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		<title>By: Anonyma</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/12/07/dont-carry-the-blame-an-overshare/comment-page-1/#comment-18909</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonyma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Jenny:  &quot;However, I *love* her, she’s my mom, and it really hurts to know that I can’t trust her&quot; - exactly.

@Anka: Well, reading through a list of symptoms, a lot of them fit, but some (impulsive behavior) don&#039;t.  And, since she&#039;s been in therapy, and you&#039;d think if there was a diagnosis there she would have got it by now... But in any case, the experience of dealing with someone with these kinds of problems, whether they&#039;re pathological or not, is universally frustrating.  Thanks for sharing your situation, and I&#039;m glad that you have come to peace with it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jenny:  &#8220;However, I *love* her, she’s my mom, and it really hurts to know that I can’t trust her&#8221; &#8211; exactly.</p>
<p>@Anka: Well, reading through a list of symptoms, a lot of them fit, but some (impulsive behavior) don&#8217;t.  And, since she&#8217;s been in therapy, and you&#8217;d think if there was a diagnosis there she would have got it by now&#8230; But in any case, the experience of dealing with someone with these kinds of problems, whether they&#8217;re pathological or not, is universally frustrating.  Thanks for sharing your situation, and I&#8217;m glad that you have come to peace with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/12/07/dont-carry-the-blame-an-overshare/comment-page-1/#comment-18896</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Anonyma, I know how you feel. My mom is emotionally abusive as well, and it really sucks knowing that you can&#039;t trust anything she says. I live on my own now, and can limit contact, and thankfully as long as I keep our visits short, I can avoid the worst of her manipulation. However, I *love* her, she&#039;s my mom, and it really hurts to know that I can&#039;t trust her.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Anonyma, I know how you feel. My mom is emotionally abusive as well, and it really sucks knowing that you can&#8217;t trust anything she says. I live on my own now, and can limit contact, and thankfully as long as I keep our visits short, I can avoid the worst of her manipulation. However, I *love* her, she&#8217;s my mom, and it really hurts to know that I can&#8217;t trust her.</p>
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		<title>By: Anka</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/12/07/dont-carry-the-blame-an-overshare/comment-page-1/#comment-18887</link>
		<dc:creator>Anka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 22:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[*delurking*

Anonyma--is it possible that your mother might have Borderline Personality Disorder? My (late) mother did, and I found this website that was even more helpful for me than the therapy I&#039;ve occasionally had access to over the years:

