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		<title>By: Literary Link Love &#124; The Feminist Texican [Reads]</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/05/24/in-praise-of-stieg-larssons-millenium-trilogy/comment-page-1/#comment-30483</link>
		<dc:creator>Literary Link Love &#124; The Feminist Texican [Reads]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 13:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/05/24/in-praise-of-stieg-larssons-millenium-trilogy/comment-page-1/#comment-28131</link>
		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 19:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Gorda: It&#039;s a good question. I actually disagree about the Spanish title. It is softer than the Swedish, and by softening the word &quot;hate&quot;, they removed some of the shock value that Larsson intended. I would have translated it into Spanish as &lt;em&gt; Los hombres que odiaban a las mujeres. &lt;/em&gt; 

As for the English titles, my guess is that the publisher prefered the repetition of &quot;girl who&quot; because it links the books thematically, which is a common style for mystery series. I also think the colloquialism &quot;castles in the air&quot; and &quot;can of gasoline&quot; don&#039;t work quite as well in English, so the (UK) publisher chose ones that are more familiar to an English-speaking audience.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gorda: It&#8217;s a good question. I actually disagree about the Spanish title. It is softer than the Swedish, and by softening the word &#8220;hate&#8221;, they removed some of the shock value that Larsson intended. I would have translated it into Spanish as <em> Los hombres que odiaban a las mujeres. </em> </p>
<p>As for the English titles, my guess is that the publisher prefered the repetition of &#8220;girl who&#8221; because it links the books thematically, which is a common style for mystery series. I also think the colloquialism &#8220;castles in the air&#8221; and &#8220;can of gasoline&#8221; don&#8217;t work quite as well in English, so the (UK) publisher chose ones that are more familiar to an English-speaking audience.</p>
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		<title>By: Gorda</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/05/24/in-praise-of-stieg-larssons-millenium-trilogy/comment-page-1/#comment-28109</link>
		<dc:creator>Gorda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 13:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anecdotal, but something that makes me wonder: in Spanish, the titles are translated as &quot;Los hombres que no amaban a las mujeres&quot; (the men who didn&#039;t love women), &quot;La chica que soñaba con una cerilla y un bidón de gasolina&quot; (the girl who dreamed about a match and a can of gasoline) and &quot;La reina en el palacio de las corrientes de aire&quot; (the queen in the drafty palace). I don&#039;t speak Swedish but, intuitively, I&#039;d say the Spanish translation is truer to the original titles. Anybody have any thoughts on why the English translation departs so much from the original? 

Apart from maybe sounding less clunky and/or more marketable, I think this change shifts the focus of the novels, especially in the first one, in which Blomkvist is as central as Salander, yet the title construes the novel as being mostly about her.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anecdotal, but something that makes me wonder: in Spanish, the titles are translated as &#8220;Los hombres que no amaban a las mujeres&#8221; (the men who didn&#8217;t love women), &#8220;La chica que soñaba con una cerilla y un bidón de gasolina&#8221; (the girl who dreamed about a match and a can of gasoline) and &#8220;La reina en el palacio de las corrientes de aire&#8221; (the queen in the drafty palace). I don&#8217;t speak Swedish but, intuitively, I&#8217;d say the Spanish translation is truer to the original titles. Anybody have any thoughts on why the English translation departs so much from the original? </p>
<p>Apart from maybe sounding less clunky and/or more marketable, I think this change shifts the focus of the novels, especially in the first one, in which Blomkvist is as central as Salander, yet the title construes the novel as being mostly about her.</p>
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		<title>By: kiki</title>
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		<dc:creator>kiki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 19:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@BeckySharper

Thanks for clearing that up for me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@BeckySharper</p>
<p>Thanks for clearing that up for me.</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/05/24/in-praise-of-stieg-larssons-millenium-trilogy/comment-page-1/#comment-27949</link>
		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 13:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, Cimorene! You get 1,000 extra points for devouring that book so quickly!

Glad you liked it! You&#039;ll enjoy the others...the 3rd is particularly satisfying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Cimorene! You get 1,000 extra points for devouring that book so quickly!</p>
<p>Glad you liked it! You&#8217;ll enjoy the others&#8230;the 3rd is particularly satisfying.</p>
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		<title>By: Cimorene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cimorene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 12:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just finished it. I started it at 11 last night and didn&#039;t stop reading it until I finished it at 7 this morning. It was good. The violence was alluded to but it definitely didn&#039;t make me sick--well, actually it did, but only in the general Oh the Patriarchy I Hate You kind of way, not the I Can&#039;t Get This Horrific Image Out of My Head kind of way. I can handle the first--it does summarize my day-to-day way of living, after all. But the second fucks me up too bad to handle it well and I end up a weeping mess. 

I&#039;ll refrain from further musings so&#039;s to not be too spoiler-y. 

