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		<title>By: yvanehtnioj</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/03/11/prom-oting-homophobia/comment-page-1/#comment-23914</link>
		<dc:creator>yvanehtnioj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 16:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@OleMiss - You see it as a distraction from real issues of racism in the South to point out racism in the North, but I see it as a distraction from real issues of racism in the North for Northerners to constantly say, &quot;Well, of course, it&#039;s the South!&quot; No one is arguing that the South&#039;s history is irrelevant. Obviously cultural context matters, but the fact that so many people take a cursory approach to cultural context adds to (or maybe even causes) the problem: &quot;The South used to have slavery, therefore, the South is now racist.  The North didn&#039;t have slavery, therefore, the North is not racist.&quot;

I agree that the post is even-handed in this regard, but the reason I brought it up in the first place was the comments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@OleMiss &#8211; You see it as a distraction from real issues of racism in the South to point out racism in the North, but I see it as a distraction from real issues of racism in the North for Northerners to constantly say, &#8220;Well, of course, it&#8217;s the South!&#8221; No one is arguing that the South&#8217;s history is irrelevant. Obviously cultural context matters, but the fact that so many people take a cursory approach to cultural context adds to (or maybe even causes) the problem: &#8220;The South used to have slavery, therefore, the South is now racist.  The North didn&#8217;t have slavery, therefore, the North is not racist.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree that the post is even-handed in this regard, but the reason I brought it up in the first place was the comments.</p>
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		<title>By: OleMiss</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/03/11/prom-oting-homophobia/comment-page-1/#comment-23912</link>
		<dc:creator>OleMiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 15:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[::delurks::

As a MS expat, I wanted to say that the whole &quot;can we stop talking as though racism is a Southern problem?&quot; theme in this comment thread--while well-intentioned, I&#039;m sure--does a disservice to the South and just distracts from the very real problems we have.

Discrimination IS a huge problem in my home state, and it is often supported or even instigated by people who should know better--local government, churches, pastors, school boards, etc.  What&#039;s happened to Constance is pretty much par for the course...the system is flexible, and it will bend to find a way to exclude you.

And it&#039;s not a coincidence that things are that way.  Cultural context matters. Yes, there is racism and discrimination elsewhere. No one is debating that. But making the point of &quot;oh, Chicago&#039;s really racist too!&quot; is just a distraction, not proof that the South&#039;s history is irrelevant.

I also want to say that what I read in this post is WAAAAY more even-handed in its treatment of the South than what I&#039;ve read about the McMillen case elsewhere on the internet (where &quot;redneck&quot;, &quot;KKK&quot; and &quot;Mississippi Burning&quot; keep coming up). I don&#039;t know if that&#039;s because Becky is Southern or just because this site tends to be more thoughtful in tone, but I appreciated it.]]></description>
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<p>As a MS expat, I wanted to say that the whole &#8220;can we stop talking as though racism is a Southern problem?&#8221; theme in this comment thread&#8211;while well-intentioned, I&#8217;m sure&#8211;does a disservice to the South and just distracts from the very real problems we have.</p>
<p>Discrimination IS a huge problem in my home state, and it is often supported or even instigated by people who should know better&#8211;local government, churches, pastors, school boards, etc.  What&#8217;s happened to Constance is pretty much par for the course&#8230;the system is flexible, and it will bend to find a way to exclude you.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s not a coincidence that things are that way.  Cultural context matters. Yes, there is racism and discrimination elsewhere. No one is debating that. But making the point of &#8220;oh, Chicago&#8217;s really racist too!&#8221; is just a distraction, not proof that the South&#8217;s history is irrelevant.</p>
<p>I also want to say that what I read in this post is WAAAAY more even-handed in its treatment of the South than what I&#8217;ve read about the McMillen case elsewhere on the internet (where &#8220;redneck&#8221;, &#8220;KKK&#8221; and &#8220;Mississippi Burning&#8221; keep coming up). I don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s because Becky is Southern or just because this site tends to be more thoughtful in tone, but I appreciated it.</p>
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		<title>By: Interesting posts, weekend of 3/13/10 &#171; Feminists with Female Sexual Dysfunction</title>
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		<dc:creator>Interesting posts, weekend of 3/13/10 &#171; Feminists with Female Sexual Dysfunction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 23:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Prom (oting) Homophobia &#8211; rather than allow an openly lesbian student attend prom in a tuxedo with her date, a high school in Missippi has completely nixed the whole shebang. The ACLU is involved in the case at this point. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Prom (oting) Homophobia &#8211; rather than allow an openly lesbian student attend prom in a tuxedo with her date, a high school in Missippi has completely nixed the whole shebang. The ACLU is involved in the case at this point. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: yvanehtnioj</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/03/11/prom-oting-homophobia/comment-page-1/#comment-23891</link>
		<dc:creator>yvanehtnioj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 03:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, that&#039;s the implication I was going for.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s the implication I was going for.</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 03:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, bigotry is not EXCLUSIVELY a Southern problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, bigotry is not EXCLUSIVELY a Southern problem.</p>
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		<title>By: yvanehtnioj</title>
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		<dc:creator>yvanehtnioj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 02:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And as far as infrastructure and cops not responding to calls in black neighborhoods - everyone in Chicago knew that cops wouldn&#039;t respond to calls in Cabrini Green; anyone at all can tell you that Bushwick and East New York don&#039;t have the same transportation dollars spent on them as Staten Island, and even the fact that Albany prevents NYC from getting its fair share of tax dollars is a product of racism.  Amadou Diallo? Sean Bell? Omar Edwards?  

