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		<title>By: Jenna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 13:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I graduated at what felt like the height of the recession in 2007.  The only thing available was correctional officer.  I spent 8 miserable months as a CO.  Then, I worked as a medical records specialist also in the prison.  I decided to try teaching since I enjoy working with children so I spent all the tiny bit of money I had managed to save on an alt cert program.  I only got 6 interviews after sending off probably thousands of resumes and portfolios.  Networking is the most important thing you can do because the only interviews I received were the ones I networked to get.  But, thanks to the shitastic economy, all of these people with 10, 15, 20+ years of experience were fighting over the same small number of jobs.  I&#039;m still hoping to land a teaching gig in the future.  Now, I&#039;m a caseworker for CPS.  I&#039;m sticking it out for a year until my husband graduates and hopefully funds employment somewhere.  Then, if I have to, I&#039;ll substitute teach to build up my network and move from there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I graduated at what felt like the height of the recession in 2007.  The only thing available was correctional officer.  I spent 8 miserable months as a CO.  Then, I worked as a medical records specialist also in the prison.  I decided to try teaching since I enjoy working with children so I spent all the tiny bit of money I had managed to save on an alt cert program.  I only got 6 interviews after sending off probably thousands of resumes and portfolios.  Networking is the most important thing you can do because the only interviews I received were the ones I networked to get.  But, thanks to the shitastic economy, all of these people with 10, 15, 20+ years of experience were fighting over the same small number of jobs.  I&#8217;m still hoping to land a teaching gig in the future.  Now, I&#8217;m a caseworker for CPS.  I&#8217;m sticking it out for a year until my husband graduates and hopefully funds employment somewhere.  Then, if I have to, I&#8217;ll substitute teach to build up my network and move from there.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2010 23:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I graduated college two years ago and I&#039;m currently teaching English abroad. I know a TON of recent college grads doing the same. It&#039;s a great way to travel, learn a language, and make a little money.

South Korea pays extremely well, as does Taiwan. China not as much. Japan pays well, but it&#039;s very expensive to live there. The JET program is fantastic. Most Asian countries don&#039;t expect any knowledge of the local language.

I&#039;m in Spain. My program: http://www.mec.es/sgci/usa/en/programs/us_assistants/default.shtml
There are programs that allow you to work in the public schools and make a decent amount of money. You&#039;re essentially a &#039;cultural ambassador.&#039; The same program exists in France, and a few other countries. You&#039;re expected to have some knowledge of the language.

Anyways, that&#039;s what I&#039;m up to now. Not sure what I&#039;ll do next!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I graduated college two years ago and I&#8217;m currently teaching English abroad. I know a TON of recent college grads doing the same. It&#8217;s a great way to travel, learn a language, and make a little money.</p>
<p>South Korea pays extremely well, as does Taiwan. China not as much. Japan pays well, but it&#8217;s very expensive to live there. The JET program is fantastic. Most Asian countries don&#8217;t expect any knowledge of the local language.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in Spain. My program: <a href="http://www.mec.es/sgci/usa/en/programs/us_assistants/default.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.mec.es/sgci/usa/en/programs/us_assistants/default.shtml</a><br />
There are programs that allow you to work in the public schools and make a decent amount of money. You&#8217;re essentially a &#8216;cultural ambassador.&#8217; The same program exists in France, and a few other countries. You&#8217;re expected to have some knowledge of the language.</p>
<p>Anyways, that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m up to now. Not sure what I&#8217;ll do next!</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2010 18:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What a great thread! When I got out of college (BA, liberal arts, geology major) I was sick of school and wanted to take some time off. I started waited tables, and quickly became hooked to the cash and relatively short hours.

Got married, had a couple kids, and still praised waiting tables for the cash for hours put in.

Fast forward some more years, and shit! I&#039;m going to be 50 soon! My husband was laid off from a good paying job, and although he can find work, no one wants to pay. We&#039;re looking at quite a reduction in income. I&#039;m still waiting tables, and I&#039;m shocked by the wage stagnation. Wasn&#039;t I making this money years ago?

It&#039;ll be several years until the youngest is out of the nest. I feel completely and utterly stuck. 