www.bpdfamily.com


I&#039;m the only person in our family, nuclear or extended, who acknowledges that my mother was (physically, emotionally, etc., but especially emotionally) abusive, even though some people have witnessed it, and I&#039;ve been shunned by some people as a result, and stay away from others out of a sense of self-preservation. It took a while to stabilize emotionally after going no-contact with her, but for me at least, it&#039;s been the right decision. I don&#039;t want to carry the shame that ought to be hers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*delurking*</p>
<p>Anonyma&#8211;is it possible that your mother might have Borderline Personality Disorder? My (late) mother did, and I found this website that was even more helpful for me than the therapy I&#8217;ve occasionally had access to over the years:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bpdfamily.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.bpdfamily.com</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m the only person in our family, nuclear or extended, who acknowledges that my mother was (physically, emotionally, etc., but especially emotionally) abusive, even though some people have witnessed it, and I&#8217;ve been shunned by some people as a result, and stay away from others out of a sense of self-preservation. It took a while to stabilize emotionally after going no-contact with her, but for me at least, it&#8217;s been the right decision. I don&#8217;t want to carry the shame that ought to be hers.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonyma</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/12/07/dont-carry-the-blame-an-overshare/comment-page-1/#comment-18864</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonyma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Becky - Yes, I&#039;ve actually thought that, but it&#039;s a bit difficult for practical reasons (insurance) right now.  Hopefully that will be improving soon though.  On a side note, I didn&#039;t mean to sound so judgey about her therapy - I DO realize it&#039;s not for my benefit, but I get frustrated with it, because she&#039;ll tell me things her therapist said (I don&#039;t ask, she wields it like a weapon) about various things that say to me that she is twisting the truth in those sessions - which is unfortunately consistent with other behaviors.  Anyway, enough about that, don&#039;t mean to take up the entire conversation with it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Becky &#8211; Yes, I&#8217;ve actually thought that, but it&#8217;s a bit difficult for practical reasons (insurance) right now.  Hopefully that will be improving soon though.  On a side note, I didn&#8217;t mean to sound so judgey about her therapy &#8211; I DO realize it&#8217;s not for my benefit, but I get frustrated with it, because she&#8217;ll tell me things her therapist said (I don&#8217;t ask, she wields it like a weapon) about various things that say to me that she is twisting the truth in those sessions &#8211; which is unfortunately consistent with other behaviors.  Anyway, enough about that, don&#8217;t mean to take up the entire conversation with it!</p>
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		<title>By: theorchidthief</title>
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		<dc:creator>theorchidthief</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I will have to read and respond to most of this at home bc it hits WAY too close to home but I have tons of advice for the anonymous writer/survivor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will have to read and respond to most of this at home bc it hits WAY too close to home but I have tons of advice for the anonymous writer/survivor.</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Anyonyma: It&#039;s worth getting counselling for yourself just to take care of YOU. It&#039;s probably good that your mom&#039;s in therapy--whether it works or not--but her therapist is responsible for HER treatment, not yours, which is why joint sessions feel that way. If you want someone to help you figure out how to protect yourself from/cope with your mom&#039;s behavior, you should find your own therapist, who will be sympathetic to you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Anyonyma: It&#8217;s worth getting counselling for yourself just to take care of YOU. It&#8217;s probably good that your mom&#8217;s in therapy&#8211;whether it works or not&#8211;but her therapist is responsible for HER treatment, not yours, which is why joint sessions feel that way. If you want someone to help you figure out how to protect yourself from/cope with your mom&#8217;s behavior, you should find your own therapist, who will be sympathetic to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonyma</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/12/07/dont-carry-the-blame-an-overshare/comment-page-1/#comment-18861</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonyma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Becky: Thanks for your reply.  My mother&#039;s in counseling (but it seems to be worth nothing, since I haven&#039;t seen any improvements - maybe because she manipulates the therapist), and I&#039;ve done joint sessions where I go along, but never found them helpful. It was always as if the deck was stacked against me, since she was seeing the therapist all the time and it was the only time I was there.  She also had a tendency to come with a laundry list of things to say, and I ended up just responding to them.  I&#039;ve thought about going to one on my own, but haven&#039;t so far, although I do think it might be a good idea.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Becky: Thanks for your reply.  My mother&#8217;s in counseling (but it seems to be worth nothing, since I haven&#8217;t seen any improvements &#8211; maybe because she manipulates the therapist), and I&#8217;ve done joint sessions where I go along, but never found them helpful. It was always as if the deck was stacked against me, since she was seeing the therapist all the time and it was the only time I was there.  She also had a tendency to come with a laundry list of things to say, and I ended up just responding to them.  I&#8217;ve thought about going to one on my own, but haven&#8217;t so far, although I do think it might be a good idea.</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/12/07/dont-carry-the-blame-an-overshare/comment-page-1/#comment-18860</link>
		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Anonyma: I tend to agree with this post that you don&#039;t have to be around anyone you don&#039;t want to. If your mother hurts you and it negatively affects your life, you should feel completely free to reduce contact with her. Just because someone&#039;s a member of our families doesn&#039;t mean we&#039;re obligated to put up with their abuse. 

I had to take this tactic with a couple family members whose behavior I find toxic and hurtful. My mental health and peace of mind is my highest priority. I finally learned that &lt;em&gt; I have to take care of myself. &lt;/em&gt; That means I choose NOT to be around people who hurt me or make me unhappy with their emotional manipulation, toxicity or abuse. I know the fact that your mom&#039;s dependent on you makes it difficult to extricate yourself entirely...have you sought help from a therapist? They can help you learn to set boundaries--not only with your mom, but in terms of understanding what your limits are and when your self-protective instincts should kick in.

In general, no one should ever have to apologize for self-protecting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Anonyma: I tend to agree with this post that you don&#8217;t have to be around anyone you don&#8217;t want to. If your mother hurts you and it negatively affects your life, you should feel completely free to reduce contact with her. Just because someone&#8217;s a member of our families doesn&#8217;t mean we&#8217;re obligated to put up with their abuse. </p>
<p>I had to take this tactic with a couple family members whose behavior I find toxic and hurtful. My mental health and peace of mind is my highest priority. I finally learned that <em> I have to take care of myself. </em> That means I choose NOT to be around people who hurt me or make me unhappy with their emotional manipulation, toxicity or abuse. I know the fact that your mom&#8217;s dependent on you makes it difficult to extricate yourself entirely&#8230;have you sought help from a therapist? They can help you learn to set boundaries&#8211;not only with your mom, but in terms of understanding what your limits are and when your self-protective instincts should kick in.</p>
<p>In general, no one should ever have to apologize for self-protecting.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonyma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonyma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sarah, that&#039;s such a sad story, I&#039;m so sorry.  I was, thankfully, never abused, but someone close to me was.  I have met the abuser at parties and, at the request of the victim, acted normal - and found it was difficult to contain my disdain and anger.  I can&#039;t even imagine being in the position of the victim in that situation.

