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		<title>By: Taybeh Chaser</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/12/03/have-yourself-a-rapey-little-christmas/comment-page-2/#comment-19158</link>
		<dc:creator>Taybeh Chaser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Heard this song, which had annoyed me since the age of 8 or so for no clear reason, recently on the radio and thought, &quot;Holy crap, that&#039;s about date rape!&quot; Nice to know I had such good instincts as a kid.

On another topic, in Israel (lived there for a year and a half) even the most important major Jewish holidays are not cranked up to the unmanageable level of insanity that Christmas is in the US. Shopping picks up reasonably before holidays like Rosh Ha-Shanah and Passover, and the latter involves some restrictions on what kinds of foods are sold in many stores, but none of this lasts a solid two months the way the Christmas season does these days, and there are no annoying songs repeated ad nauseum. Traffic may shut down on Yom Kippur, but that&#039;s about as potentially inconvenient as it got for me, as a non-Jew, and nothing you&#039;d drive to is open anyway. Hanukkah is a relatively small celebration there, I suspect because no one feels like they are competing with someone else&#039;s winter holiday. Having also lived on the other side of the wall/fence/insert-your-preferred-term-here, I can tell you that Ramadan, despite actually legitimately lasting a month plus involving a strict fast, is relatively easy to ignore, should the non-Muslim visitor wish to do so. (I can live without eating falafel mid-street at mid-day.) And even in flippin&#039; *Bethlehem* Christmas is a less in-your-face consumer affair than in the US. Possibly it&#039;s because there is somewhat less emphasis on buying shit in these cultures, or less money to buy it with. It&#039;s always readily evident when these holidays and celebrations are occurring and people are ready with polite invites to dinners and parties, but I never felt they were being shoved down my throat or that assumptions were being made about my celebrating or not celebrating. It likely would have been different had I been born in the region, particularly with the two more recruitment-happy monotheisms, but that isn&#039;t something I&#039;m qualified to address.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heard this song, which had annoyed me since the age of 8 or so for no clear reason, recently on the radio and thought, &#8220;Holy crap, that&#8217;s about date rape!&#8221; Nice to know I had such good instincts as a kid.</p>
<p>On another topic, in Israel (lived there for a year and a half) even the most important major Jewish holidays are not cranked up to the unmanageable level of insanity that Christmas is in the US. Shopping picks up reasonably before holidays like Rosh Ha-Shanah and Passover, and the latter involves some restrictions on what kinds of foods are sold in many stores, but none of this lasts a solid two months the way the Christmas season does these days, and there are no annoying songs repeated ad nauseum. Traffic may shut down on Yom Kippur, but that&#8217;s about as potentially inconvenient as it got for me, as a non-Jew, and nothing you&#8217;d drive to is open anyway. Hanukkah is a relatively small celebration there, I suspect because no one feels like they are competing with someone else&#8217;s winter holiday. Having also lived on the other side of the wall/fence/insert-your-preferred-term-here, I can tell you that Ramadan, despite actually legitimately lasting a month plus involving a strict fast, is relatively easy to ignore, should the non-Muslim visitor wish to do so. (I can live without eating falafel mid-street at mid-day.) And even in flippin&#8217; *Bethlehem* Christmas is a less in-your-face consumer affair than in the US. Possibly it&#8217;s because there is somewhat less emphasis on buying shit in these cultures, or less money to buy it with. It&#8217;s always readily evident when these holidays and celebrations are occurring and people are ready with polite invites to dinners and parties, but I never felt they were being shoved down my throat or that assumptions were being made about my celebrating or not celebrating. It likely would have been different had I been born in the region, particularly with the two more recruitment-happy monotheisms, but that isn&#8217;t something I&#8217;m qualified to address.</p>
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		<title>By: bellacoker</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/12/03/have-yourself-a-rapey-little-christmas/comment-page-2/#comment-18853</link>
		<dc:creator>bellacoker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 08:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lol!  Shorter Feminist in Academia:  Radical feminists are radical.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol!  Shorter Feminist in Academia:  Radical feminists are radical.</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/12/03/have-yourself-a-rapey-little-christmas/comment-page-1/#comment-18851</link>
		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 23:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Feminist in Academia: I do not find your comment particularly enriching or informative.

&lt;em&gt; I&#039;m a fan of this rape-y song BUT also a feminist, therefore the song can&#039;t be rape-y!

My friends have been raped BUT I think talking about music and rape culture is too radical! &lt;/em&gt;

I&#039;m no academic, but I seem to recall learning at some point in my education when you have to qualify your statements with such illogical personal protests as &quot;Well, I&#039;m a...but I...&quot; or &quot;some of my best friends are...but I...!&quot; it&#039;s a sign you either don&#039;t have valid argument or don&#039;t know how to make one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Feminist in Academia: I do not find your comment particularly enriching or informative.</p>
<p><em> I&#8217;m a fan of this rape-y song BUT also a feminist, therefore the song can&#8217;t be rape-y!</p>
<p>My friends have been raped BUT I think talking about music and rape culture is too radical! </em></p>
<p>I&#8217;m no academic, but I seem to recall learning at some point in my education when you have to qualify your statements with such illogical personal protests as &#8220;Well, I&#8217;m a&#8230;but I&#8230;&#8221; or &#8220;some of my best friends are&#8230;but I&#8230;!&#8221; it&#8217;s a sign you either don&#8217;t have valid argument or don&#8217;t know how to make one.</p>
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		<title>By: SarahMC</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/12/03/have-yourself-a-rapey-little-christmas/comment-page-1/#comment-18850</link>
		<dc:creator>SarahMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 23:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Feminist in Academia, I apologize that my post does not live up to your standards.  This song was written as a family pop Christmas tune and the theme is a man coercing a woman into staying with him - presumably for sex.  THAT&#039;S THE POINT.  It&#039;s a family Christmas song with a rapey theme and most people see nothing wrong with it!

