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		<title>By: aplastic</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/07/08/all-the-skeptic-ladies-all-the-skeptic-ladies/comment-page-2/#comment-30943</link>
		<dc:creator>aplastic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 23:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;But crafting conventions are overflowing with women. And women participate in religious groups.&quot;

These women tend to be traditional women to begin with unlike skeptics and likely have men as the primary &quot;breadwinners&quot; in their households.  Therefore the money issue does not affect them the same.  Religious groups and crafting may be seen as &quot;required&quot; to them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But crafting conventions are overflowing with women. And women participate in religious groups.&#8221;</p>
<p>These women tend to be traditional women to begin with unlike skeptics and likely have men as the primary &#8220;breadwinners&#8221; in their households.  Therefore the money issue does not affect them the same.  Religious groups and crafting may be seen as &#8220;required&#8221; to them.</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@FatSteve: &lt;em&gt;They were killed in the name of power. &lt;/em&gt; Yes, exactly. Just like the people killed by religious warfare, which is equally about power and control.  You&#039;re pretending that atheists are all just intellectuals who never hurt a fly and willfully ignoring the atheist political regimes out there that use non-religion as a pretext to kill and oppress people whose religion they hate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@FatSteve: <em>They were killed in the name of power. </em> Yes, exactly. Just like the people killed by religious warfare, which is equally about power and control.  You&#8217;re pretending that atheists are all just intellectuals who never hurt a fly and willfully ignoring the atheist political regimes out there that use non-religion as a pretext to kill and oppress people whose religion they hate.</p>
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		<title>By: Fat Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fat Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 04:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@BeckySharper: I&#039;m sorry but I disagree with almost everything you said. None of those people was killed &#039;in the name of non-religion.&#039;  They were killed in the name of power. Besides ,the term &#039;atheist leaders&#039; in this context refers to people like Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, etc, not to people like Fidel Castro and Kim Jong Il. Religious leaders are people like Pat Robertson, RIck Warren, the Pope, and Ayatollah Khomeini are a million times more douche-y than Hitchens, Dawkins, et al.

That is- if you consider misogyny douche-y;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@BeckySharper: I&#8217;m sorry but I disagree with almost everything you said. None of those people was killed &#8216;in the name of non-religion.&#8217;  They were killed in the name of power. Besides ,the term &#8216;atheist leaders&#8217; in this context refers to people like Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, etc, not to people like Fidel Castro and Kim Jong Il. Religious leaders are people like Pat Robertson, RIck Warren, the Pope, and Ayatollah Khomeini are a million times more douche-y than Hitchens, Dawkins, et al.</p>
<p>That is- if you consider misogyny douche-y;</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 03:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@FatSteve: Yeah, like I said, atheist leaders are douche-y, but not socio-politically powerful, at least not in the West these days.  Communists and Marxists, as you may recall, have brutally persecuted and killed religious leaders and their congregations in the name of non-religion, for example, Jewish refusniks in the USSR, the Tibetan Buddhists in China, the Russian Orthodox in the USSR, Catholics in Vietnam and pretty much everyone of any religion in N. Korea. All those persecutions...because atheist leaders didn&#039;t want any religion competing with their regimes for authority or attention.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@FatSteve: Yeah, like I said, atheist leaders are douche-y, but not socio-politically powerful, at least not in the West these days.  Communists and Marxists, as you may recall, have brutally persecuted and killed religious leaders and their congregations in the name of non-religion, for example, Jewish refusniks in the USSR, the Tibetan Buddhists in China, the Russian Orthodox in the USSR, Catholics in Vietnam and pretty much everyone of any religion in N. Korea. All those persecutions&#8230;because atheist leaders didn&#8217;t want any religion competing with their regimes for authority or attention.</p>
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		<title>By: Fat Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fat Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 02:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@BeckySharper &quot;Yeah, the most vocal atheists out there are just as douche-y as religious leaders, just less socio-politically powerful.&quot;

Really? Really? 

Here&#039;s a few choice comments from the religious leaders:

&quot;Most of these feminists are radical, frustrated lesbians, many of them, and man-haters, and failures in their relationships with men, and who have declared war on the male gender. The Biblical condemnation of feminism has to do with its radical philosophy and goals. That&#039;s the bottom line.&quot; - Rev. Jerry Falwell

&quot;The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians.&quot; - Rev. Pat Robertson

