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		<title>By: Christina</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2009/12/09/how-do-you-learn-independence/comment-page-1/#comment-19156</link>
		<dc:creator>Christina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sorry for your loss, too.

We&#039;re dealing with a similar situation in my family, too. My grandfather has dementia which has pretty much taken away his short-term memory ability. But, because he always handled the fiances, he still handles the fiances. He also shouldn&#039;t be driving the car either but because he&#039;s always done that, he still does it. 

My grandfather is also a very stubborn and willful person who treats a suggestion like &quot;maybe grandma should drive&quot; as a personal attack. 

My grandma is a smart, outgoing lady and is perfectly capable of doing anything herself, but it&#039;s like these things are my grandfather&#039;s territory so she won&#039;t touch them. They&#039;re stuck in old, stupid patterns. Besides it being frustrating to watch this play out, I am a little worried that when she actually must take over the fiances she won&#039;t do it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry for your loss, too.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re dealing with a similar situation in my family, too. My grandfather has dementia which has pretty much taken away his short-term memory ability. But, because he always handled the fiances, he still handles the fiances. He also shouldn&#8217;t be driving the car either but because he&#8217;s always done that, he still does it. </p>
<p>My grandfather is also a very stubborn and willful person who treats a suggestion like &#8220;maybe grandma should drive&#8221; as a personal attack. </p>
<p>My grandma is a smart, outgoing lady and is perfectly capable of doing anything herself, but it&#8217;s like these things are my grandfather&#8217;s territory so she won&#8217;t touch them. They&#8217;re stuck in old, stupid patterns. Besides it being frustrating to watch this play out, I am a little worried that when she actually must take over the fiances she won&#8217;t do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Imogen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Imogen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 02:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m so sorry for your family&#039;s loss.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so sorry for your family&#8217;s loss.</p>
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		<title>By: sarah.of.a.lesser.god</title>
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		<dc:creator>sarah.of.a.lesser.god</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 01:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;strong&gt;rodriguez:&lt;/strong&gt; You do not sound whiny AT ALL!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<strong>rodriguez:</strong> You do not sound whiny AT ALL!</p>
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		<title>By: wondering</title>
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		<dc:creator>wondering</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I recently had this conversation with my mom and grandma. While both women handle the household finances and my mom has a job, in both cases the bank accounts are joint and neither woman has any form of credit history &lt;i&gt;in their own names&lt;/i&gt;. They are all Mrs [male name] [last name]. The credit history is all credited to their husbands, even though it was the women who managed the household finances and paid all the bills.

Mom was shocked because she hadn&#039;t even been allowed to co-sign a loan for my brother, despite having worked as a nurse for the last 30 years at the same job.

After the conversation, mom and grandma both sent up bank accounts and credit cards in their own name. Thank goodness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently had this conversation with my mom and grandma. While both women handle the household finances and my mom has a job, in both cases the bank accounts are joint and neither woman has any form of credit history <i>in their own names</i>. They are all Mrs [male name] [last name]. The credit history is all credited to their husbands, even though it was the women who managed the household finances and paid all the bills.</p>
<p>Mom was shocked because she hadn&#8217;t even been allowed to co-sign a loan for my brother, despite having worked as a nurse for the last 30 years at the same job.</p>
<p>After the conversation, mom and grandma both sent up bank accounts and credit cards in their own name. Thank goodness.</p>
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		<title>By: Av0gadro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Av0gadro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Endora: Two pieces of advice.
1) Mutual Funds - there&#039;s no reason you have to pick individual stocks. Choose a fund that&#039;s historically done well, and they do the research for you.
2) Fee for Time Financial Adviser. Most financial advisers get money buy convincing you to  buy products, but some get paid by the hour, and if you don&#039;t need anything they&#039;ll tell you so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Endora: Two pieces of advice.<br />
1) Mutual Funds &#8211; there&#8217;s no reason you have to pick individual stocks. Choose a fund that&#8217;s historically done well, and they do the research for you.<br />
2) Fee for Time Financial Adviser. Most financial advisers get money buy convincing you to  buy products, but some get paid by the hour, and if you don&#8217;t need anything they&#8217;ll tell you so.</p>
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		<title>By: rodriguez</title>
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		<dc:creator>rodriguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@s.o.a.l.g. Thanks for your thoughts about your father&#039;s Alzheimer&#039;s. I realized how whiny I must sound, and I am sorry. And, I am sorry for your grandmother&#039;s and your family&#039;s loss. Her pain is hard for me to fit into my small head.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@s.o.a.l.g. Thanks for your thoughts about your father&#8217;s Alzheimer&#8217;s. I realized how whiny I must sound, and I am sorry. And, I am sorry for your grandmother&#8217;s and your family&#8217;s loss. Her pain is hard for me to fit into my small head.</p>
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		<title>By: Endora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Endora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry to hear about your grandfather, Sarah.  

