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		<title>By: Intersectionality &#8216;Round the Interwebs, No. 18: My Bloody Valentine &#187; V for Vegan: easyVegan.info</title>
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		<dc:creator>Intersectionality &#8216;Round the Interwebs, No. 18: My Bloody Valentine &#187; V for Vegan: easyVegan.info</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 18:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] The Pursuit of Harpyness: Be A Bitch: To the New York Times Public Editor [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: ausgezeichnet</title>
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		<dc:creator>ausgezeichnet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just commenting to add my kudos to Becky&#039;s Real Name.  Perfectly said.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just commenting to add my kudos to Becky&#8217;s Real Name.  Perfectly said.</p>
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		<title>By: Isa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 22:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is awesome. Fuck Polanski, he belongs in prison.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is awesome. Fuck Polanski, he belongs in prison.</p>
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		<title>By: Interesting posts, weekend of 2/14/10 &#171; Feminists with Female Sexual Dysfunction</title>
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		<dc:creator>Interesting posts, weekend of 2/14/10 &#171; Feminists with Female Sexual Dysfunction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] birth control. There&#8217;s also an example of being a bitch (in the best sense of the word!) Be A Bitch: To the New York Times Public Editor &#8211; [Potentially triggering] calling out the NYT coverage of Roman Polanski. Yes the Roman [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] birth control. There&#8217;s also an example of being a bitch (in the best sense of the word!) Be A Bitch: To the New York Times Public Editor &#8211; [Potentially triggering] calling out the NYT coverage of Roman Polanski. Yes the Roman [...]</p>
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		<title>By: bluebears</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/02/12/be-a-bitch-to-the-new-york-times-public-editor/comment-page-1/#comment-21990</link>
		<dc:creator>bluebears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great letter Becky. It&#039;s absolutely true that they would never use such language to describe a violent sexual assault by Mr. Joe Average around the way, yet Polanski&#039;s crime somehow deserves this romantic treatment? sickening.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great letter Becky. It&#8217;s absolutely true that they would never use such language to describe a violent sexual assault by Mr. Joe Average around the way, yet Polanski&#8217;s crime somehow deserves this romantic treatment? sickening.</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/02/12/be-a-bitch-to-the-new-york-times-public-editor/comment-page-1/#comment-21967</link>
		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 23:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Hana: Thanks! And I completely agree about the Oprah show. I&#039;ve seen that show and other ones she&#039;s done about pedophiles and where she&#039;s talked about her own experience being raped and abused as a child. I think she&#039;s dead on in her evaluation of the psychological process that takes place with victims, especially victims who are abused by family members.

Still, I think the word &quot;seduction&quot; is loaded. Like I said to pedimd, there are a lot of people out there who are looking to blame victims--the Polanski case proves that more than just about any other situation in recent memory. Saying that victims were &quot;seduced&#039; is a time-honored way of apologizing for the attacker and implying that victims were asking for it, so I&#039;d just as soon avoid that term entirely. No reason to give the apologists something to run with...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Hana: Thanks! And I completely agree about the Oprah show. I&#8217;ve seen that show and other ones she&#8217;s done about pedophiles and where she&#8217;s talked about her own experience being raped and abused as a child. I think she&#8217;s dead on in her evaluation of the psychological process that takes place with victims, especially victims who are abused by family members.</p>
<p>Still, I think the word &#8220;seduction&#8221; is loaded. Like I said to pedimd, there are a lot of people out there who are looking to blame victims&#8211;the Polanski case proves that more than just about any other situation in recent memory. Saying that victims were &#8220;seduced&#8217; is a time-honored way of apologizing for the attacker and implying that victims were asking for it, so I&#8217;d just as soon avoid that term entirely. No reason to give the apologists something to run with&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Hana Maru</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hana Maru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 23:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, and I love you for that expert takedown, Becky.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and I love you for that expert takedown, Becky.</p>
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		<title>By: Hana Maru</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hana Maru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 23:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m curious if you saw that episode of Oprah, Becky?  IMO, she was very clear on how massively damaging pedophilia is to the children involved, and how &quot;seduction&quot; is not mitigating, but part of the psychological component of the abuse, not implying consent.   

That show was about the thought process of pedophiles.  The men in the group talked about how they believed that they loved their victims, that they wanted to make them feel good and give them pleasure.  Oprah described how common it was for victims to feel physical pleasure, to not experience violence, and to feel invested in protecting their abuser, who is usually a family member or close family friend.  This is why children often don&#039;t tell, and why they often feel a lot of guilt and shame and denial.   She emphasized that this was a manipulation that served the purposes of the abuser.  One of them said &quot;I murdered the person she could have been&quot; and Oprah was almost seething as she agreed emphatically with that statement.  

