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	<title>Comments on: Commenters Suck (Except Y&#8217;all, Of Course)</title>
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		<title>By: Mackey</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/07/19/commenters-suck-except-yall-of-course/comment-page-1/#comment-31020</link>
		<dc:creator>Mackey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Lincoln - thanks for your post.. it has caused me to have a rethink about my position..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lincoln &#8211; thanks for your post.. it has caused me to have a rethink about my position..</p>
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		<title>By: Lincoln</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lincoln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 16:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I comment under my real name, but I always have for most of my life.

I&#039;ve been recently made aware that there is a great deal of white privilege that goes along with that. As a white person, what I write online (in commentas well as on the 3 blogs I run) won&#039;t be held against me as a representation of my entire race.

If someone hunts me down and harrasses me because of what I say online and I contact the police about it, they will believe me and take it very seriously. Because I&#039;m white.

I don&#039;t have to guard my already limited econmic opportunities out of fear that the doors won&#039;t be shut on me entirely because a white person in charge of hiring found a post I wrote calling out racism. In fact, since I&#039;m white, I may be congratulated for it.

I actually used to write comments under my first and last name, but they started to be pop up on Google a little too visibly even for my rather openly militant tastes. The web is becoming a much tighter presence in the world. We expect people to give up more and more right to their own information, and look sideways at them when they express reservations.

I think the responsibility mostly lies with the moderators. People are gonna be dicks. I never comment at some place that requires too much info from me or an actuall ccount registration to say anything. 

I guess I&#039;m weird like that, but I ought to be able to wander by a post on a topic I&#039;m interested in and holler out that I agree without having to turn my head and cough first.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I comment under my real name, but I always have for most of my life.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been recently made aware that there is a great deal of white privilege that goes along with that. As a white person, what I write online (in commentas well as on the 3 blogs I run) won&#8217;t be held against me as a representation of my entire race.</p>
<p>If someone hunts me down and harrasses me because of what I say online and I contact the police about it, they will believe me and take it very seriously. Because I&#8217;m white.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have to guard my already limited econmic opportunities out of fear that the doors won&#8217;t be shut on me entirely because a white person in charge of hiring found a post I wrote calling out racism. In fact, since I&#8217;m white, I may be congratulated for it.</p>
<p>I actually used to write comments under my first and last name, but they started to be pop up on Google a little too visibly even for my rather openly militant tastes. The web is becoming a much tighter presence in the world. We expect people to give up more and more right to their own information, and look sideways at them when they express reservations.</p>
<p>I think the responsibility mostly lies with the moderators. People are gonna be dicks. I never comment at some place that requires too much info from me or an actuall ccount registration to say anything. </p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;m weird like that, but I ought to be able to wander by a post on a topic I&#8217;m interested in and holler out that I agree without having to turn my head and cough first.</p>
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		<title>By: Friday Links! &#124; Vicki Boykis</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/07/19/commenters-suck-except-yall-of-course/comment-page-1/#comment-30852</link>
		<dc:creator>Friday Links! &#124; Vicki Boykis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Silvas</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/07/19/commenters-suck-except-yall-of-course/comment-page-1/#comment-30761</link>
		<dc:creator>Silvas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 15:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m all for pseudonymity, but not too much anonymity. I use one of three nicknames all over the web.

As you might guess by my never commenting here I am a lurker. Not because I don&#039;t have anything to say, but because I have some social anxiety issues. While I haven&#039;t had any firsthand experience with stalking, and my family know all about my strong opinions, people are terrifying to me and I do not want just anyone to find out what my real name is. The thought just scares me to death, I&#039;ve avoided social networking sites so completely that I panic when I see I need to sign up to Facebook to do something.

