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		<title>By: Females: manipulative from birth, amirite? - The Pursuit of Harpyness</title>
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		<dc:creator>Females: manipulative from birth, amirite? - The Pursuit of Harpyness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 19:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: veganmarcy</title>
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		<dc:creator>veganmarcy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2011 00:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[p.s. The album has a really great track not on the movie, called &quot;Housework&quot;...aka it&#039;s anti-advertisements (no one really likes housework and products don&#039;t make you happier, that woman on tv is an actress getting paid to show those products to get you to spend money, your mommy and daddy hate housework and someday so will you, so the only way to make it better, is do it together!) Did I mention Phyliss Diller does the track???]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s. The album has a really great track not on the movie, called &#8220;Housework&#8221;&#8230;aka it&#8217;s anti-advertisements (no one really likes housework and products don&#8217;t make you happier, that woman on tv is an actress getting paid to show those products to get you to spend money, your mommy and daddy hate housework and someday so will you, so the only way to make it better, is do it together!) Did I mention Phyliss Diller does the track???</p>
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		<title>By: Av0gadro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Av0gadro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2011 00:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AmandaS, my first thought when I read the original post was that my son, too, has been raised in a pleasingly gender neutral way. But then I thought about it, and the thing is, it&#039;s easier with boys. All kids want to be like their parents, and most kids see more of their mom, so the fact that my son demanded matching hair accessories every morning for two years after watching me get ready isn&#039;t really a victory (though it felt like it at the time). 

The other thing is that we don&#039;t judge our sons when they do traditionally boy things. There&#039;s no angst there. My husband was the one who pointed it out to me - I was thrilled the day my son came home in a Princess dress, but he was concerned that I&#039;d have been appalled if it were my daughter. I love that my son plays with dolls (here in the liberal northwest, it was possible to find a blue-clothed one), his toy kitchen and vacuum cleaner, and likes to dress like me. But at the same time, it doesn&#039;t bother me when he plays with trains, trucks, and anything else with wheels. My feelings about my daughter&#039;s future pastimes are a lot more complicated. And if I&#039;m thrilled when my son wants makeup, then I can&#039;t judge when my daughter does too.

