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		<title>By: Interesting posts, weekend of 12/6/09 &#171; Feminists with Female Sexual Dysfunction</title>
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		<dc:creator>Interesting posts, weekend of 12/6/09 &#171; Feminists with Female Sexual Dysfunction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 23:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the most frightening depictions of death &amp; darkness I have ever seen.) Speaking of authors, The She-Devil Speaks &#8211; My mom has this book, The Life &amp; Times of a She-Devil on her bookshelf &amp; I was [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the most frightening depictions of death &amp; darkness I have ever seen.) Speaking of authors, The She-Devil Speaks &#8211; My mom has this book, The Life &amp; Times of a She-Devil on her bookshelf &amp; I was [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cimorene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cimorene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is very interesting, because the women in my life seem to be getting more feminist-friendly as they age. Maybe it&#039;s just my influence. Probably not, as they generally think I&#039;m a nutter.

My grandmother&#039;s friend, for example, (a Republican) went off on a rant the other day about seeing people protest outside abortion clinics. This woman is in her 70s, and was like, &#039;All those post-menopausal women who don&#039;t have anything to worry about are annoying, but what really makes me sick is all those old men! who the hell do they think they are? They&#039;ve never even been close to that kind if situation, it&#039;s disgusting they should just leave those poor girls alone!&quot; Seriously, I was like &quot;Wuhh?&quot; And my grandmother* just kind of sat there and didn&#039;t disagree. Then she talked about how poor people keep having so many babies, and if they want an abortion they should be able to get one because having a kid is really expensive and they can&#039;t afford it...so then they just end up on welfare. It&#039;s like, one step forward and one weird pirouette back to the 1900s. 

My mother, who has always been the type who doesn&#039;t want choices because when she made the choice to marry my father, it basically ruined her life because she never really wanted kids, she just didn&#039;t know that she was capable of not wanting kids so she just had us.  And she&#039;s always been conservative, and of the getting-a-cookie-from-the-patriarchy variety. She is a hair dresser, for example. But lately she&#039;s been ALL OVER David Letterman and talking shit about people who like Roman Polanski. She even told me that if Sarah Palin was a man, they wouldn&#039;t make jokes about her the way they do. I tentatively suggested that the same was true for Hilary Clinton...and she agreed!  And she said that Letterman&#039;s rape joke about Palin&#039;s daughter was disgusting and teaching boys that it&#039;s ok to treat women like that!  

I think after decades of just acquiescing to men, they just can&#039;t fucking take it anymore. Also I really have been trying the honey not vinegar approach to feminism with them lately. But I think it might just be that as conservative women who were never interested in feminism, but who exist in a very matriarchy-friendly family structure and church structure (even though they&#039;re catholic, they&#039;re the type of catholic that builds shrines to the virgin mary and almost never, ever prays to jesus, favoring st theresa (she never lets my grandmother down!) and the virgin mary over god the dad and jesus the son). And it&#039;s like, the accrued weight of the oppression is finally so heavy they can&#039;t ignore it anymore, and their naturally spunky personalities are approaching a &quot;fuck this&quot; place--the one I reached in 6th grade. 

*Who, it should be noted (ohmygod she&#039;s so nuts), sometimes thinks abortion is ok, like when my 17 year old second cousin got pregnant and my grandmother was like &quot;she has all these liver problems her doctor told her she shouldn&#039;t have a baby because it could make her worse, AND the father is black!&quot; Black babies? Ok. White babies? Ok. But babies that have one black parent and one white parent? Probably even worse for your liver.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is very interesting, because the women in my life seem to be getting more feminist-friendly as they age. Maybe it&#8217;s just my influence. Probably not, as they generally think I&#8217;m a nutter.</p>
<p>My grandmother&#8217;s friend, for example, (a Republican) went off on a rant the other day about seeing people protest outside abortion clinics. This woman is in her 70s, and was like, &#8216;All those post-menopausal women who don&#8217;t have anything to worry about are annoying, but what really makes me sick is all those old men! who the hell do they think they are? They&#8217;ve never even been close to that kind if situation, it&#8217;s disgusting they should just leave those poor girls alone!&#8221; Seriously, I was like &#8220;Wuhh?&#8221; And my grandmother* just kind of sat there and didn&#8217;t disagree. Then she talked about how poor people keep having so many babies, and if they want an abortion they should be able to get one because having a kid is really expensive and they can&#8217;t afford it&#8230;so then they just end up on welfare. It&#8217;s like, one step forward and one weird pirouette back to the 1900s. </p>
<p>My mother, who has always been the type who doesn&#8217;t want choices because when she made the choice to marry my father, it basically ruined her life because she never really wanted kids, she just didn&#8217;t know that she was capable of not wanting kids so she just had us.  And she&#8217;s always been conservative, and of the getting-a-cookie-from-the-patriarchy variety. She is a hair dresser, for example. But lately she&#8217;s been ALL OVER David Letterman and talking shit about people who like Roman Polanski. She even told me that if Sarah Palin was a man, they wouldn&#8217;t make jokes about her the way they do. I tentatively suggested that the same was true for Hilary Clinton&#8230;and she agreed!  And she said that Letterman&#8217;s rape joke about Palin&#8217;s daughter was disgusting and teaching boys that it&#8217;s ok to treat women like that!  </p>
<p>I think after decades of just acquiescing to men, they just can&#8217;t fucking take it anymore. Also I really have been trying the honey not vinegar approach to feminism with them lately. But I think it might just be that as conservative women who were never interested in feminism, but who exist in a very matriarchy-friendly family structure and church structure (even though they&#8217;re catholic, they&#8217;re the type of catholic that builds shrines to the virgin mary and almost never, ever prays to jesus, favoring st theresa (she never lets my grandmother down!) and the virgin mary over god the dad and jesus the son). And it&#8217;s like, the accrued weight of the oppression is finally so heavy they can&#8217;t ignore it anymore, and their naturally spunky personalities are approaching a &#8220;fuck this&#8221; place&#8211;the one I reached in 6th grade. </p>
<p>*Who, it should be noted (ohmygod she&#8217;s so nuts), sometimes thinks abortion is ok, like when my 17 year old second cousin got pregnant and my grandmother was like &#8220;she has all these liver problems her doctor told her she shouldn&#8217;t have a baby because it could make her worse, AND the father is black!&#8221; Black babies? Ok. White babies? Ok. But babies that have one black parent and one white parent? Probably even worse for your liver.</p>
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		<title>By: mischiefmanager</title>
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		<dc:creator>mischiefmanager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 00:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This sort of thing is annoying, no doubt.  But the reality is that women like Weldon are running out of time to produce this sort of blather.  Something a lot more troubling to me is the lukewarm reaction of young women to the very real possibility that abortion will become inaccessible to them.  It worries me a great deal that we&#039;ve steadily lost ground in the struggle to keep our reproductive rights intact, and that young women aren&#039;t up in arms about it.  