It&#039;s funny because you&#039;d think I would&#039;ve seen the writing on the wall years ago, and would&#039;ve done some better planning. Nope. Day by day!

It&#039;s really weird to look back and realize I&#039;ve done nothing but wait tables all these years! I feel it&#039;s much like my 50s housewife mother who didn&#039;t work and questioned her own lack of job skills later in life.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great thread! When I got out of college (BA, liberal arts, geology major) I was sick of school and wanted to take some time off. I started waited tables, and quickly became hooked to the cash and relatively short hours.</p>
<p>Got married, had a couple kids, and still praised waiting tables for the cash for hours put in.</p>
<p>Fast forward some more years, and shit! I&#8217;m going to be 50 soon! My husband was laid off from a good paying job, and although he can find work, no one wants to pay. We&#8217;re looking at quite a reduction in income. I&#8217;m still waiting tables, and I&#8217;m shocked by the wage stagnation. Wasn&#8217;t I making this money years ago?</p>
<p>It&#8217;ll be several years until the youngest is out of the nest. I feel completely and utterly stuck. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny because you&#8217;d think I would&#8217;ve seen the writing on the wall years ago, and would&#8217;ve done some better planning. Nope. Day by day!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really weird to look back and realize I&#8217;ve done nothing but wait tables all these years! I feel it&#8217;s much like my 50s housewife mother who didn&#8217;t work and questioned her own lack of job skills later in life.</p>
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		<title>By: eep</title>
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		<dc:creator>eep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 15:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yay, thanks for all the input! This is exactly the sort of thing I was looking for. I agree with PhDork, much more practical than my university&#039;s Career Center, which isn&#039;t bad but places much more of an emphasis on longer term career-planning/nudging kids into high-paying fields than my immediate &quot;gah, what now??&quot; feelings. I like the idea of temping and/or volunteering until I land on my feet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yay, thanks for all the input! This is exactly the sort of thing I was looking for. I agree with PhDork, much more practical than my university&#8217;s Career Center, which isn&#8217;t bad but places much more of an emphasis on longer term career-planning/nudging kids into high-paying fields than my immediate &#8220;gah, what now??&#8221; feelings. I like the idea of temping and/or volunteering until I land on my feet.</p>
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		<title>By: PetiteXL</title>
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		<dc:creator>PetiteXL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 00:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To Eep, I would say, don&#039;t be afraid of temping/contracting and don&#039;t be afraid of the corporate world.

I temped for a few years after graduation in the very early 90&#039;s, and I LOVED it. I got to try out so many different kinds of jobs and companies and it really solidified for me what I liked/didn&#039;t like and what I could put up with vs. couldn&#039;t put up with.  Sign up with at least three agencies, even though they may ask you not to (I think they are no longer legally able to ask this, but they used to) and call/e-mail them if they are not calling/e-mailing you, even if it feels weird.  This way, they know you are committed.  Once you go on a few assignments and they realize you are reliable, you will get call backs – and for better assignments, too.  Especially consider agencies that specialize in creative placements.  

Next, don&#039;t assume that being a humanities major eliminates you from qualification for entry level corporate jobs other than administrative jobs. It doesn&#039;t!  You just need to know what titles to look for.  Here are a couple:

Anything with “Specialist” or “Coordinator” in the title.  “Specialist” or “Coordinator” is often an indication of an entry level job that is not solely administrative, e.g., Marketing Specialist.

Entry level data analyst/analyst.  May sound boring to some, but can be quite fun!  Here&#039;s a good example of what I mean:    http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/mar/2034039853.html

When you are at the temp/contracting agencies, ask them specifically to place you in the above mentioned kinds of roles, or you could find yourself making coffee and answering phones for an executive all day. Which isn&#039;t a bad job if you need the money, but won&#039;t give you the kind of experiences you are looking for.