I&#039;m not trying to say that bigotry isn&#039;t a problem in the South, but bigotry is not a Southern problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And as far as infrastructure and cops not responding to calls in black neighborhoods &#8211; everyone in Chicago knew that cops wouldn&#8217;t respond to calls in Cabrini Green; anyone at all can tell you that Bushwick and East New York don&#8217;t have the same transportation dollars spent on them as Staten Island, and even the fact that Albany prevents NYC from getting its fair share of tax dollars is a product of racism.  Amadou Diallo? Sean Bell? Omar Edwards?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to say that bigotry isn&#8217;t a problem in the South, but bigotry is not a Southern problem.</p>
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		<title>By: yvanehtnioj</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/03/11/prom-oting-homophobia/comment-page-1/#comment-23886</link>
		<dc:creator>yvanehtnioj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 02:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@viajera - I have had exactly the opposite experience: having lived in the South and in the North, I find racism is much more &quot;in your face&quot; in the North, only the racists pat themselves on the back for &quot;being honest&quot;.  And it&#039;s gross.

@Becky - I&#039;m not saying don&#039;t call out southern racists -- I&#039;m fully in the camp of calling out ALL racists.  But when a story about bigotry in the North comes around on the internet (say, I dunno, the young men from Long Island that are on trial now for murdering a Latino man, as part of a sport they call &quot;beaner jumping&quot; which is just randomly assaulting Latino men on the street: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/21/nyregion/21immigrant.html), the news is reported as: WHAT?!!  WHAT A SHOCK!!! And when a story about bigotry in the South comes around on the internet it&#039;s treated as, &quot;Well, what do you expect? Southerners...&quot; and it really pisses me off.  bluebears is totally right: it comes with an undercurrent of moral superiority that is completely unwarranted, and, what&#039;s more, leads to people in the North not working to correct their own prejudices.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@viajera &#8211; I have had exactly the opposite experience: having lived in the South and in the North, I find racism is much more &#8220;in your face&#8221; in the North, only the racists pat themselves on the back for &#8220;being honest&#8221;.  And it&#8217;s gross.</p>
<p>@Becky &#8211; I&#8217;m not saying don&#8217;t call out southern racists &#8212; I&#8217;m fully in the camp of calling out ALL racists.  But when a story about bigotry in the North comes around on the internet (say, I dunno, the young men from Long Island that are on trial now for murdering a Latino man, as part of a sport they call &#8220;beaner jumping&#8221; which is just randomly assaulting Latino men on the street: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/21/nyregion/21immigrant.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/21/nyregion/21immigrant.html</a>), the news is reported as: WHAT?!!  WHAT A SHOCK!!! And when a story about bigotry in the South comes around on the internet it&#8217;s treated as, &#8220;Well, what do you expect? Southerners&#8230;&#8221; and it really pisses me off.  bluebears is totally right: it comes with an undercurrent of moral superiority that is completely unwarranted, and, what&#8217;s more, leads to people in the North not working to correct their own prejudices.</p>
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		<title>By: KathleenB</title>
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		<dc:creator>KathleenB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 23:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brennan: Women were told at my 1995 HS graduation that if we wore pants to the ceremony, we would be sent home to &#039;put on some decent clothes.&#039; I was one of three women who wore pants, and did not get sent home. But I kinda would have enjoyed the shitstorm my family would have caused if I had - much as we fight and get on each others nerves, you don&#039;t screw around with my family, because you will not enjoy the consequences.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brennan: Women were told at my 1995 HS graduation that if we wore pants to the ceremony, we would be sent home to &#8216;put on some decent clothes.&#8217; I was one of three women who wore pants, and did not get sent home. But I kinda would have enjoyed the shitstorm my family would have caused if I had &#8211; much as we fight and get on each others nerves, you don&#8217;t screw around with my family, because you will not enjoy the consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 22:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@viajera: And just to bring the discussion back to homophobia....In the South, the infrastructure of discrimination--while it was specifically set up to exclude blacks--is frequently used against other miniorities, including gays, Jews and immigrants. Once people are accustomed to discrimination and exclusion, it&#039;s very easy for them to automatically other-ize anyone who&#039;s different. That&#039;s what I think we&#039;re seeing here, with Constance McMillen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@viajera: And just to bring the discussion back to homophobia&#8230;.In the South, the infrastructure of discrimination&#8211;while it was specifically set up to exclude blacks&#8211;is frequently used against other miniorities, including gays, Jews and immigrants. Once people are accustomed to discrimination and exclusion, it&#8217;s very easy for them to automatically other-ize anyone who&#8217;s different. That&#8217;s what I think we&#8217;re seeing here, with Constance McMillen.</p>
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		<title>By: viajera</title>
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		<dc:creator>viajera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 22:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with Becky and Joe.  I&#039;m from the West Coast and lived all over the States before moving to the South.  There&#039;s racism everywhere, true, but it&#039;s a different world down here.  It&#039;s open and in-your-face in a way it isn&#039;t in the rest of the country.  Plus, as Becky said, it&#039;s institutionalized, something you won&#039;t see elsewhere.