Don&#039;t get me wrong, I found Hitchens Vanity Fair article about why women aren&#039;t funny, to be a bunch of sexist nonsense.
However, these religious leaders are responsible for untold horrors around the world. Don&#039;t get me started about the Catholic Church, the Islamic governments in Saudi Arabia and Iran, the Anti Palestinian Israelis and the Anti Israeli Palestinians. When it comes to being douche-y these people are in a totally different league!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@BeckySharper &#8220;Yeah, the most vocal atheists out there are just as douche-y as religious leaders, just less socio-politically powerful.&#8221;</p>
<p>Really? Really? </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a few choice comments from the religious leaders:</p>
<p>&#8220;Most of these feminists are radical, frustrated lesbians, many of them, and man-haters, and failures in their relationships with men, and who have declared war on the male gender. The Biblical condemnation of feminism has to do with its radical philosophy and goals. That&#8217;s the bottom line.&#8221; &#8211; Rev. Jerry Falwell</p>
<p>&#8220;The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians.&#8221; &#8211; Rev. Pat Robertson</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I found Hitchens Vanity Fair article about why women aren&#8217;t funny, to be a bunch of sexist nonsense.<br />
However, these religious leaders are responsible for untold horrors around the world. Don&#8217;t get me started about the Catholic Church, the Islamic governments in Saudi Arabia and Iran, the Anti Palestinian Israelis and the Anti Israeli Palestinians. When it comes to being douche-y these people are in a totally different league!</p>
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		<title>By: Adam R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 19:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I appreciate some of (as with all things) the merits behind agnostism and skepticism for the conversations and deductions it can bring about.  That said, I feel a lot of today&#039;s skepticism comes from laziness.  Especially among younger atheists/nihilists/anarchists that, I suspect, have very little understanding of the weight of what it means to take on such ethos.  I&#039;m talking high school aged kids with no life experience and so-forth. (The antithesis to the &quot;Jesus Camp&quot; crowd)   The argument of &quot;religion is so tied and dependent around boring unquestioned doctrine&quot; is becoming an unquestioned doctrine within itself.  The media&#039;s portrayal of the institution of faith is out to make headlines with sensationalism so how often will it speak of the good religion can do?  Hope keeps viewers tuned in way less than the priest abuse cases or the Westboro Baptist Church. Meanwhile, people like Glen Beck are condemning religion and calling for people to quit their churches because he calls it a socialist organization for helping immigrants, housing the poor and feeding the hungry. Ummmm...What?

Maybe women are overlooked in the skeptic community because we&#039;ve been sold this cocky &quot;boys club&quot; Bill Maher version of anti-religion while he snidely laughs (along with everything else he doesn&#039;t agree with) at an age old system of explaining that which was unanswerable in a chaotic, disease-ridden, violent time.  Religion may have been the cause of much suffering but has communism, capitalism, humanism been that gentle and lenient?  Wherever you have people involved you will find corruption, injustice and brutality.  Think what you will, but in an ever-increasingly consumerist world, maintenance of the soul is becoming a quickly evaporating activity.  

Atheists however are an easy scapegoat without question in this country.  (10 states actually include faith based questions on their civil service exams to bar agnostics and the like from holding public office)  Have you been privy to some caliber of e-mails being sent around warning of this &quot;atheist takeover&quot; and always closing with &quot;THIS NATION IS UNDER GOD, SPEAK ENGLISH OR GET OUT!!! DUHHHH.  LOLZ!&quot;?  No matter how advanced our society gets, the barbarians seem to be always at the door.  This country worships the God we trust on our money and, sadly, that&#039;s about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate some of (as with all things) the merits behind agnostism and skepticism for the conversations and deductions it can bring about.  That said, I feel a lot of today&#8217;s skepticism comes from laziness.  Especially among younger atheists/nihilists/anarchists that, I suspect, have very little understanding of the weight of what it means to take on such ethos.  I&#8217;m talking high school aged kids with no life experience and so-forth. (The antithesis to the &#8220;Jesus Camp&#8221; crowd)   The argument of &#8220;religion is so tied and dependent around boring unquestioned doctrine&#8221; is becoming an unquestioned doctrine within itself.  The media&#8217;s portrayal of the institution of faith is out to make headlines with sensationalism so how often will it speak of the good religion can do?  Hope keeps viewers tuned in way less than the priest abuse cases or the Westboro Baptist Church. Meanwhile, people like Glen Beck are condemning religion and calling for people to quit their churches because he calls it a socialist organization for helping immigrants, housing the poor and feeding the hungry. Ummmm&#8230;What?</p>
<p>Maybe women are overlooked in the skeptic community because we&#8217;ve been sold this cocky &#8220;boys club&#8221; Bill Maher version of anti-religion while he snidely laughs (along with everything else he doesn&#8217;t agree with) at an age old system of explaining that which was unanswerable in a chaotic, disease-ridden, violent time.  Religion may have been the cause of much suffering but has communism, capitalism, humanism been that gentle and lenient?  Wherever you have people involved you will find corruption, injustice and brutality.  Think what you will, but in an ever-increasingly consumerist world, maintenance of the soul is becoming a quickly evaporating activity.  </p>
<p>Atheists however are an easy scapegoat without question in this country.  (10 states actually include faith based questions on their civil service exams to bar agnostics and the like from holding public office)  Have you been privy to some caliber of e-mails being sent around warning of this &#8220;atheist takeover&#8221; and always closing with &#8220;THIS NATION IS UNDER GOD, SPEAK ENGLISH OR GET OUT!!! DUHHHH.  LOLZ!&#8221;?  No matter how advanced our society gets, the barbarians seem to be always at the door.  This country worships the God we trust on our money and, sadly, that&#8217;s about it.</p>
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		<title>By: GeekGirlsRule</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeekGirlsRule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 18:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think my biggest problem with the Atheist/Skeptic movement is the number of evo psych spouting Libertarian asshats involved.  For a bunch of &quot;skeptical&quot; individuals, they sure do take, &quot;But that&#039;s the way men/women are!&quot; at face value a lot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think my biggest problem with the Atheist/Skeptic movement is the number of evo psych spouting Libertarian asshats involved.  For a bunch of &#8220;skeptical&#8221; individuals, they sure do take, &#8220;But that&#8217;s the way men/women are!&#8221; at face value a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: ShinyObjects</title>
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		<dc:creator>ShinyObjects</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 14:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just throwing this out there. There is an internet constituency, The Brights (http://www.the-brights.net/), made up of individuals who have a naturalistic worldview. My involvement with the group hasn&#039;t gone beyond reading the newsletters, but I&#039;ve found it to be very thoughtful and not dude-centric. It isn&#039;t about telling religious people they are wrong, but following these principles:
**A bright is a person who has a naturalistic worldview 
**A bright&#039;s worldview is free of supernatural and mystical elements 
**The ethics and actions of a bright are based on a naturalistic worldview.

