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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/07/13/heard/comment-page-1/#comment-30629</link>
		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 02:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Monkeyshines: You&#039;re contradicting yourself all over the place:

&lt;em&gt; He did make racist and misogynistic remarks &lt;/em&gt;

but

&lt;em&gt; It&#039;s the Duke University Lacrosse team...&quot; &lt;/em&gt;

but: 

&lt;em&gt; Not that Mel is blameless &lt;/em&gt;

Can&#039;t have it both ways. He&#039;s either blameless or he&#039;s not. You&#039;re both trying to excuse his vile behavior---because you &quot;read somewhere that Mel is manic-depressive&quot;---and at the same time saying he never actually did those things.  That&#039;s not logical.

Unless you believe the tape is entirely a hoax and it&#039;s not Mel Gibson at all, what&#039;s on it on it MORE than supports PhDork&#039;s assertion that he is  “violent, misogynist, racist, hate-filled, and utterly contemptible.”  He made those disgusting statements, he told her she &quot;deserved it&quot; when he punched her in the face, and he threatened to kill her.  

And I don&#039;t care if he&#039;s manic depressive or not. Being an addict or mentally ill doesn&#039;t give someone the right to abuse their partner or give them a free pass once they do it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Monkeyshines: You&#8217;re contradicting yourself all over the place:</p>
<p><em> He did make racist and misogynistic remarks </em></p>
<p>but</p>
<p><em> It&#8217;s the Duke University Lacrosse team&#8230;&#8221; </em></p>
<p>but: </p>
<p><em> Not that Mel is blameless </em></p>
<p>Can&#8217;t have it both ways. He&#8217;s either blameless or he&#8217;s not. You&#8217;re both trying to excuse his vile behavior&#8212;because you &#8220;read somewhere that Mel is manic-depressive&#8221;&#8212;and at the same time saying he never actually did those things.  That&#8217;s not logical.</p>
<p>Unless you believe the tape is entirely a hoax and it&#8217;s not Mel Gibson at all, what&#8217;s on it on it MORE than supports PhDork&#8217;s assertion that he is  “violent, misogynist, racist, hate-filled, and utterly contemptible.”  He made those disgusting statements, he told her she &#8220;deserved it&#8221; when he punched her in the face, and he threatened to kill her.  </p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t care if he&#8217;s manic depressive or not. Being an addict or mentally ill doesn&#8217;t give someone the right to abuse their partner or give them a free pass once they do it.</p>
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		<title>By: MonkeyShines</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/07/13/heard/comment-page-1/#comment-30628</link>
		<dc:creator>MonkeyShines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 02:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For the record, I also posted this at Zelda Lily.

He did make racist and misogynistic remarks, but the evidence that he is a physically abuser is rapidly vanishing.

His wife, well known as a woman of integrity, has testified that he never lifted a hand to her or her kids in their thirty years of marriage, and was a loving father. 

Meanwhile evidence has emerged that the tapes were digitally altered and Oksana’s dentist, who initially supported her claims of violent abuse, now says that she is lying, and the photo she has issued of her supposedly broken teeth is a fake.

It’s the Duke University Lacrosse team case all over again. Amazing how many people were demanding his head on a platter before all the evidence. There are some who are convinced that a man is by nature a predator and a woman by nature a victim.

Not that Mel is blameless. However much those tapes may have been edited, the raw material suggests someone with severe mental illness. I remember hearing somewhere that Mel is manic-depressive. It’s a terrible affliction that can bring out the worst in otherwise good people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, I also posted this at Zelda Lily.</p>
<p>He did make racist and misogynistic remarks, but the evidence that he is a physically abuser is rapidly vanishing.</p>
<p>His wife, well known as a woman of integrity, has testified that he never lifted a hand to her or her kids in their thirty years of marriage, and was a loving father. </p>
<p>Meanwhile evidence has emerged that the tapes were digitally altered and Oksana’s dentist, who initially supported her claims of violent abuse, now says that she is lying, and the photo she has issued of her supposedly broken teeth is a fake.</p>
<p>It’s the Duke University Lacrosse team case all over again. Amazing how many people were demanding his head on a platter before all the evidence. There are some who are convinced that a man is by nature a predator and a woman by nature a victim.</p>
<p>Not that Mel is blameless. However much those tapes may have been edited, the raw material suggests someone with severe mental illness. I remember hearing somewhere that Mel is manic-depressive. It’s a terrible affliction that can bring out the worst in otherwise good people.</p>
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		<title>By: isa</title>
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		<dc:creator>isa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 07:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Mel Gibson just keeps making things worse and worse for himself, by being a bigoted rage-o-holic.&quot;