Fay Weldon and her ilk can talk until they keel over and it won&#039;t make any real difference to anyone&#039;s life.  Not caring enough about choice to fight for it makes a huge difference to all of us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sort of thing is annoying, no doubt.  But the reality is that women like Weldon are running out of time to produce this sort of blather.  Something a lot more troubling to me is the lukewarm reaction of young women to the very real possibility that abortion will become inaccessible to them.  It worries me a great deal that we&#8217;ve steadily lost ground in the struggle to keep our reproductive rights intact, and that young women aren&#8217;t up in arms about it.  </p>
<p>Fay Weldon and her ilk can talk until they keel over and it won&#8217;t make any real difference to anyone&#8217;s life.  Not caring enough about choice to fight for it makes a huge difference to all of us.</p>
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		<title>By: bellacoker</title>
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		<dc:creator>bellacoker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems to me that a lot of 2nd Wave feminists have started forgetting their own accomplishments.  I mean, if I were Weldon, I would tell everyone who would listen how women&#039;s lives are better now because of things like, um, paychecks, and personal bank accounts, and being able to sign contracts, and stuff.

Sure, things aren&#039;t perfect and life is still hard for the vast majority of people, but better is better.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that a lot of 2nd Wave feminists have started forgetting their own accomplishments.  I mean, if I were Weldon, I would tell everyone who would listen how women&#8217;s lives are better now because of things like, um, paychecks, and personal bank accounts, and being able to sign contracts, and stuff.</p>
<p>Sure, things aren&#8217;t perfect and life is still hard for the vast majority of people, but better is better.</p>
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		<title>By: mischiefmanager</title>
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		<dc:creator>mischiefmanager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For what it&#039;s worth, my 79 year old mom is a total, hard-core, take-no-prisoners feminist.  She hasn&#039;t wavered an inch.  I hope I&#039;m just like her as I age.  And if I begin to sound like Weldon, someone please shoot me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, my 79 year old mom is a total, hard-core, take-no-prisoners feminist.  She hasn&#8217;t wavered an inch.  I hope I&#8217;m just like her as I age.  And if I begin to sound like Weldon, someone please shoot me.</p>
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		<title>By: PhDork</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhDork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Becky, it&#039;s the HARPYHIVEMIND!!!111!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Becky, it&#8217;s the HARPYHIVEMIND!!!111!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Ruth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder if it&#039;s simply the knowlage for years and years that things are so incredibly unfair that makes people crack sometimes. I really hope it doesn&#039;t happen to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if it&#8217;s simply the knowlage for years and years that things are so incredibly unfair that makes people crack sometimes. I really hope it doesn&#8217;t happen to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Tall-in-Heels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tall-in-Heels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@PhDork and Becky: What&#039;s so frustrating is how my mom seems to have lost sight of the fact that, whether you&#039;re making the choices or someone else is making them for you, you still have to face the attendant consequences.  Surely whatever sacrifices and difficulties she would have faced had she had the choice, and opted to go to college and start a career would have paled in comparison to what she endured because of her lack of options.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@PhDork and Becky: What&#8217;s so frustrating is how my mom seems to have lost sight of the fact that, whether you&#8217;re making the choices or someone else is making them for you, you still have to face the attendant consequences.  Surely whatever sacrifices and difficulties she would have faced had she had the choice, and opted to go to college and start a career would have paled in comparison to what she endured because of her lack of options.</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Holy Crap, PhDork and I are not only in agreement, we&#039;re writing the EXACT SAME LINES.

Dorky, I think we&#039;re spending too much time together. I knew this might happen when you moved around the corner.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy Crap, PhDork and I are not only in agreement, we&#8217;re writing the EXACT SAME LINES.</p>
<p>Dorky, I think we&#8217;re spending too much time together. I knew this might happen when you moved around the corner.</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Tall: &lt;em&gt; Granted, it’s sometimes easier to have fewer choices. Choices invariably beget consequences. Sometimes the “right” choice is not obvious. It can be hard. I think she focuses in retrospect so much on the “ease” of not having to make choices and face consequences that she forgets the ugliness and frustration of having your role predetermined to a great extent.&lt;/em&gt;

DING DING DING!

I think that&#039;s it exactly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tall: <em> Granted, it’s sometimes easier to have fewer choices. Choices invariably beget consequences. Sometimes the “right” choice is not obvious. It can be hard. I think she focuses in retrospect so much on the “ease” of not having to make choices and face consequences that she forgets the ugliness and frustration of having your role predetermined to a great extent.</em></p>
<p>DING DING DING!</p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s it exactly.</p>
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