A lot of what they work on is how to frame discussions about how morality doesn&#039;t depend on a supernatural/religous worldview. 

I&#039;ll leave it at that - the website has plenty of info. Oh, and they are attempting to keep the name &quot;Bright&quot; free of association with the adjective &quot;bright&quot; - _not_ trying to imply that Brights are more intelligent than those who practice a religion. I don&#039;t know that I agree it was the best choice of name, but that ship has sailed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just throwing this out there. There is an internet constituency, The Brights (<a href="http://www.the-brights.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.the-brights.net/</a>), made up of individuals who have a naturalistic worldview. My involvement with the group hasn&#8217;t gone beyond reading the newsletters, but I&#8217;ve found it to be very thoughtful and not dude-centric. It isn&#8217;t about telling religious people they are wrong, but following these principles:<br />
**A bright is a person who has a naturalistic worldview<br />
**A bright&#8217;s worldview is free of supernatural and mystical elements<br />
**The ethics and actions of a bright are based on a naturalistic worldview.</p>
<p>A lot of what they work on is how to frame discussions about how morality doesn&#8217;t depend on a supernatural/religous worldview. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll leave it at that &#8211; the website has plenty of info. Oh, and they are attempting to keep the name &#8220;Bright&#8221; free of association with the adjective &#8220;bright&#8221; &#8211; _not_ trying to imply that Brights are more intelligent than those who practice a religion. I don&#8217;t know that I agree it was the best choice of name, but that ship has sailed.</p>
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		<title>By: SarahMC</title>
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		<dc:creator>SarahMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 12:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rats! I wish I could have contributed to the rest of the conversation but we still don&#039;t have Internet at the new apartment (long story, grumble grumble) so I&#039;m just getting online again.

I happen to think it&#039;s very important for non-theists to talk about their lack of belief, science, why you don&#039;t need &quot;god&quot; to live a moral life, etc. So much of public policy (in the U.S. and elsewhere) is based on superstition and the dogma of one particular faith. If we are to maintain any separation between church and state, those of us who do not believe in god (or who do but don&#039;t want it influencing politics) must speak out and advocate for reality-based policies.

I was actually just reading an essay by Dawkins, in which he pokes holes in the creationists&#039; &quot;god of the gaps&quot; theory and a couple other tactics they use when pushing for the teaching of intelligent design in public schools. It&#039;s important to understand how to refute their arguments if we are to gain any victories on that front, for example.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rats! I wish I could have contributed to the rest of the conversation but we still don&#8217;t have Internet at the new apartment (long story, grumble grumble) so I&#8217;m just getting online again.</p>
<p>I happen to think it&#8217;s very important for non-theists to talk about their lack of belief, science, why you don&#8217;t need &#8220;god&#8221; to live a moral life, etc. So much of public policy (in the U.S. and elsewhere) is based on superstition and the dogma of one particular faith. If we are to maintain any separation between church and state, those of us who do not believe in god (or who do but don&#8217;t want it influencing politics) must speak out and advocate for reality-based policies.</p>
<p>I was actually just reading an essay by Dawkins, in which he pokes holes in the creationists&#8217; &#8220;god of the gaps&#8221; theory and a couple other tactics they use when pushing for the teaching of intelligent design in public schools. It&#8217;s important to understand how to refute their arguments if we are to gain any victories on that front, for example.</p>
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		<title>By: mischiefmanager</title>
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		<dc:creator>mischiefmanager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 12:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love this whole idea-a bunch of guys trying to mansplain the unexplainable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this whole idea-a bunch of guys trying to mansplain the unexplainable.</p>
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