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		<title>By: abigailadams</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/02/22/thoughts-on-domestic-violence-the-documentary/comment-page-1/#comment-22685</link>
		<dc:creator>abigailadams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agree that providing a place for these stories to be told is a huge service to these women.  One that outweighs the apparent violation of privacy here.  When you&#039;ve been abused this way, you are already ashamed and craving validation that you&#039;re not crazy and not at fault.  Telling the story lets in sunlight and diminishes the power of the abuse.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree that providing a place for these stories to be told is a huge service to these women.  One that outweighs the apparent violation of privacy here.  When you&#8217;ve been abused this way, you are already ashamed and craving validation that you&#8217;re not crazy and not at fault.  Telling the story lets in sunlight and diminishes the power of the abuse.</p>
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		<title>By: Queen_George</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/02/22/thoughts-on-domestic-violence-the-documentary/comment-page-1/#comment-22681</link>
		<dc:creator>Queen_George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 05:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On the subject of consent, documentary ethics, etc...

I also just want to add that, no matter how petty this concern may seem, I imagine those women&#039;s stories are always going to come across differently when a man is behind the camera.  I just can&#039;t imagine a scenario in which a woman who has been abused and stalked and terrorized by a man in her life isn&#039;t going to be more than a bit leery of men in general.  And we see everyday through a feminist lens how the very presence of a man can change the course of a dialogue - or even a monologue.  Although it sounds like Wiseman probably has good intentions, I&#039;d be curious to know how the film might have been handled differently had it been in the hands of a female director - or had it been sparked by a movement created by the women, such as the one in the doc Ames mentions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of consent, documentary ethics, etc&#8230;</p>
<p>I also just want to add that, no matter how petty this concern may seem, I imagine those women&#8217;s stories are always going to come across differently when a man is behind the camera.  I just can&#8217;t imagine a scenario in which a woman who has been abused and stalked and terrorized by a man in her life isn&#8217;t going to be more than a bit leery of men in general.  And we see everyday through a feminist lens how the very presence of a man can change the course of a dialogue &#8211; or even a monologue.  Although it sounds like Wiseman probably has good intentions, I&#8217;d be curious to know how the film might have been handled differently had it been in the hands of a female director &#8211; or had it been sparked by a movement created by the women, such as the one in the doc Ames mentions.</p>
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		<title>By: Ames</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/02/22/thoughts-on-domestic-violence-the-documentary/comment-page-1/#comment-22668</link>
		<dc:creator>Ames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Related - a recent documentary that addresses many of these issues (speaking for oneself, the law and domestic violence, exposing one&#039;s story to strangers): &lt;a&gt;Sin by Silence&lt;/a&gt;. A woman who was convicted of murder after she killed her abusive husband and sent to prison, started a support group for other women in the same situation. The work of the group eventually led to changes in laws related to their cases. The doc shows the women in group sessions and individually telling their horrific stories - it&#039;s gut wrenching. But throughout, the director conveys the women&#039;s agency as they take part in the group and in the doc, so it doesn&#039;t feel purely voyeuristic.

I saw the director (Olivia Klaus) speak at a screening and she explained that she originally intended to just create a standard doc. What happened instead is that she got caught up in the movement the women started and the doc has now become part of it as well. Maybe that brings up other issues about the &quot;objectivity&quot; of the film and director and whether that matters. The audience cheered at the end of the doc and many of us filled out postcards to be sent to the prisoners. Additionally, people involved with the doc have stated that they have seen useful reactions after the doc was shown in certain towns. 

