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	<title>Comments on: Harpy Seminar: Do Your Calories Count You?</title>
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		<title>By: mischiefmanager</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/12/07/harpy-seminar-do-your-calories-count-you/comment-page-1/#comment-18974</link>
		<dc:creator>mischiefmanager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 02:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[VaS, that makes a lot of sense.  I like the booklet idea.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VaS, that makes a lot of sense.  I like the booklet idea.</p>
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		<title>By: VaS</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/12/07/harpy-seminar-do-your-calories-count-you/comment-page-1/#comment-18954</link>
		<dc:creator>VaS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, but I think that most people expect to encounter possibly triggering material in certain places, say, a newspaper.  Those places can be approached with the necessary caution and they&#039;re somewhat easy to avoid.  There are quite a few stories on the news that the anchors will preface with a warning about being potentially upsetting.  They already provide warnings of potentially triggering material in a lot of places as well.  Movies, TV, and video games have ratings.  Music and books have adult content warnings.  These aren&#039;t 100% fool proof but they are there and they do provide warning.

In the specific example of Calorie counts there are ways of making that info available to people who want it without forcing those triggered by it to see it: the booklet or even the back of the menu.  It&#039;s a little thing, easily updated and easily avoided if you don&#039;t want to read it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but I think that most people expect to encounter possibly triggering material in certain places, say, a newspaper.  Those places can be approached with the necessary caution and they&#8217;re somewhat easy to avoid.  There are quite a few stories on the news that the anchors will preface with a warning about being potentially upsetting.  They already provide warnings of potentially triggering material in a lot of places as well.  Movies, TV, and video games have ratings.  Music and books have adult content warnings.  These aren&#8217;t 100% fool proof but they are there and they do provide warning.</p>
<p>In the specific example of Calorie counts there are ways of making that info available to people who want it without forcing those triggered by it to see it: the booklet or even the back of the menu.  It&#8217;s a little thing, easily updated and easily avoided if you don&#8217;t want to read it.</p>
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		<title>By: mischiefmanager</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/12/07/harpy-seminar-do-your-calories-count-you/comment-page-1/#comment-18920</link>
		<dc:creator>mischiefmanager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok, but I&#039;m asking a larger question.  a lot  of information gets published in media of all kinds which can have an upsetting and/or triggering effect on someone who sees or reads it.  How, then, do we decide what should or shouldn&#039;t be published?   Newspapers and news sites can&#039;t realistically put warnings on every story that might cause a negative emotional reaction in a reader.  But on the other hand, it does seem that, at least in theory, we should be able to go about our lives without living in constant fear of being triggered.  I&#039;m asking how we balance those interests.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, but I&#8217;m asking a larger question.  a lot  of information gets published in media of all kinds which can have an upsetting and/or triggering effect on someone who sees or reads it.  How, then, do we decide what should or shouldn&#8217;t be published?   Newspapers and news sites can&#8217;t realistically put warnings on every story that might cause a negative emotional reaction in a reader.  But on the other hand, it does seem that, at least in theory, we should be able to go about our lives without living in constant fear of being triggered.  I&#8217;m asking how we balance those interests.</p>
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		<title>By: bluebears</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/12/07/harpy-seminar-do-your-calories-count-you/comment-page-1/#comment-18910</link>
		<dc:creator>bluebears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 13:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Lyndsay: That would be better. If a patron requested the nutritional info they could get it, but those who don&#039;t want to know wouldn&#039;t have to have it in their faces.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lyndsay: That would be better. If a patron requested the nutritional info they could get it, but those who don&#8217;t want to know wouldn&#8217;t have to have it in their faces.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyndsay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyndsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 03:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I also agree with drahill. The only things likely to make me consider not eating something are if I found out it had more trans fats or more sodium than expected. Calorie counts alone sound useless to me but possibly interesting to know. I mean it doesn&#039;t seem fair that every single thing in a grocery store has to have nutritional information and restaurants haven&#039;t had to share anything until recently. But then again, would I really want to know? Would I stop enjoying certain foods? So I guess I think restaurants should have info on ingredients and nutrition available but not in your face.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also agree with drahill. The only things likely to make me consider not eating something are if I found out it had more trans fats or more sodium than expected. Calorie counts alone sound useless to me but possibly interesting to know. I mean it doesn&#8217;t seem fair that every single thing in a grocery store has to have nutritional information and restaurants haven&#8217;t had to share anything until recently. But then again, would I really want to know? Would I stop enjoying certain foods? So I guess I think restaurants should have info on ingredients and nutrition available but not in your face.</p>
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		<title>By: Kazul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kazul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 02:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;And which I do find is sometimes helped by calorie counts simply because it helps me feel out whether I’m really hungry, or just looking to eat some feelings.&quot;

This. I&#039;m somewhat overweight, according to the BMI scale (27), and have emotional eating tendencies so the calorie count helps me decide if I *really* want to eat it or I&#039;m just bored. It&#039;s also helpful if I&#039;m out at some godforsaken chain restaurant and not wanting to eat enough calories to sustain three people. It&#039;s a tricky thing, calorie counts, but I&#039;m of the opinion that a bit more information doesn&#039;t hurt, for me. I also prefer the booklet, if available - although it has a limited audience. These are my personal preferences, as someone who has never embarked on a serious calorie-restriction regimen.