So yes, for all the reasons already mentioned, and this one added, I think real names everywhere is not really the best decision. I&#039;d never comment anywhere anymore, for starters. :P]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m all for pseudonymity, but not too much anonymity. I use one of three nicknames all over the web.</p>
<p>As you might guess by my never commenting here I am a lurker. Not because I don&#8217;t have anything to say, but because I have some social anxiety issues. While I haven&#8217;t had any firsthand experience with stalking, and my family know all about my strong opinions, people are terrifying to me and I do not want just anyone to find out what my real name is. The thought just scares me to death, I&#8217;ve avoided social networking sites so completely that I panic when I see I need to sign up to Facebook to do something.</p>
<p>So yes, for all the reasons already mentioned, and this one added, I think real names everywhere is not really the best decision. I&#8217;d never comment anywhere anymore, for starters. <img src='http://www.harpyness.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: craftydabbler</title>
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		<dc:creator>craftydabbler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 05:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wouldn&#039;t comment if I had to use my real name. I was in a long term abusive relationship that ended about 15 years ago.  That person is still out there and I don&#039;t want her to find me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t comment if I had to use my real name. I was in a long term abusive relationship that ended about 15 years ago.  That person is still out there and I don&#8217;t want her to find me.</p>
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		<title>By: Mackey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mackey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 02:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with a lot of the sentiments already expressed here - in particular the idea of having some kind of pseudonimity.

My harpy name is linked somewhat to my name. And it&#039;s a nick that others have occassionally taken to calling me. So if someone was to yell out &quot;Mackey&quot; in my material world, I would definately look up and about. But in saying that, Mackey is a common enough name, and my name will bring up lots of others who share a similar first and last name.

In saying that, from my personal perspective, I wouldn&#039;t have a lot of issues with what I have said online, and it would have at some point been said face to face to others. 

In this way people that eavesdrop/overhear conversations I have with others and want to start stalking are no different to internet trolls. I have had the unfortunate experience of having a meat world stalker take issue what I have said and tried to track me down. 

My thinking is that if similar rules to real life apply to online, I think most people won&#039;t be trolls. So long as, similar to real life, I have an opportunity to change my ideas over time or not as the case may be, develop friendships/skills/interests, etc then I think things would be ok.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with a lot of the sentiments already expressed here &#8211; in particular the idea of having some kind of pseudonimity.</p>
<p>My harpy name is linked somewhat to my name. And it&#8217;s a nick that others have occassionally taken to calling me. So if someone was to yell out &#8220;Mackey&#8221; in my material world, I would definately look up and about. But in saying that, Mackey is a common enough name, and my name will bring up lots of others who share a similar first and last name.</p>
<p>In saying that, from my personal perspective, I wouldn&#8217;t have a lot of issues with what I have said online, and it would have at some point been said face to face to others. </p>
<p>In this way people that eavesdrop/overhear conversations I have with others and want to start stalking are no different to internet trolls. I have had the unfortunate experience of having a meat world stalker take issue what I have said and tried to track me down. </p>
<p>My thinking is that if similar rules to real life apply to online, I think most people won&#8217;t be trolls. So long as, similar to real life, I have an opportunity to change my ideas over time or not as the case may be, develop friendships/skills/interests, etc then I think things would be ok.</p>
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		<title>By: clairedeloony</title>
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		<dc:creator>clairedeloony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 01:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a shy person IRL. Okay, maybe &quot;reserved&quot; is a better word - there are maybe two people who know everything there is to know about me. I&#039;m cautious of what I tell other people because I will invariably get shit for it (once I accidentally told my dad I was for the public option. Wow! That didn&#039;t end well.) Co-workers and bosses know the least about my personal life and opinions, and I&#039;d like to keep it that way. My Facebook is really, really dull.

So I am all about anonymity. If my boss called me into their office and called me out on something I wrote online, I would own it, because I never say anything on the internets that I don&#039;t mean. But I would rather avoid the conversation. My boss making fun of me for playing video games (oh, I hated that job) is not a situation I&#039;d like to repeat. 