My synopsis doesn&#039;t begin to convey the experience of seeing this film or the many issues that it brings up; highly recommended if you get a chance. It&#039;s currently being screened on campuses, at festivals, and by legislative and legal groups; or you can get the DVD (though not through NetFlix yet).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Related &#8211; a recent documentary that addresses many of these issues (speaking for oneself, the law and domestic violence, exposing one&#8217;s story to strangers): <a>Sin by Silence</a>. A woman who was convicted of murder after she killed her abusive husband and sent to prison, started a support group for other women in the same situation. The work of the group eventually led to changes in laws related to their cases. The doc shows the women in group sessions and individually telling their horrific stories &#8211; it&#8217;s gut wrenching. But throughout, the director conveys the women&#8217;s agency as they take part in the group and in the doc, so it doesn&#8217;t feel purely voyeuristic.</p>
<p>I saw the director (Olivia Klaus) speak at a screening and she explained that she originally intended to just create a standard doc. What happened instead is that she got caught up in the movement the women started and the doc has now become part of it as well. Maybe that brings up other issues about the &#8220;objectivity&#8221; of the film and director and whether that matters. The audience cheered at the end of the doc and many of us filled out postcards to be sent to the prisoners. Additionally, people involved with the doc have stated that they have seen useful reactions after the doc was shown in certain towns. </p>
<p>My synopsis doesn&#8217;t begin to convey the experience of seeing this film or the many issues that it brings up; highly recommended if you get a chance. It&#8217;s currently being screened on campuses, at festivals, and by legislative and legal groups; or you can get the DVD (though not through NetFlix yet).</p>
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		<title>By: adamantine</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/02/22/thoughts-on-domestic-violence-the-documentary/comment-page-1/#comment-22663</link>
		<dc:creator>adamantine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[although i haven&#039;t seen this movie at all, i think a potential solution to the sticky consent issue is to create space for women to tell their own stories, in their own voices. not sure how this would mesh with the documentary format, but i think it&#039;s more rewarding and honest and less voyeuristic to hear about violence against women from those women, in the format they feel comfortable sharing in, in their words.
at western washington university, students here have taken the vagina monologues, and created an alternative - the vagina memoirs. the cast of women spends 3 months writing their memoirs to preform for audiences, and while not all memoirs are as polished as eve ensler&#039;s monologues, they are extremely powerful. i&#039;m interested in spreading this idea of women having the authority to tell their own stories, and that it is valuable to listen to them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>although i haven&#8217;t seen this movie at all, i think a potential solution to the sticky consent issue is to create space for women to tell their own stories, in their own voices. not sure how this would mesh with the documentary format, but i think it&#8217;s more rewarding and honest and less voyeuristic to hear about violence against women from those women, in the format they feel comfortable sharing in, in their words.<br />
at western washington university, students here have taken the vagina monologues, and created an alternative &#8211; the vagina memoirs. the cast of women spends 3 months writing their memoirs to preform for audiences, and while not all memoirs are as polished as eve ensler&#8217;s monologues, they are extremely powerful. i&#8217;m interested in spreading this idea of women having the authority to tell their own stories, and that it is valuable to listen to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Pilgrim Soul</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/02/22/thoughts-on-domestic-violence-the-documentary/comment-page-1/#comment-22651</link>
		<dc:creator>Pilgrim Soul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, I agree, mm, Wiseman is a hard case.  This isn&#039;t To Catch A Predator type stuff.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I agree, mm, Wiseman is a hard case.  This isn&#8217;t To Catch A Predator type stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: mischiefmanager</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/02/22/thoughts-on-domestic-violence-the-documentary/comment-page-1/#comment-22649</link>
		<dc:creator>mischiefmanager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s my understanding that the consent would only apply to their appearance or voice; being the subject of discussion doesn&#039;t require a waiver.