Finally, I think Michelle Goodman of the Seattle Times gives great career advice.  Here&#039;s an example:  http://blog.nwjobs.com/ninetothrive/2010/08/the_myth_of_following_your_bli.html

Good luck!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Eep, I would say, don&#8217;t be afraid of temping/contracting and don&#8217;t be afraid of the corporate world.</p>
<p>I temped for a few years after graduation in the very early 90&#8242;s, and I LOVED it. I got to try out so many different kinds of jobs and companies and it really solidified for me what I liked/didn&#8217;t like and what I could put up with vs. couldn&#8217;t put up with.  Sign up with at least three agencies, even though they may ask you not to (I think they are no longer legally able to ask this, but they used to) and call/e-mail them if they are not calling/e-mailing you, even if it feels weird.  This way, they know you are committed.  Once you go on a few assignments and they realize you are reliable, you will get call backs – and for better assignments, too.  Especially consider agencies that specialize in creative placements.  </p>
<p>Next, don&#8217;t assume that being a humanities major eliminates you from qualification for entry level corporate jobs other than administrative jobs. It doesn&#8217;t!  You just need to know what titles to look for.  Here are a couple:</p>
<p>Anything with “Specialist” or “Coordinator” in the title.  “Specialist” or “Coordinator” is often an indication of an entry level job that is not solely administrative, e.g., Marketing Specialist.</p>
<p>Entry level data analyst/analyst.  May sound boring to some, but can be quite fun!  Here&#8217;s a good example of what I mean:    <a href="http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/mar/2034039853.html" rel="nofollow">http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/mar/2034039853.html</a></p>
<p>When you are at the temp/contracting agencies, ask them specifically to place you in the above mentioned kinds of roles, or you could find yourself making coffee and answering phones for an executive all day. Which isn&#8217;t a bad job if you need the money, but won&#8217;t give you the kind of experiences you are looking for.</p>
<p>Finally, I think Michelle Goodman of the Seattle Times gives great career advice.  Here&#8217;s an example:  <a href="http://blog.nwjobs.com/ninetothrive/2010/08/the_myth_of_following_your_bli.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.nwjobs.com/ninetothrive/2010/08/the_myth_of_following_your_bli.html</a></p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: SkipToMyLou</title>
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		<dc:creator>SkipToMyLou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2010 23:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, I guess I should have said the actual benefit to us of being RAs was free rent and meals, and a small stipend.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I guess I should have said the actual benefit to us of being RAs was free rent and meals, and a small stipend.</p>
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		<title>By: SkipToMyLou</title>
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		<dc:creator>SkipToMyLou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2010 23:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And if you do go to grad school- see if your school has a a Resident Fellow/ Resident Associate program for grad students. While my husband got his Ph.D we lived in a small apartment in an undergraduate dorm as RAs, and it was a really great job. It&#039;ll depend on your school, but our gig was a mix of organizing and chaperoning social events and study breaks, and study sessions writing letters of recommendation, signing schedules, and making disciplinary or welfare referrals. It was overall really fun, if you can maintain an odd balance of friendship and authority with people only slightly younger than you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if you do go to grad school- see if your school has a a Resident Fellow/ Resident Associate program for grad students. While my husband got his Ph.D we lived in a small apartment in an undergraduate dorm as RAs, and it was a really great job. It&#8217;ll depend on your school, but our gig was a mix of organizing and chaperoning social events and study breaks, and study sessions writing letters of recommendation, signing schedules, and making disciplinary or welfare referrals. It was overall really fun, if you can maintain an odd balance of friendship and authority with people only slightly younger than you.</p>
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		<title>By: debster</title>
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		<dc:creator>debster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2010 23:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lurker seconding viajera and rodriguez - I did AmeriCorps my first year out of college, in 2001. The economy wasn&#039;t great then (not as bad as it is now), and many many many of my friends did the same thing (one of my friends&#039; bosses accurately called it &quot;welfare for college students&quot;  - sad real welfare doesn&#039;t have the same support!).  I worked with a microfinance program in Alaska, after spending my life on the East Coast - it was an amazing opportunity.

I have been reasonably-steadily employed with nonprofits/government/UN ever since,  outside Alaska - in fact around the world. Three years after graduating I went back for an MPP, once it became pretty clear I would need a master&#039;s to keep moving forward. I&#039;m glad I didn&#039;t go to grad school right after college - since it was a professional degree the perspective from working was really useful.