And your grandma&#039;s situation is, to be honest, one I had never stopped to think about - my grandfathers both died before I was born, so I grew up with them being completely in control of their finances.

To address the title of the post: my parents have both talked openly about finances for years.  I&#039;ve learned a lot by watching them, and my inborn pathological fear of debt has so far stood me in good stead.  One thing I am nervous about is investing, though.  I know it will probably be necessary at some point, but I am a bit intimidated by the stock market and its unpredictability.  I wish there were still old-style pensions nowadays, that would make the idea of saving for retirement much less frightening.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to hear about your grandfather, Sarah.  </p>
<p>And your grandma&#8217;s situation is, to be honest, one I had never stopped to think about &#8211; my grandfathers both died before I was born, so I grew up with them being completely in control of their finances.</p>
<p>To address the title of the post: my parents have both talked openly about finances for years.  I&#8217;ve learned a lot by watching them, and my inborn pathological fear of debt has so far stood me in good stead.  One thing I am nervous about is investing, though.  I know it will probably be necessary at some point, but I am a bit intimidated by the stock market and its unpredictability.  I wish there were still old-style pensions nowadays, that would make the idea of saving for retirement much less frightening.</p>
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		<title>By: Meg (LadySoprano)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meg (LadySoprano)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MamaSoprano doesn&#039;t even balance the checkbook--PapaSoprano does all of that. But they raise me to be able to do my own thing, and I&#039;m glad for that. 

Gender roles have changed so much--these days it seems nearly impossible that a woman not know about the finances in her household.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MamaSoprano doesn&#8217;t even balance the checkbook&#8211;PapaSoprano does all of that. But they raise me to be able to do my own thing, and I&#8217;m glad for that. </p>
<p>Gender roles have changed so much&#8211;these days it seems nearly impossible that a woman not know about the finances in her household.</p>
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		<title>By: Av0gadro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Av0gadro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 03:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s worth noting that even in an equal partnership, bill paying usually falls to one person. I pay all our bills, just because I&#039;m the one who&#039;s always been good with budgeting. And my husband is on all the accounts, and certainly knows where we bank, and I try to keep a list of all our bills up to date, but I worry about it being hard for him if something happens to me (beyond the single grieving father thing). It&#039;s just that chores get divided up. He cleans the kitchen and does the vacuuming, I do the laundry and the bills. We could try to trade off every month, but it&#039;s just easier for me to do it every time.

My parents were the same way, and when my dad died, my mom had to watch the mail carefully. She mostly knew what bills were due, but she was pretty worried about missing things (especially since things had already slid in the months she was living at the hospital). Additionally, she had to spend three days removing my dad from all the accounts, which was pretty horrible.

Anytime you combine finances, it&#039;s a risk, but I can&#039;t help but feel it might be even more of a risk if you don&#039;t. As it is now, if something happened to my husband, his car and bank accounts are automatically mine without probate or lawyers. I definitely think that would make life easier.

I&#039;m sorry for your loss, sarah. I hope your grandmother does well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s worth noting that even in an equal partnership, bill paying usually falls to one person. I pay all our bills, just because I&#8217;m the one who&#8217;s always been good with budgeting. And my husband is on all the accounts, and certainly knows where we bank, and I try to keep a list of all our bills up to date, but I worry about it being hard for him if something happens to me (beyond the single grieving father thing). It&#8217;s just that chores get divided up. He cleans the kitchen and does the vacuuming, I do the laundry and the bills. We could try to trade off every month, but it&#8217;s just easier for me to do it every time.</p>
<p>My parents were the same way, and when my dad died, my mom had to watch the mail carefully. She mostly knew what bills were due, but she was pretty worried about missing things (especially since things had already slid in the months she was living at the hospital). Additionally, she had to spend three days removing my dad from all the accounts, which was pretty horrible.</p>
<p>Anytime you combine finances, it&#8217;s a risk, but I can&#8217;t help but feel it might be even more of a risk if you don&#8217;t. As it is now, if something happened to my husband, his car and bank accounts are automatically mine without probate or lawyers. I definitely think that would make life easier.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry for your loss, sarah. I hope your grandmother does well.</p>
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