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	<title>Comments on: Genetics:  The Gift That Keeps On Giving (A guest post by mischief manager)</title>
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		<title>By: evil_fizz</title>
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		<dc:creator>evil_fizz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 04:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I’m also interested in the broader question: would you ask for genetic testing or undergo it under any other circumstances?&lt;/i&gt;

Personally, I wouldn&#039;t, unless I thought it was going to make some sort of meaningful difference in terms of how I conducted myself or helped me decide about a range of medical options.  For example, if cancer with a particular genetic component responds particularly well (or particularly poorly) to a certain type of treatment, I&#039;d consider getting tested as part of my treatment decisions.

I would also distinguish between genetic tests which give you risk factors as opposed to a diagnosis.  The BRCA genes definitely raise the likelihood of a diagnosis*, but it&#039;s not the sort of certainty you see with, for example, Huntington&#039;s.  I think I&#039;d also approach the situation differently if, for example, my husband and I were both carriers of something like Tay Sachs.  However, even allowing for all of those scenarios, I still don&#039;t think I would.  (And it&#039;s quite the privilege to be able to speculate.)

*It&#039;s worth pointing out that while BRCA genes are usually talked about in terms of breast cancer, those with the gene also have an elevated risk of other types of cancer, especially ovarian.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’m also interested in the broader question: would you ask for genetic testing or undergo it under any other circumstances?</i></p>
<p>Personally, I wouldn&#8217;t, unless I thought it was going to make some sort of meaningful difference in terms of how I conducted myself or helped me decide about a range of medical options.  For example, if cancer with a particular genetic component responds particularly well (or particularly poorly) to a certain type of treatment, I&#8217;d consider getting tested as part of my treatment decisions.</p>
<p>I would also distinguish between genetic tests which give you risk factors as opposed to a diagnosis.  The BRCA genes definitely raise the likelihood of a diagnosis*, but it&#8217;s not the sort of certainty you see with, for example, Huntington&#8217;s.  I think I&#8217;d also approach the situation differently if, for example, my husband and I were both carriers of something like Tay Sachs.  However, even allowing for all of those scenarios, I still don&#8217;t think I would.  (And it&#8217;s quite the privilege to be able to speculate.)</p>
<p>*It&#8217;s worth pointing out that while BRCA genes are usually talked about in terms of breast cancer, those with the gene also have an elevated risk of other types of cancer, especially ovarian.</p>
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		<title>By: Verity Khat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Verity Khat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 00:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maternal grandmother: Dead at 68 after 10 years of battling breast cancer. Maternal aunt: Masectomy at 54. Maternal cousin: Double masectomy at 37.  

Thankfully my mother&#039;s still in the clear, but we&#039;ve all refused testing because while it would be interesting to know, we&#039;re pretty sure that there are uninformed, unscrupulous people out there who would use the information against us. Personally, in the current health and political climate, the ONLY time I would seek genetic testing would be for preventable conditions. As of yet, there&#039;s no 100% surefire way to prevent hereditary cancers, so why worry even more about the situation--the presence of the gene still doesn&#039;t guarantee cancer development, and family history has already given a headsup--if you can&#039;t keep it from happening? I think the best you can do is be diligent about your screenings in order to catch it early. 

Of course, I should probably practice what I preach; I&#039;m pushing 28, so I should find out if my insurance will help with screenings even though I&#039;m under 30.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maternal grandmother: Dead at 68 after 10 years of battling breast cancer. Maternal aunt: Masectomy at 54. Maternal cousin: Double masectomy at 37.  </p>
<p>Thankfully my mother&#8217;s still in the clear, but we&#8217;ve all refused testing because while it would be interesting to know, we&#8217;re pretty sure that there are uninformed, unscrupulous people out there who would use the information against us. Personally, in the current health and political climate, the ONLY time I would seek genetic testing would be for preventable conditions. As of yet, there&#8217;s no 100% surefire way to prevent hereditary cancers, so why worry even more about the situation&#8211;the presence of the gene still doesn&#8217;t guarantee cancer development, and family history has already given a headsup&#8211;if you can&#8217;t keep it from happening? I think the best you can do is be diligent about your screenings in order to catch it early. </p>
<p>Of course, I should probably practice what I preach; I&#8217;m pushing 28, so I should find out if my insurance will help with screenings even though I&#8217;m under 30.</p>
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		<title>By: Mackey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mackey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 00:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Genetic testing is a really difficult decision to make - and I really don&#039;t know what decision I would make if placed in a similar situation.

