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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/04/30/circling-the-wagons/comment-page-1/#comment-26594</link>
		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 22:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for that link, Penny. I just cast my vote.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that link, Penny. I just cast my vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Penny_Esq</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/04/30/circling-the-wagons/comment-page-1/#comment-26592</link>
		<dc:creator>Penny_Esq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 22:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, and hey, by the way, Above the Law has a poll - was the email offensive? Was it racist?

Shockingly, the majority of the ATL readership does NOT think the email was racist. About 65% think it was very offensive or somewhat offensive.

A link, if you can hold your breath long enough to venture over there and cast your vote: &lt;a href=&quot;http://abovethelaw.com/2010/04/the-harvard-email-controversy-please-vote-in-our-polls/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ATL Grace Email Poll&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and hey, by the way, Above the Law has a poll &#8211; was the email offensive? Was it racist?</p>
<p>Shockingly, the majority of the ATL readership does NOT think the email was racist. About 65% think it was very offensive or somewhat offensive.</p>
<p>A link, if you can hold your breath long enough to venture over there and cast your vote: <a href="http://abovethelaw.com/2010/04/the-harvard-email-controversy-please-vote-in-our-polls/" rel="nofollow">ATL Grace Email Poll</a></p>
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		<title>By: Penny_Esq</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/04/30/circling-the-wagons/comment-page-1/#comment-26591</link>
		<dc:creator>Penny_Esq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 22:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@bluebears: The 9th Circuit *is* the most liberal circuit generally speaking, but it&#039;s also the biggest appellate circuit so despite its general liberalness, it&#039;s not staffed solely by libs. Kozinski is well to the right of most 9th Circuit judges, but if he sat on the 7th Circuit, for example, he be considered more centrist.

Kozinski also doesn&#039;t really follow the party line - he&#039;s kind of Scalia-esque in that his opinions are often snarky and funny, but he&#039;s more independent than Scalia when it comes to actual decisions. He&#039;s a little manic pixie-ish, if you will. The creepy porn thing was creepy, for sure, and totally inappropriate, as well, but he was known for being quirky and off-beat for years before that.

All of which is to say, I would be surprised if he pulled Grace&#039;s clerkship - he doesn&#039;t have any reason to, really, having survived the porn thing (people were calling for him to be impeached), and being a conservative judge, surely he runs in circles where these types of views are espoused. The lesson he learned is the one Ms. Grace is learning now: keep it to yourself. It&#039;s not the content that&#039;s the problem,  it&#039;s the dissemination.

On the bright side, however, Kozinski&#039;s clerks work 16-hour days seven days a week. It&#039;s not a summer clerkship, either, it&#039;s a full year, with no vacations. A Kozinski clerkship is one of the most grueling and brutal in the country - it&#039;s the lawyer version of a tour of duty, if you&#039;ve got a family, don&#039;t even bother moving them to Pasadena because you&#039;ll never see them. On the other hand, Kozinski is a feeder judge, which means his clerks have a HUGE advantage when it comes to obtaining Supreme Court clerkships (which is why people suffer through a year in his service in the first place). Can&#039;t you just see Thomas picking up Grace *because* of this email?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bluebears: The 9th Circuit *is* the most liberal circuit generally speaking, but it&#8217;s also the biggest appellate circuit so despite its general liberalness, it&#8217;s not staffed solely by libs. Kozinski is well to the right of most 9th Circuit judges, but if he sat on the 7th Circuit, for example, he be considered more centrist.</p>
<p>Kozinski also doesn&#8217;t really follow the party line &#8211; he&#8217;s kind of Scalia-esque in that his opinions are often snarky and funny, but he&#8217;s more independent than Scalia when it comes to actual decisions. He&#8217;s a little manic pixie-ish, if you will. The creepy porn thing was creepy, for sure, and totally inappropriate, as well, but he was known for being quirky and off-beat for years before that.</p>
<p>All of which is to say, I would be surprised if he pulled Grace&#8217;s clerkship &#8211; he doesn&#8217;t have any reason to, really, having survived the porn thing (people were calling for him to be impeached), and being a conservative judge, surely he runs in circles where these types of views are espoused. The lesson he learned is the one Ms. Grace is learning now: keep it to yourself. It&#8217;s not the content that&#8217;s the problem,  it&#8217;s the dissemination.</p>
<p>On the bright side, however, Kozinski&#8217;s clerks work 16-hour days seven days a week. It&#8217;s not a summer clerkship, either, it&#8217;s a full year, with no vacations. A Kozinski clerkship is one of the most grueling and brutal in the country &#8211; it&#8217;s the lawyer version of a tour of duty, if you&#8217;ve got a family, don&#8217;t even bother moving them to Pasadena because you&#8217;ll never see them. On the other hand, Kozinski is a feeder judge, which means his clerks have a HUGE advantage when it comes to obtaining Supreme Court clerkships (which is why people suffer through a year in his service in the first place). Can&#8217;t you just see Thomas picking up Grace *because* of this email?</p>
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		<title>By: Blumenthal</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/04/30/circling-the-wagons/comment-page-1/#comment-26576</link>
		<dc:creator>Blumenthal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 07:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[***She claims that “prenatal levels of testosterone” are to blame for women’s ***

This is what Professor Doreen Kimura suggests.

http://www.sfu.ca/~dkimura/articles/Ceci%20Essay.htm

(2007)  Why Aren&#039;t More Women In Science?  S.J. Ceci &amp; W. Williams (Eds.), APA Books,  39-46.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>***She claims that “prenatal levels of testosterone” are to blame for women’s ***</p>
<p>This is what Professor Doreen Kimura suggests.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sfu.ca/~dkimura/articles/Ceci%20Essay.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfu.ca/~dkimura/articles/Ceci%20Essay.htm</a></p>
<p>(2007)  Why Aren&#8217;t More Women In Science?  S.J. Ceci &amp; W. Williams (Eds.), APA Books,  39-46.</p>
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		<title>By: Blumenthal</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/04/30/circling-the-wagons/comment-page-1/#comment-26575</link>
		<dc:creator>Blumenthal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 07:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[***Princeton will probably be more important for her career than the fact that she’s a raging, pseudo-scientific bigot.***