Yours, 
SarahMC
Taking feminist radicalism to an extreme since 2009.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feminist in Academia, I apologize that my post does not live up to your standards.  This song was written as a family pop Christmas tune and the theme is a man coercing a woman into staying with him &#8211; presumably for sex.  THAT&#8217;S THE POINT.  It&#8217;s a family Christmas song with a rapey theme and most people see nothing wrong with it!</p>
<p>Yours,<br />
SarahMC<br />
Taking feminist radicalism to an extreme since 2009.</p>
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		<title>By: Feminist in Academia</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/12/03/have-yourself-a-rapey-little-christmas/comment-page-1/#comment-18848</link>
		<dc:creator>Feminist in Academia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a big fan of the Ray Charles, Nina Simone version of this song, and also consider myself a feminist. I have had many friends who have been raped, and yet I think that this post is taking the idea of feminist radicalism to an extreme. This song was written in 1944, as a family &quot;pop&quot; Christmas tune, and I do not find this post enriching or informative.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a big fan of the Ray Charles, Nina Simone version of this song, and also consider myself a feminist. I have had many friends who have been raped, and yet I think that this post is taking the idea of feminist radicalism to an extreme. This song was written in 1944, as a family &#8220;pop&#8221; Christmas tune, and I do not find this post enriching or informative.</p>
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		<title>By: mischiefmanager</title>
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		<dc:creator>mischiefmanager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Word, BeckyS and baraqiel.  It makes me cringe in embarrassment when I see those fools with the giant menorahs on their cars driving around the neighborhood.  And why do we need a hanukiah every time there&#039;s a Christmas tree?  The inflation of this minor festival by the Jewish right wing baffles me.  It warps the calendar and tries to compete with our Christian friends in way that is entirely selfish and provocative.  

And really, do we see a lot of Christians expressing happiness about the commercialization of one of their major holidays?  I thought not.  Then why would we want to do the same thing to an observance that even the rabbis didn&#039;t want to talk about?  Yet again, right-wing Jew fail.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Word, BeckyS and baraqiel.  It makes me cringe in embarrassment when I see those fools with the giant menorahs on their cars driving around the neighborhood.  And why do we need a hanukiah every time there&#8217;s a Christmas tree?  The inflation of this minor festival by the Jewish right wing baffles me.  It warps the calendar and tries to compete with our Christian friends in way that is entirely selfish and provocative.  </p>
<p>And really, do we see a lot of Christians expressing happiness about the commercialization of one of their major holidays?  I thought not.  Then why would we want to do the same thing to an observance that even the rabbis didn&#8217;t want to talk about?  Yet again, right-wing Jew fail.</p>
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		<title>By: baraqiel</title>
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		<dc:creator>baraqiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 03:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Brennan - No worries, being careful about language is one of my big things.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brennan &#8211; No worries, being careful about language is one of my big things.</p>
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		<title>By: Brennan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brennan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 00:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@baraquiel-Bad choice of words (again) on  my part.  I happen to belong to the half of the population that &quot;gets it a little bit worse,&quot; which is part of the reason I back away as quickly as possible from this particular song.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@baraquiel-Bad choice of words (again) on  my part.  I happen to belong to the half of the population that &#8220;gets it a little bit worse,&#8221; which is part of the reason I back away as quickly as possible from this particular song.</p>
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		<title>By: baraqiel</title>
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		<dc:creator>baraqiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 23:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Brennan - I understand the point you&#039;re trying to make and I think your intentions are good, but rape culture is not fucking us all over equally.  It is fucking us all over, but one half of the population gets it a little bit worse, in point of fact.

But otherwise, thanks for the apology.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brennan &#8211; I understand the point you&#8217;re trying to make and I think your intentions are good, but rape culture is not fucking us all over equally.  It is fucking us all over, but one half of the population gets it a little bit worse, in point of fact.</p>
<p>But otherwise, thanks for the apology.</p>
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		<title>By: Brennan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brennan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 16:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ baraquiel

You make a fair point.  I was just trying to communicate that this song, while it has been co-opted by Christmas culture, is much more reflective of rape culture, which is fucking us all over equally.  I&#039;m sorry if my remarks came across as contentious or offensive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ baraquiel</p>
<p>You make a fair point.  I was just trying to communicate that this song, while it has been co-opted by Christmas culture, is much more reflective of rape culture, which is fucking us all over equally.  I&#8217;m sorry if my remarks came across as contentious or offensive.</p>
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