In my ten years since college I have suffered two separate long (at least one year) unemployment stints. Actually I wasn&#039;t totally unemployed - I was always able to temp, luckily - but not having a &quot;real&quot; job was awful. But I always landed on my feet. Don&#039;t put too much pressure on yourself early in your career, and don&#039;t pay too much attention to what your peers are doing - you will always have new opportunities to prove yourself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lurker seconding viajera and rodriguez &#8211; I did AmeriCorps my first year out of college, in 2001. The economy wasn&#8217;t great then (not as bad as it is now), and many many many of my friends did the same thing (one of my friends&#8217; bosses accurately called it &#8220;welfare for college students&#8221;  &#8211; sad real welfare doesn&#8217;t have the same support!).  I worked with a microfinance program in Alaska, after spending my life on the East Coast &#8211; it was an amazing opportunity.</p>
<p>I have been reasonably-steadily employed with nonprofits/government/UN ever since,  outside Alaska &#8211; in fact around the world. Three years after graduating I went back for an MPP, once it became pretty clear I would need a master&#8217;s to keep moving forward. I&#8217;m glad I didn&#8217;t go to grad school right after college &#8211; since it was a professional degree the perspective from working was really useful.</p>
<p>In my ten years since college I have suffered two separate long (at least one year) unemployment stints. Actually I wasn&#8217;t totally unemployed &#8211; I was always able to temp, luckily &#8211; but not having a &#8220;real&#8221; job was awful. But I always landed on my feet. Don&#8217;t put too much pressure on yourself early in your career, and don&#8217;t pay too much attention to what your peers are doing &#8211; you will always have new opportunities to prove yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Skada</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2010 22:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m still an undergrad (graduating in less than two months!) going for a BA in English--concentration in creative writing and minor in history.  I thought I wanted to teach, but I did a semester observation with 10th graders that changed my mind real fast.

I decided I want to be a counselor (a therapist, not a guidance counselor), but I need an MA to be a LCSW, so I&#039;m headed to grad school this Spring.

Despite this, I do have advice.  Many colleges have on-campus jobs you can work, even if it&#039;s just part time.  I work for my campus&#039;s Writing Center, where I&#039;m making $3 over min. wage to help students improve their writing.  I&#039;m limited to 19 hours a week, but I&#039;d still get to keep my job if I wanted to take a year off before grad school.  There&#039;s a great guy I work with who has been putting off grad school for three years and working at the Writing Center the whole time.

Some of my other co-workers with BAs (I&#039;m one of the only undergrads) have also gotten seasonal jobs before with Pearson Education as test graders for all of the standardized tests students have to take.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still an undergrad (graduating in less than two months!) going for a BA in English&#8211;concentration in creative writing and minor in history.  I thought I wanted to teach, but I did a semester observation with 10th graders that changed my mind real fast.</p>
<p>I decided I want to be a counselor (a therapist, not a guidance counselor), but I need an MA to be a LCSW, so I&#8217;m headed to grad school this Spring.</p>
<p>Despite this, I do have advice.  Many colleges have on-campus jobs you can work, even if it&#8217;s just part time.  I work for my campus&#8217;s Writing Center, where I&#8217;m making $3 over min. wage to help students improve their writing.  I&#8217;m limited to 19 hours a week, but I&#8217;d still get to keep my job if I wanted to take a year off before grad school.  There&#8217;s a great guy I work with who has been putting off grad school for three years and working at the Writing Center the whole time.</p>
<p>Some of my other co-workers with BAs (I&#8217;m one of the only undergrads) have also gotten seasonal jobs before with Pearson Education as test graders for all of the standardized tests students have to take.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2010 22:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am graduating in May and signed an employment contract recently for after graduation. I found my job, because I submitted a resume for a corporate mentoring program. If you are interested in going into the corporate world, I&#039;d keep an eye out for mentoring programs and competitions (cases, etc.) that aren&#039;t jobs and don&#039;t pay, but that might give you an &quot;in&quot; and an idea if the industry/job will be a good fit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am graduating in May and signed an employment contract recently for after graduation. I found my job, because I submitted a resume for a corporate mentoring program. If you are interested in going into the corporate world, I&#8217;d keep an eye out for mentoring programs and competitions (cases, etc.) that aren&#8217;t jobs and don&#8217;t pay, but that might give you an &#8220;in&#8221; and an idea if the industry/job will be a good fit.</p>
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