Do you think that about Princeton bio-ethicist, Peter Singer? He notes that ‘A Darwinian Left’ would not:

“Assume that all inequalities are due to discrimination, prejudice, oppression or social conditioning. Some will be, but this cannot be assumed in every case”

Harvard Psychology Professor Steven Pinker’s 2006 Edge Essay on dangerous ideas entitled “Groups of people may differ genetically in their average talents and temperaments”.

You should follow Professor Steve Hsu’s advice:

“it is important to note that group differences are statistical in nature and do not imply anything about particular individuals. Rather than rely on the scientifically unsupported claim that we are all equal, it would be better to emphasize that we all have inalienable human rights regardless of our abilities or genetic makeup.” (Jan 2007)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>***Princeton will probably be more important for her career than the fact that she’s a raging, pseudo-scientific bigot.***</p>
<p>Do you think that about Princeton bio-ethicist, Peter Singer? He notes that ‘A Darwinian Left’ would not:</p>
<p>“Assume that all inequalities are due to discrimination, prejudice, oppression or social conditioning. Some will be, but this cannot be assumed in every case”</p>
<p>Harvard Psychology Professor Steven Pinker’s 2006 Edge Essay on dangerous ideas entitled “Groups of people may differ genetically in their average talents and temperaments”.</p>
<p>You should follow Professor Steve Hsu’s advice:</p>
<p>“it is important to note that group differences are statistical in nature and do not imply anything about particular individuals. Rather than rely on the scientifically unsupported claim that we are all equal, it would be better to emphasize that we all have inalienable human rights regardless of our abilities or genetic makeup.” (Jan 2007)</p>
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		<title>By: Christina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 08:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What I find annoying/sad/infuriating about this is that Grace&#039;s training at HLS and Princeton will probably be more important for her career than the fact that she&#039;s a raging, pseudo-scientific bigot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I find annoying/sad/infuriating about this is that Grace&#8217;s training at HLS and Princeton will probably be more important for her career than the fact that she&#8217;s a raging, pseudo-scientific bigot.</p>
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		<title>By: ahimsa</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/04/30/circling-the-wagons/comment-page-1/#comment-26546</link>
		<dc:creator>ahimsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 03:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the issues that really bugs me is when people who have *no training in genetics* make broad proclamations that a certain trait or behavior is either biological or more prevalent in a certain &quot;race.&quot; I&#039;m not an expert, either, but at least I know enough to realize that genetics is a very complex issue and I might want to read what the experts have to say about it before I start making random assertions. Don&#039;t folks think they should know a little something about a subject before they talk about it?

As an aside, I recently read an interesting book on this subject called Race in Mind: Race, IQ, and Other Racisms by Alexander Alland. I recommend the book even though it gets a bit heavy in certain sections (e.g., clinal variations): 

http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio?inkey=61-9780312238384-1]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the issues that really bugs me is when people who have *no training in genetics* make broad proclamations that a certain trait or behavior is either biological or more prevalent in a certain &#8220;race.&#8221; I&#8217;m not an expert, either, but at least I know enough to realize that genetics is a very complex issue and I might want to read what the experts have to say about it before I start making random assertions. Don&#8217;t folks think they should know a little something about a subject before they talk about it?</p>
<p>As an aside, I recently read an interesting book on this subject called Race in Mind: Race, IQ, and Other Racisms by Alexander Alland. I recommend the book even though it gets a bit heavy in certain sections (e.g., clinal variations): </p>
<p><a href="http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio?inkey=61-9780312238384-1" rel="nofollow">http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio?inkey=61-9780312238384-1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brennan</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/04/30/circling-the-wagons/comment-page-1/#comment-26532</link>
		<dc:creator>Brennan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 21:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Cat,
I blame Watson and his ilk for a lot of the proliferation of this mindset.  If it weren&#039;t for &quot;celebrity endorsements&quot; of eugenics, Grace might not be any less racist, but she probably wouldn&#039;t think to use &quot;science&quot; as a shield.  The sad part is, Watson and others have been quietly eviscerated by the scientific community, but that story never makes it into the news, so people think they&#039;re &quot;controversial&quot; rather than just wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Cat,<br />
I blame Watson and his ilk for a lot of the proliferation of this mindset.  If it weren&#8217;t for &#8220;celebrity endorsements&#8221; of eugenics, Grace might not be any less racist, but she probably wouldn&#8217;t think to use &#8220;science&#8221; as a shield.  The sad part is, Watson and others have been quietly eviscerated by the scientific community, but that story never makes it into the news, so people think they&#8217;re &#8220;controversial&#8221; rather than just wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: AmBam</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/04/30/circling-the-wagons/comment-page-1/#comment-26511</link>
		<dc:creator>AmBam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 12:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This just proves that with enough privilege and expensive education, you can be anything you want - even a public racist! That&#039;s the real American Dream right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This just proves that with enough privilege and expensive education, you can be anything you want &#8211; even a public racist! That&#8217;s the real American Dream right?</p>
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		<title>By: Endora</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/04/30/circling-the-wagons/comment-page-1/#comment-26481</link>
		<dc:creator>Endora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 21:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amen, Sarah.  That&#039;s the best take-down in this that I&#039;ve read yet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, Sarah.  That&#8217;s the best take-down in this that I&#8217;ve read yet.</p>
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