It&#039;s a delicate problem.  Not allowing parents to consent for their kids to be videotaped would create all kinds of problems, particularly in research.  Parents have to make decisions for their kids that the kids, upon becoming adults, might not agree with, the vast majority in good faith-or at least I believe that&#039;s the case.  Having said that, I agree with Ms M.  As a parent, you are the guardian of your child&#039;s privacy, and we give that precious possession away all too easily these days.  Research is one thing; any clown with a camera is something else.  Although I wouldn&#039;t put Wiseman in that category at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s my understanding that the consent would only apply to their appearance or voice; being the subject of discussion doesn&#8217;t require a waiver.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a delicate problem.  Not allowing parents to consent for their kids to be videotaped would create all kinds of problems, particularly in research.  Parents have to make decisions for their kids that the kids, upon becoming adults, might not agree with, the vast majority in good faith-or at least I believe that&#8217;s the case.  Having said that, I agree with Ms M.  As a parent, you are the guardian of your child&#8217;s privacy, and we give that precious possession away all too easily these days.  Research is one thing; any clown with a camera is something else.  Although I wouldn&#8217;t put Wiseman in that category at all.</p>
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		<title>By: bluebears</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/02/22/thoughts-on-domestic-violence-the-documentary/comment-page-1/#comment-22648</link>
		<dc:creator>bluebears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I completely agree PS.  At a certain point you have to ask, what is the ultimate point in filming these women&#039;s horrific stories of abuse for an audience.  Like you point out, its preaching to the converted to a large degree. On the other hand these women shouldn&#039;t be invisible, forgotten by the rest of the public. I don&#039;t know what the answer is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree PS.  At a certain point you have to ask, what is the ultimate point in filming these women&#8217;s horrific stories of abuse for an audience.  Like you point out, its preaching to the converted to a large degree. On the other hand these women shouldn&#8217;t be invisible, forgotten by the rest of the public. I don&#8217;t know what the answer is.</p>
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		<title>By: Pilgrim Soul</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/02/22/thoughts-on-domestic-violence-the-documentary/comment-page-1/#comment-22647</link>
		<dc:creator>Pilgrim Soul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, mm, you are totally right, I should have mentioned that.  But on the other hand in this context I am somewhat concerned about the ability of the parents to sign this right away on their children&#039;s behalf, you know?  I also wonder about the children who were never shown onscreen but discussed in great detail; did their parents sign waivers?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, mm, you are totally right, I should have mentioned that.  But on the other hand in this context I am somewhat concerned about the ability of the parents to sign this right away on their children&#8217;s behalf, you know?  I also wonder about the children who were never shown onscreen but discussed in great detail; did their parents sign waivers?</p>
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		<title>By: mischiefmanager</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/02/22/thoughts-on-domestic-violence-the-documentary/comment-page-1/#comment-22645</link>
		<dc:creator>mischiefmanager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wiseman&#039;s movies are always long; that&#039;s just his style.  

Would you feel differently if the people who appeared on camera had signed consents beforehand?  I would be shocked if they hadn&#039;t.  That doesn&#039;t preclude regretting having done so later, of course, but it does mean that the women in the film had some control over their appearance and that of their children.

I&#039;m reading a novel called &quot;Atlas of Unknowns&quot; by Tania James in which the morality of documentary filmmaking comes up, although not in the context of domestic violence.  I recommend the book.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wiseman&#8217;s movies are always long; that&#8217;s just his style.  </p>
<p>Would you feel differently if the people who appeared on camera had signed consents beforehand?  I would be shocked if they hadn&#8217;t.  That doesn&#8217;t preclude regretting having done so later, of course, but it does mean that the women in the film had some control over their appearance and that of their children.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m reading a novel called &#8220;Atlas of Unknowns&#8221; by Tania James in which the morality of documentary filmmaking comes up, although not in the context of domestic violence.  I recommend the book.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms. M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ms. M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I get really concerned when I see documentaries with kids in them, because one day those kids are going to grow up, and know that somewhere out there, that instance of their life is frozen in time, available for anyone to see.  I think filmakers need to be cognizant of more than what works in the film &#039;right now&#039;, but what will the grownup version of that child think about that scene?

And yes, I have a similar problem when people post all about their kids all over the internet.  That information is out there, and no child will appreciate that coming back to slap them in the face when they are an adult.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get really concerned when I see documentaries with kids in them, because one day those kids are going to grow up, and know that somewhere out there, that instance of their life is frozen in time, available for anyone to see.  I think filmakers need to be cognizant of more than what works in the film &#8216;right now&#8217;, but what will the grownup version of that child think about that scene?</p>
<p>And yes, I have a similar problem when people post all about their kids all over the internet.  That information is out there, and no child will appreciate that coming back to slap them in the face when they are an adult.</p>
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