But being extremely opinionated online is starting to trickle over into my real life - I&#039;ve been saying what I think way more often, and while it causes the usual amount of bullshit, I&#039;m able to take it better because having a support system of snarky brilliant fellow-anons all over the place makes me more confident.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a shy person IRL. Okay, maybe &#8220;reserved&#8221; is a better word &#8211; there are maybe two people who know everything there is to know about me. I&#8217;m cautious of what I tell other people because I will invariably get shit for it (once I accidentally told my dad I was for the public option. Wow! That didn&#8217;t end well.) Co-workers and bosses know the least about my personal life and opinions, and I&#8217;d like to keep it that way. My Facebook is really, really dull.</p>
<p>So I am all about anonymity. If my boss called me into their office and called me out on something I wrote online, I would own it, because I never say anything on the internets that I don&#8217;t mean. But I would rather avoid the conversation. My boss making fun of me for playing video games (oh, I hated that job) is not a situation I&#8217;d like to repeat. </p>
<p>But being extremely opinionated online is starting to trickle over into my real life &#8211; I&#8217;ve been saying what I think way more often, and while it causes the usual amount of bullshit, I&#8217;m able to take it better because having a support system of snarky brilliant fellow-anons all over the place makes me more confident.</p>
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		<title>By: wondering</title>
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		<dc:creator>wondering</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 21:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m one of those people with a unique name. I only publish professionally using my real name; personal stuff is put under a pseudonym, and yes, that includes my FaceBook account. I have no interest in having my personal and professional life linked, especially by prospective employers.

I am okay with having to provide a real email address, standardizing on a single pseudonym for each commenter (to cut back puppetry), and draconian comment policies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m one of those people with a unique name. I only publish professionally using my real name; personal stuff is put under a pseudonym, and yes, that includes my FaceBook account. I have no interest in having my personal and professional life linked, especially by prospective employers.</p>
<p>I am okay with having to provide a real email address, standardizing on a single pseudonym for each commenter (to cut back puppetry), and draconian comment policies.</p>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention Commenters Suck (Except Y’all, Of Course) - The Pursuit of Harpyness -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention Commenters Suck (Except Y’all, Of Course) - The Pursuit of Harpyness -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 21:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Diana, Pursuit of Harpyness. Pursuit of Harpyness said: Commenters Suck (Except Y&#039;all, Of Course) @ http://bit.ly/bEpEG4 [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Mockingbird</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/07/19/commenters-suck-except-yall-of-course/comment-page-1/#comment-30704</link>
		<dc:creator>Mockingbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 20:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I use the same handle everywhere, and have since the early Jezebel days, even though I don&#039;t comment there anymore.  I&#039;ve got a meatworld FB account and one for this persona, with only a couple overlaps.  I like being able to discuss issues without worrying about it turning up on a Google search for my very rare name.  I live alone, and I&#039;ve had enough close calls with staker-ish types to want to keep that kind of attention away.

As for trolls, even the best ones are engaging in behavior you wouldn&#039;t get away with IRL.  Stating an opinion 180 degrees from your own just to stoke conversation would merit an eye roll and a request to shut it or contribute something substantial.  They&#039;re just people who enjoy being the center of attention, and on the internet, they have found their nirvana.  I&#039;m all for strong comment moderation, as long as a discussion is allowed to go organically off topic.  TWOP was brutal about that, and it kept things on topic but could be stifling.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use the same handle everywhere, and have since the early Jezebel days, even though I don&#8217;t comment there anymore.  I&#8217;ve got a meatworld FB account and one for this persona, with only a couple overlaps.  I like being able to discuss issues without worrying about it turning up on a Google search for my very rare name.  I live alone, and I&#8217;ve had enough close calls with staker-ish types to want to keep that kind of attention away.</p>
<p>As for trolls, even the best ones are engaging in behavior you wouldn&#8217;t get away with IRL.  Stating an opinion 180 degrees from your own just to stoke conversation would merit an eye roll and a request to shut it or contribute something substantial.  They&#8217;re just people who enjoy being the center of attention, and on the internet, they have found their nirvana.  I&#8217;m all for strong comment moderation, as long as a discussion is allowed to go organically off topic.  TWOP was brutal about that, and it kept things on topic but could be stifling.</p>
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