I also read &lt;i&gt;Fat is a Feminist Issue&lt;/i&gt; over the summer and it really helped me get over a lot of issues I had about food and eating, and enjoying myself. Which reminds me, I need to go over it again, as the scale in the bathroom and my Wii Fit are both negatively affecting my self-image.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And which I do find is sometimes helped by calorie counts simply because it helps me feel out whether I’m really hungry, or just looking to eat some feelings.&#8221;</p>
<p>This. I&#8217;m somewhat overweight, according to the BMI scale (27), and have emotional eating tendencies so the calorie count helps me decide if I *really* want to eat it or I&#8217;m just bored. It&#8217;s also helpful if I&#8217;m out at some godforsaken chain restaurant and not wanting to eat enough calories to sustain three people. It&#8217;s a tricky thing, calorie counts, but I&#8217;m of the opinion that a bit more information doesn&#8217;t hurt, for me. I also prefer the booklet, if available &#8211; although it has a limited audience. These are my personal preferences, as someone who has never embarked on a serious calorie-restriction regimen.</p>
<p>I also read <i>Fat is a Feminist Issue</i> over the summer and it really helped me get over a lot of issues I had about food and eating, and enjoying myself. Which reminds me, I need to go over it again, as the scale in the bathroom and my Wii Fit are both negatively affecting my self-image.</p>
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		<title>By: VaS</title>
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		<dc:creator>VaS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 01:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@MM

Logically, just because it irritates me it doesn&#039;t mean the info shouldn&#039;t be available to someone who wants it.  That said, just because so-and-so wants it doesn&#039;t mean it should be shoved in my face either.  California passed a law that restaurants had to post the Calorie counts of their food.  The way many of the places I usually go to handle it is to have the info in the booklet with all of the booze and desserts.  I prefer that to what some other places have done which is putting the Calories at the end of the description in the menu.  If I don&#039;t want to look at it, I don&#039;t pick up the booklet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@MM</p>
<p>Logically, just because it irritates me it doesn&#8217;t mean the info shouldn&#8217;t be available to someone who wants it.  That said, just because so-and-so wants it doesn&#8217;t mean it should be shoved in my face either.  California passed a law that restaurants had to post the Calorie counts of their food.  The way many of the places I usually go to handle it is to have the info in the booklet with all of the booze and desserts.  I prefer that to what some other places have done which is putting the Calories at the end of the description in the menu.  If I don&#8217;t want to look at it, I don&#8217;t pick up the booklet.</p>
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		<title>By: vegkitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>vegkitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with drahill.  The more I learn about food, the more I realize that calories aren&#039;t really what I need to pay attention to.  I try to get lots of fiber, vitamins, minerals, etc., but I don&#039;t really think about calories.

When I was knee-deep in body hate, though, I would obsess over calories, WW points, and the like.  Posted calorie counts, probably, would have helped in the obsession and the categorization of foods as &quot;good&quot; and &quot;bad.&quot;

I live in the south, though, so I doubt we&#039;ll be getting posted calorie counts any time soon.  Ah, Waffle House.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with drahill.  The more I learn about food, the more I realize that calories aren&#8217;t really what I need to pay attention to.  I try to get lots of fiber, vitamins, minerals, etc., but I don&#8217;t really think about calories.</p>
<p>When I was knee-deep in body hate, though, I would obsess over calories, WW points, and the like.  Posted calorie counts, probably, would have helped in the obsession and the categorization of foods as &#8220;good&#8221; and &#8220;bad.&#8221;</p>
<p>I live in the south, though, so I doubt we&#8217;ll be getting posted calorie counts any time soon.  Ah, Waffle House.</p>
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		<title>By: Tall-in-Heels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tall-in-Heels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MM-
I think we need a complete overhaul of how we think about food and health in this country.  That includes greater scrutiny and exposure of Big Agribusiness and Big Food, an honest approach towards changing the socio-economic and cultural factors that affect people&#039;s ability to eat and exercise for health, and the immediate death of the notion that weight is the true indicator of health, among other things.  Not that I think that&#039;ll ever happen.  The &quot;Bigs&quot; and the Diet Industry are capitalism&#039;s sweethearts, and so long as money talks the loudest, things won&#039;t change much.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MM-<br />
I think we need a complete overhaul of how we think about food and health in this country.  That includes greater scrutiny and exposure of Big Agribusiness and Big Food, an honest approach towards changing the socio-economic and cultural factors that affect people&#8217;s ability to eat and exercise for health, and the immediate death of the notion that weight is the true indicator of health, among other things.  Not that I think that&#8217;ll ever happen.  The &#8220;Bigs&#8221; and the Diet Industry are capitalism&#8217;s sweethearts, and so long as money talks the loudest, things won&#8217;t change much.</p>
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		<title>By: bellacoker</title>
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		<dc:creator>bellacoker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 23:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m an intuitive eater, so posted calorie counts generally make me pause but not change course.  

I&#039;ve never been good at dieting, I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever been on a diet that lasted more than a couple of days, so I reframed my complete lack of willpower as something positive.  

The thing that pisses me off most about diet culture and how this conversation is framed as being about &quot;health&quot; is this:  If we were really concerned about people&#039;s health we would stop making this an issue of personal choices and police corporations whose decisions negatively impact the health of millions of people everyday.

We are so obsessed with personal responsibility that we think people should be able to project some kind of bubble of self-defense that keeps us all svelte and healthy even in the face of, I don&#039;t know, free-floating dioxins and stuff.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an intuitive eater, so posted calorie counts generally make me pause but not change course.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never been good at dieting, I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever been on a diet that lasted more than a couple of days, so I reframed my complete lack of willpower as something positive.  </p>
<p>The thing that pisses me off most about diet culture and how this conversation is framed as being about &#8220;health&#8221; is this:  If we were really concerned about people&#8217;s health we would stop making this an issue of personal choices and police corporations whose decisions negatively impact the health of millions of people everyday.</p>
<p>We are so obsessed with personal responsibility that we think people should be able to project some kind of bubble of self-defense that keeps us all svelte and healthy even in the face of, I don&#8217;t know, free-floating dioxins and stuff.</p>
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