For Marie, I do feel like you shouldn&#039;t worry too much about your daughter - if she&#039;s obsessed with the doll right now it&#039;s just because it&#039;s still new, and as long as she has lots of playtime options, you&#039;re doing right by her. Worrying about your mother, on the other hand, seems quite reasonable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AmandaS, my first thought when I read the original post was that my son, too, has been raised in a pleasingly gender neutral way. But then I thought about it, and the thing is, it&#8217;s easier with boys. All kids want to be like their parents, and most kids see more of their mom, so the fact that my son demanded matching hair accessories every morning for two years after watching me get ready isn&#8217;t really a victory (though it felt like it at the time). </p>
<p>The other thing is that we don&#8217;t judge our sons when they do traditionally boy things. There&#8217;s no angst there. My husband was the one who pointed it out to me &#8211; I was thrilled the day my son came home in a Princess dress, but he was concerned that I&#8217;d have been appalled if it were my daughter. I love that my son plays with dolls (here in the liberal northwest, it was possible to find a blue-clothed one), his toy kitchen and vacuum cleaner, and likes to dress like me. But at the same time, it doesn&#8217;t bother me when he plays with trains, trucks, and anything else with wheels. My feelings about my daughter&#8217;s future pastimes are a lot more complicated. And if I&#8217;m thrilled when my son wants makeup, then I can&#8217;t judge when my daughter does too.</p>
<p>For Marie, I do feel like you shouldn&#8217;t worry too much about your daughter &#8211; if she&#8217;s obsessed with the doll right now it&#8217;s just because it&#8217;s still new, and as long as she has lots of playtime options, you&#8217;re doing right by her. Worrying about your mother, on the other hand, seems quite reasonable.</p>
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		<title>By: veganmarcy</title>
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		<dc:creator>veganmarcy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2011 00:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This sooo reminds me of &quot;William&#039;s Doll&quot; from the movie and album for &quot;Free To Be You and Me&quot;. Every week of my life I&#039;m grateful for growing up with that influence! I own the CD and the DVD, and you know what I&#039;ve been giving to my friend&#039;s kids these past couple years? The DVD and/or CD! It&#039;s so perfect and counterbalances all that other pernicious shit they get shoved at them 24-7 from media pop culture and overbearing &quot;pink vs blue&quot; relatives.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sooo reminds me of &#8220;William&#8217;s Doll&#8221; from the movie and album for &#8220;Free To Be You and Me&#8221;. Every week of my life I&#8217;m grateful for growing up with that influence! I own the CD and the DVD, and you know what I&#8217;ve been giving to my friend&#8217;s kids these past couple years? The DVD and/or CD! It&#8217;s so perfect and counterbalances all that other pernicious shit they get shoved at them 24-7 from media pop culture and overbearing &#8220;pink vs blue&#8221; relatives.</p>
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		<title>By: AmandaS</title>
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		<dc:creator>AmandaS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2011 21:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My little boy picked out a baby doll all dressed in pink and carried it everywhere with him when he was 18months old, and right now when people ask him what the best thing he got for Christmas was, he tells them about his Real! Metal! Pots! that are scaled to be just perfect in his toddler kitchen.  The relatives still buy him cars and tools and &quot;boy stuff&quot;, but I&#039;m very lucky we&#039;ve managed to strike a healthy balance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My little boy picked out a baby doll all dressed in pink and carried it everywhere with him when he was 18months old, and right now when people ask him what the best thing he got for Christmas was, he tells them about his Real! Metal! Pots! that are scaled to be just perfect in his toddler kitchen.  The relatives still buy him cars and tools and &#8220;boy stuff&#8221;, but I&#8217;m very lucky we&#8217;ve managed to strike a healthy balance.</p>
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		<title>By: Es</title>
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		<dc:creator>Es</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2011 17:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I want a Mary Wollstonecraft doll! My 4-year-old niece is a Dr Who fiend who knows all the words to the Buffy musical episode, even though she has no idea what most of the songs mean. There&#039;s a bit of doll-nursing and cooking, but she also asked for a toolkit for Christmas (and a paper cup, but that&#039;s a whole other thing) - they&#039;re waiting until she&#039;s old enough for a real one, rather than getting her a toy set.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want a Mary Wollstonecraft doll! My 4-year-old niece is a Dr Who fiend who knows all the words to the Buffy musical episode, even though she has no idea what most of the songs mean. There&#8217;s a bit of doll-nursing and cooking, but she also asked for a toolkit for Christmas (and a paper cup, but that&#8217;s a whole other thing) &#8211; they&#8217;re waiting until she&#8217;s old enough for a real one, rather than getting her a toy set.</p>
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		<title>By: Verity Khat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Verity Khat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2011 16:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fortunately, I was the child of a teacher, so a lot of my toys were educational or books (sweet, sweet books).  My room was pink, with pink ruffled curtains and a dress-up trunk to die for and pink clothes for my favorite activity--ballet class. And I loved dolls, but my Barbies usually ran out of their award-winning fashion show to fight crime or catch a space shuttle to discover new planets...

Yeah, by age 11 I was a sci-fi nerd.  Personality wins out in the end, so I think you&#039;re okay.