Now I must go read the rest of the series. Thank you, internet, for providing me with instant BookCrack.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just finished it. I started it at 11 last night and didn&#8217;t stop reading it until I finished it at 7 this morning. It was good. The violence was alluded to but it definitely didn&#8217;t make me sick&#8211;well, actually it did, but only in the general Oh the Patriarchy I Hate You kind of way, not the I Can&#8217;t Get This Horrific Image Out of My Head kind of way. I can handle the first&#8211;it does summarize my day-to-day way of living, after all. But the second fucks me up too bad to handle it well and I end up a weeping mess. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll refrain from further musings so&#8217;s to not be too spoiler-y. </p>
<p>Now I must go read the rest of the series. Thank you, internet, for providing me with instant BookCrack.</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 12:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Kiki:  Do you think I would have written in praise of books where we&#039;re supposed to cheer for rape?   At no point in this series is rape portrayed as something &quot;the reader should cheer for&quot;---as I think the post makes perfectly clear.

The main character, Lisbeth, is a rape &lt;strong&gt;victim&lt;/strong&gt;, not a rapist. As for the &quot;cheating&quot;, one of the main characters has an open marriage, and has an extra-marital relationship with the full knowledge and consent of her husband.  We&#039;re neither supposed to cheer for it nor condemn it---it&#039;s portrayed as a personal choice between consenting adults.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kiki:  Do you think I would have written in praise of books where we&#8217;re supposed to cheer for rape?   At no point in this series is rape portrayed as something &#8220;the reader should cheer for&#8221;&#8212;as I think the post makes perfectly clear.</p>
<p>The main character, Lisbeth, is a rape <strong>victim</strong>, not a rapist. As for the &#8220;cheating&#8221;, one of the main characters has an open marriage, and has an extra-marital relationship with the full knowledge and consent of her husband.  We&#8217;re neither supposed to cheer for it nor condemn it&#8212;it&#8217;s portrayed as a personal choice between consenting adults.</p>
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		<title>By: kiki</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/05/24/in-praise-of-stieg-larssons-millenium-trilogy/comment-page-1/#comment-27936</link>
		<dc:creator>kiki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 04:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know if this is true or not, but I heard that the main character rapes someone, and that there are extra marital affairs. Please tell me this is not true. The books sound interesting but I don&#039;t want to read a series where rape and cheating are portrayed as a good thing. 

(I&#039;m not bugged that their is rape and cheating, just that they are supposedly shown as good things the reader should cheer for)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if this is true or not, but I heard that the main character rapes someone, and that there are extra marital affairs. Please tell me this is not true. The books sound interesting but I don&#8217;t want to read a series where rape and cheating are portrayed as a good thing. </p>
<p>(I&#8217;m not bugged that their is rape and cheating, just that they are supposedly shown as good things the reader should cheer for)</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 18:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Cimorene: I agree with the other commenters who&#039;ve said the violence isn&#039;t gratuitious, and I don&#039;t think it&#039;s especially graphic. 

Larsson tells you what happened, but the tone is matter-of fact and journalistic instead of masturbatory. He never gets into that really nasty fetishistic second-by-second description of torture/rape/violence that a lot of crime writers do. That kind of writing always infuriates and sickens me; I wouldn&#039;t recommend a book that featured scenes like that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Cimorene: I agree with the other commenters who&#8217;ve said the violence isn&#8217;t gratuitious, and I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s especially graphic. </p>
<p>Larsson tells you what happened, but the tone is matter-of fact and journalistic instead of masturbatory. He never gets into that really nasty fetishistic second-by-second description of torture/rape/violence that a lot of crime writers do. That kind of writing always infuriates and sickens me; I wouldn&#8217;t recommend a book that featured scenes like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Cimorene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cimorene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 16:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are there very vivid descriptions of violent physical torture in these books? Not that your average instance of sexual violence isn&#039;t torture, but I have developed a pretty good way to deal with descriptions of sexual violence--I can easily imagine/see it as a sort of standard, unsingular event, with no specific details. But with descriptions of torture, I have trouble ignoring the details, which then bore into my brain and make me sick. So I can handle &quot;she killed him in such and such way with such and such blood everywhere,&quot; but any of those torture-porn-esque movies, with scary people in masks forcing people to chop off their own legs or shoot their dogs or such, make me feel dizzy just to think about. 

But I&#039;d love to read these books if I could handle the violence. I just know that once I read one, I won&#039;t be able to stop until I finish them, and if they&#039;re too violent for me I&#039;ll have nightmares for the rest of the summer, and won&#039;t get any sleep.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are there very vivid descriptions of violent physical torture in these books? Not that your average instance of sexual violence isn&#8217;t torture, but I have developed a pretty good way to deal with descriptions of sexual violence&#8211;I can easily imagine/see it as a sort of standard, unsingular event, with no specific details. But with descriptions of torture, I have trouble ignoring the details, which then bore into my brain and make me sick. So I can handle &#8220;she killed him in such and such way with such and such blood everywhere,&#8221; but any of those torture-porn-esque movies, with scary people in masks forcing people to chop off their own legs or shoot their dogs or such, make me feel dizzy just to think about. </p>
<p>But I&#8217;d love to read these books if I could handle the violence. I just know that once I read one, I won&#8217;t be able to stop until I finish them, and if they&#8217;re too violent for me I&#8217;ll have nightmares for the rest of the summer, and won&#8217;t get any sleep.</p>
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