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		<title>By: Larry Wilmore Gets the Last Word - The Pursuit of Harpyness</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/12/01/celebrating-racist-history-is-racist/comment-page-1/#comment-40621</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Wilmore Gets the Last Word - The Pursuit of Harpyness</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] week the Daily Show took on the topic of Civil War nostalgia that I posted about last week, showing snippets of the breathtakingly ignorant TV ads by the Sons of Confederate Veterans. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] week the Daily Show took on the topic of Civil War nostalgia that I posted about last week, showing snippets of the breathtakingly ignorant TV ads by the Sons of Confederate Veterans. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/12/01/celebrating-racist-history-is-racist/comment-page-1/#comment-38278</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2010 19:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good Essay!
Many white people deny the fact that a slave-based economy was the major cause of the civil war, and they cite as proof the fact that such a small percentage of whites in the south actually owned slaves.  The idea that an entire society would be willing to die just so they could continue to be (from their point of view) barely better off than slaves does sound a bit ridiculous.  So poor whites were sold the promise of a chance at prosperity, a life of leisure, respect, a chance at shedding their poor cracker image.

This was one of the most important aspects of white culture and the strategy of divide and conquer and the creation of whiteness.  ASPIRATIONS.  The biggest carrot of all for poor whites was the chance (however small) they had of becoming one of the privileged class. It was very important that poor whites knew that they were just a good poker hand away from joining the planter class (this happens to be the faux history of Gerald O&#039;Hara, Scarlett&#039;s dad from Gone with the Wind.....just to give you an idea of how important this narrative was and is to white culture....not to mention Tom Lea, Kizzy&#039;s master from Roots, one cockfight away from being a member of the planter class).
The last frontier is the past.
And the frightened, insecure white man flees to it as if it&#039;s his mother&#039;s bosom sitting on the throne in the promised land.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Essay!<br />
Many white people deny the fact that a slave-based economy was the major cause of the civil war, and they cite as proof the fact that such a small percentage of whites in the south actually owned slaves.  The idea that an entire society would be willing to die just so they could continue to be (from their point of view) barely better off than slaves does sound a bit ridiculous.  So poor whites were sold the promise of a chance at prosperity, a life of leisure, respect, a chance at shedding their poor cracker image.</p>
<p>This was one of the most important aspects of white culture and the strategy of divide and conquer and the creation of whiteness.  ASPIRATIONS.  The biggest carrot of all for poor whites was the chance (however small) they had of becoming one of the privileged class. It was very important that poor whites knew that they were just a good poker hand away from joining the planter class (this happens to be the faux history of Gerald O&#8217;Hara, Scarlett&#8217;s dad from Gone with the Wind&#8230;..just to give you an idea of how important this narrative was and is to white culture&#8230;.not to mention Tom Lea, Kizzy&#8217;s master from Roots, one cockfight away from being a member of the planter class).<br />
The last frontier is the past.<br />
And the frightened, insecure white man flees to it as if it&#8217;s his mother&#8217;s bosom sitting on the throne in the promised land.</p>
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		<title>By: Awkward Avenger</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/12/01/celebrating-racist-history-is-racist/comment-page-1/#comment-38276</link>
		<dc:creator>Awkward Avenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2010 17:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[States&#039; rights, huh?  I guess that explains why the Southern pride crowd is always so supportive of individual state and local gun control measures.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>States&#8217; rights, huh?  I guess that explains why the Southern pride crowd is always so supportive of individual state and local gun control measures.</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/12/01/celebrating-racist-history-is-racist/comment-page-1/#comment-38253</link>
		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2010 00:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@bellacoker: Excellent point. If I seem prejudiced to my grandkids...society will have evolved in a good way.

And yes to your point about abolitionists. Take &lt;em&gt; Uncle Tom&#039;s Cabin &lt;/em&gt; by Harriet Beecher Stowe.  It helped turn public opinion against slavery and galvanized the abolitionist movement in a very important way, but when you read it today, it does not hold up well; it reads preachy, melodramatic and essentialist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bellacoker: Excellent point. If I seem prejudiced to my grandkids&#8230;society will have evolved in a good way.</p>
<p>And yes to your point about abolitionists. Take <em> Uncle Tom&#8217;s Cabin </em> by Harriet Beecher Stowe.  It helped turn public opinion against slavery and galvanized the abolitionist movement in a very important way, but when you read it today, it does not hold up well; it reads preachy, melodramatic and essentialist.</p>
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		<title>By: bellacoker</title>
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		<dc:creator>bellacoker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 22:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think these kinds of conversations are incredibly interesting and would like to add, even the abolitionists and people who were against slavery before and during the Civil War, no matter how well-intentioned they were, would come across as very racist by today&#039;s standards.  

And, hopefully, we will come across as extremely prejudiced by the standards of people in the future, because that will mean that their standards have evolved and have become higher than our own.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think these kinds of conversations are incredibly interesting and would like to add, even the abolitionists and people who were against slavery before and during the Civil War, no matter how well-intentioned they were, would come across as very racist by today&#8217;s standards.  </p>
<p>And, hopefully, we will come across as extremely prejudiced by the standards of people in the future, because that will mean that their standards have evolved and have become higher than our own.</p>
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		<title>By: mischiefmanager</title>
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		<dc:creator>mischiefmanager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 21:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well done, Becky.  