Schools here are still functionally segregated, because the whites pulled out to the suburbs and/or moved their children into private schools - something further aided by the selling out of the public school system to the charters post-Katrina.  The better schools are 90%+ white, and the horribly underfunded public schools (often missing such basics as textbooks, A/C, and functioning plumbing) are 95%+ black &amp; Latino.  And forget &quot;functionally&quot;, schools here were still formally segregated as late as the 1980s!  My friend&#039;s older brother went to fully segregated schools in Jefferson Parish (home of David Duke) that did not integrate until after his graduation in the early 1980s (1983 IIRC).

Then there are the roads, which are bad throughout the city but MUCH worse in the black neighborhoods.  Same with public services.  Same with police - I can call from Uptown and get a cop to respond relatively promptly, but if you&#039;re calling from Central City forget about it (unless you report a naked woman running around.  No, I&#039;m not joking or being sarcastic - people have tested this).  Plus the 1993 integration of MG krewes I mentioned earlier.

There&#039;s racism everywhere.  But not only is it more visible here, it&#039;s more acceptable and more built into the legal and social systems here than I&#039;ve seen anywhere else in this country.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Becky and Joe.  I&#8217;m from the West Coast and lived all over the States before moving to the South.  There&#8217;s racism everywhere, true, but it&#8217;s a different world down here.  It&#8217;s open and in-your-face in a way it isn&#8217;t in the rest of the country.  Plus, as Becky said, it&#8217;s institutionalized, something you won&#8217;t see elsewhere.</p>
<p>Schools here are still functionally segregated, because the whites pulled out to the suburbs and/or moved their children into private schools &#8211; something further aided by the selling out of the public school system to the charters post-Katrina.  The better schools are 90%+ white, and the horribly underfunded public schools (often missing such basics as textbooks, A/C, and functioning plumbing) are 95%+ black &amp; Latino.  And forget &#8220;functionally&#8221;, schools here were still formally segregated as late as the 1980s!  My friend&#8217;s older brother went to fully segregated schools in Jefferson Parish (home of David Duke) that did not integrate until after his graduation in the early 1980s (1983 IIRC).</p>
<p>Then there are the roads, which are bad throughout the city but MUCH worse in the black neighborhoods.  Same with public services.  Same with police &#8211; I can call from Uptown and get a cop to respond relatively promptly, but if you&#8217;re calling from Central City forget about it (unless you report a naked woman running around.  No, I&#8217;m not joking or being sarcastic &#8211; people have tested this).  Plus the 1993 integration of MG krewes I mentioned earlier.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s racism everywhere.  But not only is it more visible here, it&#8217;s more acceptable and more built into the legal and social systems here than I&#8217;ve seen anywhere else in this country.</p>
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