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	<title>Comments on: The One With All the Body Hair: A Guest Post by Chanel Dubofsky</title>
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		<title>By: May</title>
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		<dc:creator>May</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 15:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for acknowledging your privilege. I have really thick Middle Eastern body hair, and I wish I could not shave my hair and have cute white-girl leg hair. Unfortunately, my hair would look all kinds of crazy and be uncomfortable if grown out. Bleh.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for acknowledging your privilege. I have really thick Middle Eastern body hair, and I wish I could not shave my hair and have cute white-girl leg hair. Unfortunately, my hair would look all kinds of crazy and be uncomfortable if grown out. Bleh.</p>
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		<title>By: treyfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>treyfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2010 19:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Mischiefmanager, right on! I always think we are fighting for the right of many things to not be such a big fucking deal, like say our equal right as queers to serve in oppressive institutions like marriage and war!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mischiefmanager, right on! I always think we are fighting for the right of many things to not be such a big fucking deal, like say our equal right as queers to serve in oppressive institutions like marriage and war!</p>
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		<title>By: mischiefmanager</title>
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		<dc:creator>mischiefmanager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2010 15:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@trefe:  Right, but by normalizing behaviors that have been loaded with political meaning, we can help de-politicize them and bring them into the realm of everyday choices.  So if enough of us stop shaving, that will become as normal a variation as head hair differences.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@trefe:  Right, but by normalizing behaviors that have been loaded with political meaning, we can help de-politicize them and bring them into the realm of everyday choices.  So if enough of us stop shaving, that will become as normal a variation as head hair differences.</p>
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		<title>By: Adara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2010 06:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yoyoyo, 
The eyelash clipping is actually really common among East Asian mothers (I don&#039;t know how new this trend is), who clip their daughters&#039; *and* sons&#039; eyelashes in the [erm, futile] hopes that they&#039;ll grow longer/fuller.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yoyoyo,<br />
The eyelash clipping is actually really common among East Asian mothers (I don&#8217;t know how new this trend is), who clip their daughters&#8217; *and* sons&#8217; eyelashes in the [erm, futile] hopes that they&#8217;ll grow longer/fuller.</p>
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		<title>By: veganmarcy</title>
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		<dc:creator>veganmarcy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2010 05:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@treyfe

word. i know full well even when i *do* have shaved legs etc (not that often) that the main reason i appreciate the look and/or feel of it is that pretty much every fucking godddamned waking moment of my life has reinforced that individual &quot;feeling&quot;, despite growing up with feminism and an exposure to women who chose not to shave for whatever reason.

i also remember when bikini waxing wasn&#039;t as common, let alone the whole enchilada getting removed. makes me nostalgic for a time prior to everyone &quot;choosing their choice&quot; about removing pubes.

so yeah, it&#039;s possibly to choose to go along with something more socially conditioned and acceptable and yet be fully aware that at the end of the day it&#039;s not important or even surreal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@treyfe</p>
<p>word. i know full well even when i *do* have shaved legs etc (not that often) that the main reason i appreciate the look and/or feel of it is that pretty much every fucking godddamned waking moment of my life has reinforced that individual &#8220;feeling&#8221;, despite growing up with feminism and an exposure to women who chose not to shave for whatever reason.</p>
<p>i also remember when bikini waxing wasn&#8217;t as common, let alone the whole enchilada getting removed. makes me nostalgic for a time prior to everyone &#8220;choosing their choice&#8221; about removing pubes.</p>
<p>so yeah, it&#8217;s possibly to choose to go along with something more socially conditioned and acceptable and yet be fully aware that at the end of the day it&#8217;s not important or even surreal.</p>
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		<title>By: treyfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>treyfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2010 01:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Put me in the &quot;it&#039;s political&quot; camp. (I am a man with probably enough body hair I will eventually face pressure to reduce, though thankfully it hasn&#039;t spread to my back yet.) I think the weakness of merely seeing feminism as a series of choices falls short: this is a perfect example of our how choices don&#039;t exist in a vacuum. Since certain actions we do are publicly visible, and we are not going to sit down with every person we see (thank God) with a lengthy explanation, our actions take place in a political context. That doesn&#039;t mean there is one &quot;right choice&quot; but we should be aware of the context and limits on our choices and feminism can help us to determine that, as well as the great art of reclamation, should we do so. It can also give us spaces to tell these stories.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Put me in the &#8220;it&#8217;s political&#8221; camp. (I am a man with probably enough body hair I will eventually face pressure to reduce, though thankfully it hasn&#8217;t spread to my back yet.) I think the weakness of merely seeing feminism as a series of choices falls short: this is a perfect example of our how choices don&#8217;t exist in a vacuum. Since certain actions we do are publicly visible, and we are not going to sit down with every person we see (thank God) with a lengthy explanation, our actions take place in a political context. That doesn&#8217;t mean there is one &#8220;right choice&#8221; but we should be aware of the context and limits on our choices and feminism can help us to determine that, as well as the great art of reclamation, should we do so. It can also give us spaces to tell these stories.</p>
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		<title>By: yoyoyo</title>
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		<dc:creator>yoyoyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 21:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe it would be more descriptive to say not shaving your legs is &quot;politicized&quot; rather than &quot;political.&quot; Perhaps saying it is inherently &quot;political&quot; focuses too much on intent, when what the writer is saying is that because it is still expected that women shave their legs (and is considered disgusting, deviant, &quot;lesbian,&quot; etc to not fulfill this norm) that-- no matter what your intent is-- not shaving your legs is politicized.

