key.</p>
<p>@LMN I, too, have found that the disposition of a romantic partner is very important to my emotional well-being. I suppose I&#8217;m easily affected by the other person&#8217;s emotions. Being with someone who is stable and generally happy is key for me.</p>
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		<title>By: viajera</title>
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		<dc:creator>viajera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve done all of the above - lived with roommates, housemates, SOs, SOs and housemates, and alone (though only three times, for a total of ~1 year).  I shared rooms w/ non-SOs in undergrad (at my university we were required to live in the dorms freshman and sophomore years).  I also shared a tiny bunkroom for a year while in a residential AmeriCorps program after graduation.  Worse, I still have to share a room with 1-2 women and/or men (usually in their early 20s, while I&#039;m 37!) at the field stations I work at while doing my PhD research (~2 years total in the last 4.5 years).  I&#039;m a private person who really likes my space, so I really dislike sharing a room with a non-SO - I&#039;d avoid it if I could, but unfortunately I&#039;ll have to deal with it again for ~3 months next year while I finish my work.

But I really don&#039;t mind living with either housemates or SOs, for the most part.  I tend to be a solitary person, so I find I do better having someone else around - it helps me get out of my head.  While none of the relationships with SOs I&#039;ve lived with (5 so far) have worked out, the living experiences were mostly good.  With two notable exceptions - once when I was stuck in a lease with an ex who become petty and borderline violent, and once when I felt trapped after moving to a place I despised to be with someone who, I quickly realized, wasn&#039;t right for me.  But I&#039;ve had some crazy roommates (one who had a very sheddy dog and didn&#039;t clean for  &gt;1 year!), and with the exception of the current roommate, who&#039;s great, I&#039;ve generally preferred living with SOs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve done all of the above &#8211; lived with roommates, housemates, SOs, SOs and housemates, and alone (though only three times, for a total of ~1 year).  I shared rooms w/ non-SOs in undergrad (at my university we were required to live in the dorms freshman and sophomore years).  I also shared a tiny bunkroom for a year while in a residential AmeriCorps program after graduation.  Worse, I still have to share a room with 1-2 women and/or men (usually in their early 20s, while I&#8217;m 37!) at the field stations I work at while doing my PhD research (~2 years total in the last 4.5 years).  I&#8217;m a private person who really likes my space, so I really dislike sharing a room with a non-SO &#8211; I&#8217;d avoid it if I could, but unfortunately I&#8217;ll have to deal with it again for ~3 months next year while I finish my work.</p>
<p>But I really don&#8217;t mind living with either housemates or SOs, for the most part.  I tend to be a solitary person, so I find I do better having someone else around &#8211; it helps me get out of my head.  While none of the relationships with SOs I&#8217;ve lived with (5 so far) have worked out, the living experiences were mostly good.  With two notable exceptions &#8211; once when I was stuck in a lease with an ex who become petty and borderline violent, and once when I felt trapped after moving to a place I despised to be with someone who, I quickly realized, wasn&#8217;t right for me.  But I&#8217;ve had some crazy roommates (one who had a very sheddy dog and didn&#8217;t clean for  &gt;1 year!), and with the exception of the current roommate, who&#8217;s great, I&#8217;ve generally preferred living with SOs.</p>
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		<title>By: Isa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 06:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never lived alone... I moved in with my boyfriend (sort of gradually, mostly because I found living with my parents intolerable) in my first year of college. We&#039;ve been living together at least 3 years now. We&#039;re not married, and we&#039;re OK with that. It&#039;s pretty good usually. We&#039;re both messy so there&#039;s the occasional housekeeping-related argument, but we&#039;ve got a pretty awesome place and two kitties, and we&#039;re happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never lived alone&#8230; I moved in with my boyfriend (sort of gradually, mostly because I found living with my parents intolerable) in my first year of college. We&#8217;ve been living together at least 3 years now. We&#8217;re not married, and we&#8217;re OK with that. It&#8217;s pretty good usually. We&#8217;re both messy so there&#8217;s the occasional housekeeping-related argument, but we&#8217;ve got a pretty awesome place and two kitties, and we&#8217;re happy.</p>
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		<title>By: LMN</title>
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		<dc:creator>LMN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 03:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes please do a piece on permanently unmarrieds! I&#039;ve been with Mr NY for over 6 years, he moved into my place a few months after we met and then we got another place together a year later. It&#039;s been wonderful, mostly because he&#039;s so damn upbeat and able to roll with anything, a nice counterpoint to my depressive tendencies.It helps that he is great with helping our with chores,etc. I do most food shopping and cooking only because I&#039;m better at it.Everything else we share. As happy as I am with him, I&#039;m still really glad that I lived alone for 2 years before we met. It gave me the time I needed on a lot of levels. Several years later, we are engaged (for 3 years already!) and honestly I&#039;m happy with that.I really don&#039;t feel a need to get married- we are committed to each other completely, what do we need a piece of paper to prove it for? At first I was excited to plan a wedding but life has gotten in the way- he&#039;s been unemployed,I want to go back to school- who has money for a wedding?At some point I just stopped caring about making it &quot;official&quot; and learned to just enjoy our life together. and for the record, my family doesn&#039;t hassle me about getting married anymore.they&#039;re pretty cool like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes please do a piece on permanently unmarrieds! I&#8217;ve been with Mr NY for over 6 years, he moved into my place a few months after we met and then we got another place together a year later. It&#8217;s been wonderful, mostly because he&#8217;s so damn upbeat and able to roll with anything, a nice counterpoint to my depressive tendencies.It helps that he is great with helping our with chores,etc. I do most food shopping and cooking only because I&#8217;m better at it.Everything else we share. As happy as I am with him, I&#8217;m still really glad that I lived alone for 2 years before we met. It gave me the time I needed on a lot of levels. Several years later, we are engaged (for 3 years already!) and honestly I&#8217;m happy with that.I really don&#8217;t feel a need to get married- we are committed to each other completely, what do we need a piece of paper to prove it for? At first I was excited to plan a wedding but life has gotten in the way- he&#8217;s been unemployed,I want to go back to school- who has money for a wedding?At some point I just stopped caring about making it &#8220;official&#8221; and learned to just enjoy our life together. and for the record, my family doesn&#8217;t hassle me about getting married anymore.they&#8217;re pretty cool like that.</p>
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