I think you mother might need a gentle reminder that children are not an extension of self, that from birth they are separate human beings with their own personalities and no amount of wishing and steering will make them someone they&#039;re not.  In fact, said steering will only make the child uncomfortable; to this day my mother and I have arguments about the gulf between the daughter I feel she wanted and the woman I am. &gt;_&lt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fortunately, I was the child of a teacher, so a lot of my toys were educational or books (sweet, sweet books).  My room was pink, with pink ruffled curtains and a dress-up trunk to die for and pink clothes for my favorite activity&#8211;ballet class. And I loved dolls, but my Barbies usually ran out of their award-winning fashion show to fight crime or catch a space shuttle to discover new planets&#8230;</p>
<p>Yeah, by age 11 I was a sci-fi nerd.  Personality wins out in the end, so I think you&#8217;re okay.</p>
<p>I think you mother might need a gentle reminder that children are not an extension of self, that from birth they are separate human beings with their own personalities and no amount of wishing and steering will make them someone they&#8217;re not.  In fact, said steering will only make the child uncomfortable; to this day my mother and I have arguments about the gulf between the daughter I feel she wanted and the woman I am. &gt;_&lt;</p>
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		<title>By: mumsyjr</title>
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		<dc:creator>mumsyjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2011 15:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It looks like you have a wide range of advice already, and most of it seems pretty sensible. Personally, I go by the 80% rule- if 80% of her toys are ones I approve of and consider high quality and implying appropriate messages a few horrid toys will probably not screw what I&#039;m trying to do TOO much. If the toy is terrible enough it disappears. Quickly. I don&#039;t raise hell but if I really object to something I do say so along the lines of &quot;ok, dolls are awesome, but why does it have to be a pooing doll? why can&#039;t it be a dolly I don&#039;t have to deal with?&quot; Also, the desire for mommydom is not neccessarily counter productive here. My daughter asked for all hot wheels and legos this Christmas, but she still tells me every night she wants to be a mommy someday, and she loves babies, real or plastic, human or reptilian. Her best friend wants to be a fire truck when she grows up, but would also like to be a mommy. I like to think that when a kid say they want to be a parent it&#039;s because they admire their own, or that they feel good enough when they are with their parents that they wants to become like them. I could be totally wrong. 
@Becky- I am laughing so hard! And yet I want this doll you speak of...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like you have a wide range of advice already, and most of it seems pretty sensible. Personally, I go by the 80% rule- if 80% of her toys are ones I approve of and consider high quality and implying appropriate messages a few horrid toys will probably not screw what I&#8217;m trying to do TOO much. If the toy is terrible enough it disappears. Quickly. I don&#8217;t raise hell but if I really object to something I do say so along the lines of &#8220;ok, dolls are awesome, but why does it have to be a pooing doll? why can&#8217;t it be a dolly I don&#8217;t have to deal with?&#8221; Also, the desire for mommydom is not neccessarily counter productive here. My daughter asked for all hot wheels and legos this Christmas, but she still tells me every night she wants to be a mommy someday, and she loves babies, real or plastic, human or reptilian. Her best friend wants to be a fire truck when she grows up, but would also like to be a mommy. I like to think that when a kid say they want to be a parent it&#8217;s because they admire their own, or that they feel good enough when they are with their parents that they wants to become like them. I could be totally wrong.<br />
@Becky- I am laughing so hard! And yet I want this doll you speak of&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tall-in-Heels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tall-in-Heels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2011 02:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had dolls and such growing up, and enjoyed them, but I also had two older brothers whose tastes influenced my choices; I also asked for and got things like Tonka trucks and cool Lego sets.  And we also got a lot of &quot;unisex&quot; stuff like board games.  The variety was good and allowed for a balance. But think this is because I emulated my brothers so playing exclusively with &quot;girl&quot; toys wasn&#039;t appealing.  I suppose without that influence it might be harder to achieve a balance.  

The doll is demonic looking, but it&#039;s clearly just one step in a broader agenda your mother has.  I&#039;d be more concerned about that larger agenda and try to set some boundaries.  A doll or princess-y thing here and there over the course of your daughter&#039;s childhood is probably ok, and grandmas (and their feelings) are important, but this is &lt;i&gt;your&lt;/i&gt; child, not your mother&#039;s.  She should respect your wishes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had dolls and such growing up, and enjoyed them, but I also had two older brothers whose tastes influenced my choices; I also asked for and got things like Tonka trucks and cool Lego sets.  And we also got a lot of &#8220;unisex&#8221; stuff like board games.  The variety was good and allowed for a balance. But think this is because I emulated my brothers so playing exclusively with &#8220;girl&#8221; toys wasn&#8217;t appealing.  I suppose without that influence it might be harder to achieve a balance.  </p>
<p>The doll is demonic looking, but it&#8217;s clearly just one step in a broader agenda your mother has.  I&#8217;d be more concerned about that larger agenda and try to set some boundaries.  A doll or princess-y thing here and there over the course of your daughter&#8217;s childhood is probably ok, and grandmas (and their feelings) are important, but this is <i>your</i> child, not your mother&#8217;s.  She should respect your wishes.</p>
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		<title>By: Mackey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mackey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2011 01:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Becky - 
“Oh, she played with it until it was worn out and then I got her this Mary Wollstonecraft doll. See, it recites Vindication of the Rights of Woman when you press this button here!”
I would love to have had this as a doll! In fact it would be a doll I would love to have now!!! I&#039;m going to google-fu my way around and see if one exists...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Becky &#8211;<br />
“Oh, she played with it until it was worn out and then I got her this Mary Wollstonecraft doll. See, it recites Vindication of the Rights of Woman when you press this button here!”<br />
I would love to have had this as a doll! In fact it would be a doll I would love to have now!!! I&#8217;m going to google-fu my way around and see if one exists&#8230;</p>
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