I think a racial lens is missing from the analysis-- it&#039;s not just little girls, babies, etc who don&#039;t have hair. A lot of East Asian people (men, women, and everyone else) don&#039;t have a lot of body hair. In fact, when I (a white woman) was growing up, a lot of my East Asian-American female friends would clip their eyelashes in order to try to get them to grow more, and would shave their arms in hopes of having more arm hair. 

A lot of non-East Asian men&#039;s fetishization of East Asian women may have something to do with this-- being attracted to women who are racialized through looks/phenotype and stereotypes to seem more easily dominated and submissive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it would be more descriptive to say not shaving your legs is &#8220;politicized&#8221; rather than &#8220;political.&#8221; Perhaps saying it is inherently &#8220;political&#8221; focuses too much on intent, when what the writer is saying is that because it is still expected that women shave their legs (and is considered disgusting, deviant, &#8220;lesbian,&#8221; etc to not fulfill this norm) that&#8211; no matter what your intent is&#8211; not shaving your legs is politicized.</p>
<p>I think a racial lens is missing from the analysis&#8211; it&#8217;s not just little girls, babies, etc who don&#8217;t have hair. A lot of East Asian people (men, women, and everyone else) don&#8217;t have a lot of body hair. In fact, when I (a white woman) was growing up, a lot of my East Asian-American female friends would clip their eyelashes in order to try to get them to grow more, and would shave their arms in hopes of having more arm hair. </p>
<p>A lot of non-East Asian men&#8217;s fetishization of East Asian women may have something to do with this&#8211; being attracted to women who are racialized through looks/phenotype and stereotypes to seem more easily dominated and submissive.</p>
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		<title>By: Adara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 10:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve seen pictures of Alicia Keys with unabashed hair-on-the-legs. I think she was performing at the time, too, not just hanging out~ 
I depilatory-ize my legs and certain other spots because that feels and looks better to me. Don&#039;t give a fuck (or, I think, have even asked!) what anyone else thinks, whether I&#039;ve recently shaved or am in a fuzzy in-between period.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen pictures of Alicia Keys with unabashed hair-on-the-legs. I think she was performing at the time, too, not just hanging out~<br />
I depilatory-ize my legs and certain other spots because that feels and looks better to me. Don&#8217;t give a fuck (or, I think, have even asked!) what anyone else thinks, whether I&#8217;ve recently shaved or am in a fuzzy in-between period.</p>
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		<title>By: Endora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Endora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 04:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Long response coming - this is a topic close to my heart.  Apologies in advance.

I have super-pale skin and very dark hair - and lots of it.  LOTS.  Every hairdresser who has ever cut the hair on my head has remarked upon it.  That means that if I didn&#039;t shave my legs, they would look hairier than most men&#039;s.  I also have more hair on my chin than your average 80 year-old (I pluck daily, and rather obsessively - when I am sitting at my computer reading I often run my hand along my face and tweeze whatever stray hairs I find - I&#039;m so practised at this point that I don&#039;t even need a mirror). I even shave my arms, people.

So yes, the patriarchy has totally got to me and made me embarrassed of my hair, but on the other hand my situation really is quite extreme (I long for the day I can afford laser treatments/electrolysis).

That said, I can&#039;t stand the idea of a bikini wax - I once tried to wax my legs and the pain was terrible, I can&#039;t imagine what it would be like &#039;down there&#039;.  Keeping things neat and tidy is absolutely enough for me, and I do think there is something sketchy about the expectation that women will go through the pain and expense of bikini waxes regularly to meet a ridiculous ideal.

I used to wonder if I should do it, since so many other people seemed to, but Germany cured me of that.  Women there are much more relaxed about the hair thing and seeing other women totally unshaved in the hamam made me realise just how culturally conditioned this all is.  It was really very liberating. (Actually, I recommend naked saunas for getting over body complexes in general, you see such a variety of body types there that I think it helps you to accept your own).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long response coming &#8211; this is a topic close to my heart.  Apologies in advance.</p>
<p>I have super-pale skin and very dark hair &#8211; and lots of it.  LOTS.  Every hairdresser who has ever cut the hair on my head has remarked upon it.  That means that if I didn&#8217;t shave my legs, they would look hairier than most men&#8217;s.  I also have more hair on my chin than your average 80 year-old (I pluck daily, and rather obsessively &#8211; when I am sitting at my computer reading I often run my hand along my face and tweeze whatever stray hairs I find &#8211; I&#8217;m so practised at this point that I don&#8217;t even need a mirror). I even shave my arms, people.</p>
<p>So yes, the patriarchy has totally got to me and made me embarrassed of my hair, but on the other hand my situation really is quite extreme (I long for the day I can afford laser treatments/electrolysis).</p>
<p>That said, I can&#8217;t stand the idea of a bikini wax &#8211; I once tried to wax my legs and the pain was terrible, I can&#8217;t imagine what it would be like &#8216;down there&#8217;.  Keeping things neat and tidy is absolutely enough for me, and I do think there is something sketchy about the expectation that women will go through the pain and expense of bikini waxes regularly to meet a ridiculous ideal.</p>
<p>I used to wonder if I should do it, since so many other people seemed to, but Germany cured me of that.  Women there are much more relaxed about the hair thing and seeing other women totally unshaved in the hamam made me realise just how culturally conditioned this all is.  It was really very liberating. (Actually, I recommend naked saunas for getting over body complexes in general, you see such a variety of body types there that I think it helps you to accept your own).</p>
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