That said, the Sydney Morning Herald had a couple of articles about DNA testing here in Australia, where the situation is slightly different, and citizens are not solely reliant on employer provided and/or self funded health insurance for health care. Some of the issues &lt;b&gt;MM&lt;/b&gt; and &lt;b&gt;baraqiel&lt;/b&gt;, plus other harpies have raised are mentioned in the articles.

What is most interesting is that once you have a DNA test, you maybe required to disclose those results.

http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/lifematters/you-bet-your-life-health-insurers-cheap-dna-test-could-prove-costly-20100214-nzkq.html
AND
http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/money/the-dna-of-life-insurance/2010/03/02/1267291861874.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Genetic testing is a really difficult decision to make &#8211; and I really don&#8217;t know what decision I would make if placed in a similar situation.</p>
<p>That said, the Sydney Morning Herald had a couple of articles about DNA testing here in Australia, where the situation is slightly different, and citizens are not solely reliant on employer provided and/or self funded health insurance for health care. Some of the issues <b>MM</b> and <b>baraqiel</b>, plus other harpies have raised are mentioned in the articles.</p>
<p>What is most interesting is that once you have a DNA test, you maybe required to disclose those results.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/lifematters/you-bet-your-life-health-insurers-cheap-dna-test-could-prove-costly-20100214-nzkq.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/lifematters/you-bet-your-life-health-insurers-cheap-dna-test-could-prove-costly-20100214-nzkq.html</a><br />
AND<br />
<a href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/money/the-dna-of-life-insurance/2010/03/02/1267291861874.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1" rel="nofollow">http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/money/the-dna-of-life-insurance/2010/03/02/1267291861874.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1</a></p>
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		<title>By: mischiefmanager</title>
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		<dc:creator>mischiefmanager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2010 22:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m also interested in the broader question:  would you ask for genetic testing or undergo it under any other circumstances?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m also interested in the broader question:  would you ask for genetic testing or undergo it under any other circumstances?</p>
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		<title>By: ShinyObjects</title>
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		<dc:creator>ShinyObjects</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2010 20:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Fashionably Evil, I was going to post about the GINA. And, prior to its passage, most of the states had some kind of genetic nondiscrimination laws (http://tinyurl.com/3yw33b4). I&#039;m not well-versed enough in the topic to know whether abuses of the kind we fear still happened (or, are happening). But lawmakers have worked to prevent such things.
I know the federal health reform legislation includes genetic counseling about BRAC1 as one of the services to be covered with no copay (for new plans as of last month; existing plans not until 2014, I think?). Though the really expensive test isn&#039;t covered....but I&#039;m looking for bright spots. At least it gives (some) women (with insurance) the opportunity to be fully informed without additional cost.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Fashionably Evil, I was going to post about the GINA. And, prior to its passage, most of the states had some kind of genetic nondiscrimination laws (<a href="http://tinyurl.com/3yw33b4" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/3yw33b4</a>). I&#8217;m not well-versed enough in the topic to know whether abuses of the kind we fear still happened (or, are happening). But lawmakers have worked to prevent such things.<br />
I know the federal health reform legislation includes genetic counseling about BRAC1 as one of the services to be covered with no copay (for new plans as of last month; existing plans not until 2014, I think?). Though the really expensive test isn&#8217;t covered&#8230;.but I&#8217;m looking for bright spots. At least it gives (some) women (with insurance) the opportunity to be fully informed without additional cost.</p>
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		<title>By: FashionablyEvil</title>
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		<dc:creator>FashionablyEvil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2010 19:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a comment stuck in moderation, but
if you live in the US, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.genome.gov/24519851&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act&lt;/a&gt; protects you from discrimination with regards to insurance and employment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a comment stuck in moderation, but<br />
if you live in the US, <a href="http://www.genome.gov/24519851" rel="nofollow">the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act</a> protects you from discrimination with regards to insurance and employment.</p>
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		<title>By: mischiefmanager</title>
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		<dc:creator>mischiefmanager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2010 19:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t trust either employers or health insurance companies.  Since I don&#039;t know what kind of reaction a genetic marker is likely to elicit.  Employers are always looking for ways to cut their benefits expenses, and with health insurance as costly as it is, I can&#039;t really blame them (who came up with this stupid system of employer-provided health insurance anyhow?).  And none of us has any reason to trust our health insurance providers.  So under these circumstances, when we can&#039;t benefit by getting the information, but we do stand a chance of being harmed, I see no reason to get the test unless it&#039;s anonymous.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t trust either employers or health insurance companies.  Since I don&#8217;t know what kind of reaction a genetic marker is likely to elicit.  Employers are always looking for ways to cut their benefits expenses, and with health insurance as costly as it is, I can&#8217;t really blame them (who came up with this stupid system of employer-provided health insurance anyhow?).  And none of us has any reason to trust our health insurance providers.  So under these circumstances, when we can&#8217;t benefit by getting the information, but we do stand a chance of being harmed, I see no reason to get the test unless it&#8217;s anonymous.</p>
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		<title>By: VaS</title>
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		<dc:creator>VaS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2010 19:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or what Av0gadro said.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or what Av0gadro said.</p>
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		<title>By: VaS</title>
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		<dc:creator>VaS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2010 19:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I, too, would have a little bit of concern about the genetic test following my medical record, but, if my insurance covered the test, laziness would be the only thing stopping me.  When you think about it you already have that black mark on your record; your family has a history of breast cancer that you have presumably told your doctor who has presumably put that note on your record.  A super cheap insurance company would probably treat that the same as they would a genetic test. 