Fair questions...the North didn&#039;t, to my knowledge, require an admission of guilt or responsibility for starting the war as a condition of the cessation of hostilities, although I may be wrong on this.  Obviously, racism continued after the war, as its legacy, but then it continued in the North as well.  So what would have constituted a sufficient apology from the formerly Confederate states?  

I suppose it would have been the governmental elimination of racist laws and policies, and the vigorous prosecution of private citizens who engaged in race-based crimes.  Perhaps that would have set the tone and discouraged groups like the Sons of Confederate Veterans and the KKK from forming.  The truculent, defiant attitude that is behind poll taxes, segregated schools, and the waving of the Confederate flag is the same today as it was then.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done, Becky.  </p>
<p>Fair questions&#8230;the North didn&#8217;t, to my knowledge, require an admission of guilt or responsibility for starting the war as a condition of the cessation of hostilities, although I may be wrong on this.  Obviously, racism continued after the war, as its legacy, but then it continued in the North as well.  So what would have constituted a sufficient apology from the formerly Confederate states?  </p>
<p>I suppose it would have been the governmental elimination of racist laws and policies, and the vigorous prosecution of private citizens who engaged in race-based crimes.  Perhaps that would have set the tone and discouraged groups like the Sons of Confederate Veterans and the KKK from forming.  The truculent, defiant attitude that is behind poll taxes, segregated schools, and the waving of the Confederate flag is the same today as it was then.</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/12/01/celebrating-racist-history-is-racist/comment-page-1/#comment-38240</link>
		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hoo boy...I just killed a big ol&#039; troll in the comments. 

&lt;strong&gt; Listen up, bubbas: We have comment moderation, and I will enforce it. The South will not rise again in this thread. Go cut some new eyeholes in your sheets instead of wasting your time hanging around here. &lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hoo boy&#8230;I just killed a big ol&#8217; troll in the comments. </p>
<p><strong> Listen up, bubbas: We have comment moderation, and I will enforce it. The South will not rise again in this thread. Go cut some new eyeholes in your sheets instead of wasting your time hanging around here. </strong></p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2010/12/01/celebrating-racist-history-is-racist/comment-page-1/#comment-38234</link>
		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 17:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@emilyanne: Nope, the fall-out has not been dealt with, and it&#039;s on-going. I had a wonderful history teacher in high school who, when we were studying the lives of ex-slaves during Reconstruction, wrote on the blackboard &lt;strong&gt; AFTER SLAVERY, WHAT? &lt;/strong&gt;. He said that no one knew the answer to that question in America in 1865 and we still don&#039;t. 

Black farmers&#039; payout is because they themselves were victims of ongoing, documented discrimination by the USDA. The anger over it just pure racism. If those farmers were white and the USDA had fucked them over, no one would oppose them receiving damages.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@emilyanne: Nope, the fall-out has not been dealt with, and it&#8217;s on-going. I had a wonderful history teacher in high school who, when we were studying the lives of ex-slaves during Reconstruction, wrote on the blackboard <strong> AFTER SLAVERY, WHAT? </strong>. He said that no one knew the answer to that question in America in 1865 and we still don&#8217;t. </p>
<p>Black farmers&#8217; payout is because they themselves were victims of ongoing, documented discrimination by the USDA. The anger over it just pure racism. If those farmers were white and the USDA had fucked them over, no one would oppose them receiving damages.</p>
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		<title>By: emilyanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>emilyanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 17:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Becky - although it&#039;s interesting (and this is slightly off point) that clearly some people don&#039;t want to apologise for this or feel they have to as witnessed by the insane Republican from Iowa yesterday who openly stated that Obama was &#039;supporting Black Farmers in reparations&#039; in an interview that attempted to draw indirect parallels between Obama and Robert Mugabe. 

Now obviously Steve King is not a southerner so this is off topic a bit but it always seems to me that the fall out from slavery is still not exactly dealt with in this country. (In much the same way that Britain still has colonial issues to the ninth degree)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Becky &#8211; although it&#8217;s interesting (and this is slightly off point) that clearly some people don&#8217;t want to apologise for this or feel they have to as witnessed by the insane Republican from Iowa yesterday who openly stated that Obama was &#8216;supporting Black Farmers in reparations&#8217; in an interview that attempted to draw indirect parallels between Obama and Robert Mugabe. </p>
<p>Now obviously Steve King is not a southerner so this is off topic a bit but it always seems to me that the fall out from slavery is still not exactly dealt with in this country. (In much the same way that Britain still has colonial issues to the ninth degree)</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 17:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@MM: What constitutes an admission of guilt? And who should be making that admission? When you say &quot;the South&quot;, who precisely do you mean?

There has been endless discussion about apologies and reparations for slavery, but it&#039;s a fairly difficult problem to navigate, especially a century after the fact. It&#039;s a very different situation than post-war Germany.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@MM: What constitutes an admission of guilt? And who should be making that admission? When you say &#8220;the South&#8221;, who precisely do you mean?</p>
<p>There has been endless discussion about apologies and reparations for slavery, but it&#8217;s a fairly difficult problem to navigate, especially a century after the fact. It&#8217;s a very different situation than post-war Germany.</p>
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