there, fixed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mel Gibson just keeps making things worse and worse for himself, by being a bigoted rage-o-holic.&#8221;</p>
<p>there, fixed.</p>
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		<title>By: AtomiClash</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/07/13/heard/comment-page-1/#comment-30327</link>
		<dc:creator>AtomiClash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 03:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was watching this this morning with AtomicBoy over our coffee. As the words were leaving the anchor&#039;s mouth, he calmly reached over and took my scalding hot cup away from me before they were launched - as if by their own accord! - toward his roommate&#039;s TV...
The groveling attempts to remind us of The Career That Was are infuriating. Yeah, it sucks when someone you admired or thought of as a &quot;swell guy&quot; turns out to be vile, but things that suck worse: domestic violence and domestic violence apologists and victim-blaming culture.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was watching this this morning with AtomicBoy over our coffee. As the words were leaving the anchor&#8217;s mouth, he calmly reached over and took my scalding hot cup away from me before they were launched &#8211; as if by their own accord! &#8211; toward his roommate&#8217;s TV&#8230;<br />
The groveling attempts to remind us of The Career That Was are infuriating. Yeah, it sucks when someone you admired or thought of as a &#8220;swell guy&#8221; turns out to be vile, but things that suck worse: domestic violence and domestic violence apologists and victim-blaming culture.</p>
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		<title>By: JetGirl</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/07/13/heard/comment-page-1/#comment-30324</link>
		<dc:creator>JetGirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 22:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Damn, I just listened to Gibson&#039;s rants. Very scary. That poor woman!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, I just listened to Gibson&#8217;s rants. Very scary. That poor woman!</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/07/13/heard/comment-page-1/#comment-30321</link>
		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 19:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@emilyanne: That is SO Tom Cruise&#039;s story too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@emilyanne: That is SO Tom Cruise&#8217;s story too.</p>
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		<title>By: JetGirl</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/07/13/heard/comment-page-1/#comment-30320</link>
		<dc:creator>JetGirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 19:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Leave Mel alone! Can&#039;t you see he&#039;s hurting? *Cries until mascara runs, posts results on YouTube*]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leave Mel alone! Can&#8217;t you see he&#8217;s hurting? *Cries until mascara runs, posts results on YouTube*</p>
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		<title>By: emilyanne</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/07/13/heard/comment-page-1/#comment-30318</link>
		<dc:creator>emilyanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 19:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@BeckySharper - there was quite an interesting piece in the Guardian at the weekend about that. 

Basically about how Gibson&#039;s core was always this scary craziness but that that very craziness magnified as charisma on the big screen made him a star. In other words the piece argued you can&#039;t really say &#039;oh i liked him but now pearls clutch, he&#039;s a terrible man&#039; because on some level that instability was always present it&#039;s just that people chose to not see it when he was a success. 

Yet, at the same time, the writer argued that he wouldn&#039;t have been a success without it and that people knew that but didn&#039;t care while he was hot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@BeckySharper &#8211; there was quite an interesting piece in the Guardian at the weekend about that. </p>
<p>Basically about how Gibson&#8217;s core was always this scary craziness but that that very craziness magnified as charisma on the big screen made him a star. In other words the piece argued you can&#8217;t really say &#8216;oh i liked him but now pearls clutch, he&#8217;s a terrible man&#8217; because on some level that instability was always present it&#8217;s just that people chose to not see it when he was a success. </p>
<p>Yet, at the same time, the writer argued that he wouldn&#8217;t have been a success without it and that people knew that but didn&#8217;t care while he was hot.</p>
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		<title>By: Spark</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/07/13/heard/comment-page-1/#comment-30316</link>
		<dc:creator>Spark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Endora: Wow. If you can&#039;t judge someone for being pro-Hitler... wow.
I think the line is an idiosyncratic one. There are some entertainers I can&#039;t look at the same way, and some that I&#039;m easily able to separate from their work. Probably depends on how important their work is to me. But despite my emotional reaction, I vote with my dollar, like PhDork. I still love Wes Anderson movies, but I didn&#039;t buy a ticket for Fantastic Mr. Fox after he signed the Polanski petition.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Endora: Wow. If you can&#8217;t judge someone for being pro-Hitler&#8230; wow.<br />
I think the line is an idiosyncratic one. There are some entertainers I can&#8217;t look at the same way, and some that I&#8217;m easily able to separate from their work. Probably depends on how important their work is to me. But despite my emotional reaction, I vote with my dollar, like PhDork. I still love Wes Anderson movies, but I didn&#8217;t buy a ticket for Fantastic Mr. Fox after he signed the Polanski petition.</p>
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		<title>By: PhDork</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhDork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 16:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[charlemagne, the art v. artist debate is evergreen.  I couldn&#039;t care less about Gibson&#039;s oeuvre, but there are plenty of musicians--James Brown is the one who always springs to mind--who I think are bloody brilliant entertainers, but were also pretty reprehensible human beings.

I can&#039;t un-buy my JB recordings, and I obviously can&#039;t go see him in concert any more, so those ships have sailed, but I do try to vote with my dollar.  And I&#039;m generally very wary of idol-worship of any sort.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>charlemagne, the art v. artist debate is evergreen.  I couldn&#8217;t care less about Gibson&#8217;s oeuvre, but there are plenty of musicians&#8211;James Brown is the one who always springs to mind&#8211;who I think are bloody brilliant entertainers, but were also pretty reprehensible human beings.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t un-buy my JB recordings, and I obviously can&#8217;t go see him in concert any more, so those ships have sailed, but I do try to vote with my dollar.  And I&#8217;m generally very wary of idol-worship of any sort.</p>
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