Perhaps this is something that happens more when you&#039;re buying insurance for yourself or you&#039;re older, but I have never been asked for any sort of medical record by an employer nor by my new insurance company.  I&#039;m wondering if this really follows people around as much as we worry it does.  Then again, I&#039;m healthy (so far as I know) so I, personally, would have no compelling reason to make sure my medical record moved on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, would have a little bit of concern about the genetic test following my medical record, but, if my insurance covered the test, laziness would be the only thing stopping me.  When you think about it you already have that black mark on your record; your family has a history of breast cancer that you have presumably told your doctor who has presumably put that note on your record.  A super cheap insurance company would probably treat that the same as they would a genetic test. </p>
<p>Perhaps this is something that happens more when you&#8217;re buying insurance for yourself or you&#8217;re older, but I have never been asked for any sort of medical record by an employer nor by my new insurance company.  I&#8217;m wondering if this really follows people around as much as we worry it does.  Then again, I&#8217;m healthy (so far as I know) so I, personally, would have no compelling reason to make sure my medical record moved on.</p>
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		<title>By: Av0gadro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Av0gadro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2010 18:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does a test for the gene really count against you any more than the family history? I mean, the family history is part of your medical records too, right? Since having the gene is no guarantee of getting cancer, and Baraqiel can be assumed to have a 50% shot of having the gene, I&#039;m just not sure an insurer would think it was worse. I don&#039;t know anything about how they actually decide these things though. I could be totally wrong.

I have a whole host of nasty family history that I&#039;m a little sad I&#039;ve probably passed on to my kids. Likewise, my stepfamily has a horrible medical history which, (in some ways luckily) includes fertility issues. Of my big group of cousins, only two of them are genetically related to my grandmother, whose family has the heart problems, cancer, and sugar issues. When my father was dying, he confessed that he was glad my sister and I couldn&#039;t inherit his heart defect. He was my father in every way that mattered, and sometimes I&#039;ve regretted having that extra (obnoxious) dad out there, but I&#039;m just as glad to have skipped the heart defect too, and I&#039;m eternally grateful that, when it was killing him, he was free of worrying about it hurting us too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does a test for the gene really count against you any more than the family history? I mean, the family history is part of your medical records too, right? Since having the gene is no guarantee of getting cancer, and Baraqiel can be assumed to have a 50% shot of having the gene, I&#8217;m just not sure an insurer would think it was worse. I don&#8217;t know anything about how they actually decide these things though. I could be totally wrong.</p>
<p>I have a whole host of nasty family history that I&#8217;m a little sad I&#8217;ve probably passed on to my kids. Likewise, my stepfamily has a horrible medical history which, (in some ways luckily) includes fertility issues. Of my big group of cousins, only two of them are genetically related to my grandmother, whose family has the heart problems, cancer, and sugar issues. When my father was dying, he confessed that he was glad my sister and I couldn&#8217;t inherit his heart defect. He was my father in every way that mattered, and sometimes I&#8217;ve regretted having that extra (obnoxious) dad out there, but I&#8217;m just as glad to have skipped the heart defect too, and I&#8217;m eternally grateful that, when it was killing him, he was free of worrying about it hurting us too.</p>
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