I don&#039;t want to threadjack and am hesitant about writing this next bit - you can delete it if you think it doesn&#039;t fit. But basically, DangerMouse&#039;s comment made me think about the question of emotional abuse.  My mother is emotionally abusive and has been for many years - I think she has serious mental problems.  She&#039;s also very dependent on me emotionally, which makes the situation very difficult.  Some people have suggested to me that it would be good to limit contact, but the thing is, I find emotional abuse much less clear-cut than physical, and of course it is such a close relationship, where I feel such a sense of responsibility, that I don&#039;t know what to do.  Right now, I try to live my own life, set boundaries where I can, and see her behavior in a compassionate light as much as I can (she really does not understand what she is doing), but it&#039;s hard to know &quot;what&#039;s right&quot;. So I&#039;d be interested in hearing others&#039; viewpoints on how to deal with emotional abuse, too - as I said, only if you feel that&#039;s appropriate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah, that&#8217;s such a sad story, I&#8217;m so sorry.  I was, thankfully, never abused, but someone close to me was.  I have met the abuser at parties and, at the request of the victim, acted normal &#8211; and found it was difficult to contain my disdain and anger.  I can&#8217;t even imagine being in the position of the victim in that situation.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to threadjack and am hesitant about writing this next bit &#8211; you can delete it if you think it doesn&#8217;t fit. But basically, DangerMouse&#8217;s comment made me think about the question of emotional abuse.  My mother is emotionally abusive and has been for many years &#8211; I think she has serious mental problems.  She&#8217;s also very dependent on me emotionally, which makes the situation very difficult.  Some people have suggested to me that it would be good to limit contact, but the thing is, I find emotional abuse much less clear-cut than physical, and of course it is such a close relationship, where I feel such a sense of responsibility, that I don&#8217;t know what to do.  Right now, I try to live my own life, set boundaries where I can, and see her behavior in a compassionate light as much as I can (she really does not understand what she is doing), but it&#8217;s hard to know &#8220;what&#8217;s right&#8221;. So I&#8217;d be interested in hearing others&#8217; viewpoints on how to deal with emotional abuse, too &#8211; as I said, only if you feel that&#8217;s appropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: sarah.of.a.lesser.god</title>
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		<dc:creator>sarah.of.a.lesser.god</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you, thank you, thank you for this powerful piece that actually made me cry.  I was sexually abused by my cousin when I was 6 (he&#039;s 10 years older) and my mother never did anything about it because she didn&#039;t feel she had enough &quot;proof&quot; to bring up something that she felt would tear the family apart, and only confessed last year that she knew it happened.  I had the odd experience yesterday of being at a funeral at which said cousin was mentioned (he wasn&#039;t the one who died) as being someone who my grandfather always supported even though he &quot;made some mistakes.&quot;  The cousin is now in prison for an unrelated offense and I wanted to scream because I wondered how my grandfather (and everyone else) would have felt if they knew that my cousin&#039;s mistakes included molesting me.  A huge part of me is actually happy he&#039;s in prison because I never have to have to endure the torturous awkwardness of pretending everything&#039;s fine at Chanukah and Thanksgiving and so on.  My guess is my cousin thinks I didn&#039;t retain/remember any of what happened, let alone that my mother actually saw it, or that it left some lasting scars.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, thank you, thank you for this powerful piece that actually made me cry.  I was sexually abused by my cousin when I was 6 (he&#8217;s 10 years older) and my mother never did anything about it because she didn&#8217;t feel she had enough &#8220;proof&#8221; to bring up something that she felt would tear the family apart, and only confessed last year that she knew it happened.  I had the odd experience yesterday of being at a funeral at which said cousin was mentioned (he wasn&#8217;t the one who died) as being someone who my grandfather always supported even though he &#8220;made some mistakes.&#8221;  The cousin is now in prison for an unrelated offense and I wanted to scream because I wondered how my grandfather (and everyone else) would have felt if they knew that my cousin&#8217;s mistakes included molesting me.  A huge part of me is actually happy he&#8217;s in prison because I never have to have to endure the torturous awkwardness of pretending everything&#8217;s fine at Chanukah and Thanksgiving and so on.  My guess is my cousin thinks I didn&#8217;t retain/remember any of what happened, let alone that my mother actually saw it, or that it left some lasting scars.</p>
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