None of this has anything to do with Roman Polanski.  As far as we know, he&#039;s not a pedophile.  He&#039;s an ephebophile who violently raped his victim and has &quot;dated&quot; teenage girls since.  People who defend him don&#039;t do so because there was any indication that his victim felt physical arousal, they do it because they&#039;re piece-of-shit misogynists who really, really liked The Pianist...or something.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious if you saw that episode of Oprah, Becky?  IMO, she was very clear on how massively damaging pedophilia is to the children involved, and how &#8220;seduction&#8221; is not mitigating, but part of the psychological component of the abuse, not implying consent.   </p>
<p>That show was about the thought process of pedophiles.  The men in the group talked about how they believed that they loved their victims, that they wanted to make them feel good and give them pleasure.  Oprah described how common it was for victims to feel physical pleasure, to not experience violence, and to feel invested in protecting their abuser, who is usually a family member or close family friend.  This is why children often don&#8217;t tell, and why they often feel a lot of guilt and shame and denial.   She emphasized that this was a manipulation that served the purposes of the abuser.  One of them said &#8220;I murdered the person she could have been&#8221; and Oprah was almost seething as she agreed emphatically with that statement.  </p>
<p>None of this has anything to do with Roman Polanski.  As far as we know, he&#8217;s not a pedophile.  He&#8217;s an ephebophile who violently raped his victim and has &#8220;dated&#8221; teenage girls since.  People who defend him don&#8217;t do so because there was any indication that his victim felt physical arousal, they do it because they&#8217;re piece-of-shit misogynists who really, really liked The Pianist&#8230;or something.</p>
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		<title>By: pedimd</title>
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		<dc:creator>pedimd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 22:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@mischiefmanager: Actually, a 3 year old and a 15 year old are not always the same legally -- it varies from state to state, and also depends on the age of the molester. But my point wasn&#039;t really about legal consent, but more about the experience of the child victim. I think there&#039;s a reason that Oprah keeps using the term &quot;seduction,&quot; and I&#039;m not afraid to try to speak to the kids&#039; actual experiences just because it sounds bad. It doesn&#039;t mean that I think they actually have the capacity to consent -- although, again, with teenagers it is not always so clear cut, especially as they get closer and closer to 18. 

And I don&#039;t think it&#039;s fair to make blanket statements about prosecutors not doing their jobs. (OK, some don&#039;t do their jobs.) Kid victims often do a number of things that make them look really bad -- they don&#039;t tell right away, they don&#039;t tell everything at once, they tell and then say they lied, they act out, etc. etc. This is totally normal behavior under the circumstances, but it makes them look less credible (totally not fair, but true anyway). And the defense attorneys do use this against them-- it&#039;s not the prosecutor&#039;s fault, it&#039;s just the facts of the case, and everyone is entitled to a defense, no matter how disgusting they are.  So if I&#039;m asked about the &quot;bad stuff&quot; the kid did or said, and I don&#039;t address it explicitly, it looks like I&#039;m covering something up, which looks even worse, and does not help the kid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mischiefmanager: Actually, a 3 year old and a 15 year old are not always the same legally &#8212; it varies from state to state, and also depends on the age of the molester. But my point wasn&#8217;t really about legal consent, but more about the experience of the child victim. I think there&#8217;s a reason that Oprah keeps using the term &#8220;seduction,&#8221; and I&#8217;m not afraid to try to speak to the kids&#8217; actual experiences just because it sounds bad. It doesn&#8217;t mean that I think they actually have the capacity to consent &#8212; although, again, with teenagers it is not always so clear cut, especially as they get closer and closer to 18. </p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s fair to make blanket statements about prosecutors not doing their jobs. (OK, some don&#8217;t do their jobs.) Kid victims often do a number of things that make them look really bad &#8212; they don&#8217;t tell right away, they don&#8217;t tell everything at once, they tell and then say they lied, they act out, etc. etc. This is totally normal behavior under the circumstances, but it makes them look less credible (totally not fair, but true anyway). And the defense attorneys do use this against them&#8211; it&#8217;s not the prosecutor&#8217;s fault, it&#8217;s just the facts of the case, and everyone is entitled to a defense, no matter how disgusting they are.  So if I&#8217;m asked about the &#8220;bad stuff&#8221; the kid did or said, and I don&#8217;t address it explicitly, it looks like I&#8217;m covering something up, which looks even worse, and does not help the kid.</p>
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		<title>By: mischiefmanager</title>
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		<dc:creator>mischiefmanager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 16:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Pedimd:  But that&#039;s the thing:  under the law, a 3 year old and a 15 year old are identical.  Neither of them is able to consent.  And although teenagers are often (although by no means always!) more knowledgeable about sex, anyone who has lived with-or been, for that matter-a teenager knows that their decision-making processes are not mature.  I agree that it&#039;s probably hard to get that across to a jury, especially when the teenager is saying stuff that is disturbing.  But I agree with Becky.  the point is what the rapist did and said, not what the victim did and said.  The victim is legally unable to consent. Period.

Of course, I know that in real life it doesn&#039;t always work that way, but any prosecutor who lets a defense attorney turn the focus onto the victim is failing  at his or her job.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Pedimd:  But that&#8217;s the thing:  under the law, a 3 year old and a 15 year old are identical.  Neither of them is able to consent.  And although teenagers are often (although by no means always!) more knowledgeable about sex, anyone who has lived with-or been, for that matter-a teenager knows that their decision-making processes are not mature.  I agree that it&#8217;s probably hard to get that across to a jury, especially when the teenager is saying stuff that is disturbing.  But I agree with Becky.  the point is what the rapist did and said, not what the victim did and said.  The victim is legally unable to consent. Period.</p>
<p>Of course, I know that in real life it doesn&#8217;t always work that way, but any prosecutor who lets a defense attorney turn the focus onto the victim is failing  at his or her job.</p>
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