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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Never Were There Such Devoted Sisters&#8221;: Thoughts on Cinematic Siblings</title>
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		<title>By: Rosie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 20:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;Sibling dynamics can be complicated, difficult, glorious. Yet in popular culture they are often portrayed in negative, competitive ways.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;


Although I have had some confrontations with my younger sister and brother, my relationship with both have been pretty positive.

It&#039;s a different picture for my father and his siblings.  There is plenty of negativity and competitiveness between them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Sibling dynamics can be complicated, difficult, glorious. Yet in popular culture they are often portrayed in negative, competitive ways.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Although I have had some confrontations with my younger sister and brother, my relationship with both have been pretty positive.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a different picture for my father and his siblings.  There is plenty of negativity and competitiveness between them.</p>
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		<title>By: ShinyObjects</title>
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		<dc:creator>ShinyObjects</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 20:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In my younger years I loved reading about relationships between sisters. I have a younger brother (and we got/get along famously) but I always wondered what it was like to be part of a sisterly pair or triple. I particularly remember the All of A Kind Family books being warm, loving depictions of sisters. Some squabbles, sure, but nothing as painfully vindictive as Mary and Edith (thanks for writing about Downton Abbey, Anna, for all its soapiness I loved it).
Also, emilyanne, it may have been you in a book thread here who prompted me to put Rosamund Lehmann on my list. I _just_ found Invitation to the Waltz at a used store and omigod where had she been all my life? Olivia is a fantastic character. Some of the sisterly interaction was so touching, like the lace collar part. Anyway, thanks for giving me another author!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my younger years I loved reading about relationships between sisters. I have a younger brother (and we got/get along famously) but I always wondered what it was like to be part of a sisterly pair or triple. I particularly remember the All of A Kind Family books being warm, loving depictions of sisters. Some squabbles, sure, but nothing as painfully vindictive as Mary and Edith (thanks for writing about Downton Abbey, Anna, for all its soapiness I loved it).<br />
Also, emilyanne, it may have been you in a book thread here who prompted me to put Rosamund Lehmann on my list. I _just_ found Invitation to the Waltz at a used store and omigod where had she been all my life? Olivia is a fantastic character. Some of the sisterly interaction was so touching, like the lace collar part. Anyway, thanks for giving me another author!</p>
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		<title>By: Faye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 18:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The meanness in female relationships (not just between the sisters) that I saw in &quot;DA&quot; was both familiar and tragic. My husband, on the other hand, coming from a family of five boys, was stunned by the machinations of the two older sisters -- &quot;Why can&#039;t they just &#039;live and let live&#039;?&quot; he asked at one point. 

I think we&#039;re rarely truthful enough about the difficulty and complexity of sibling relationships. My sister is 18 months older than me and either we are simpatico in every way or I can&#039;t stand her. My relationships with her and our younger brother are an ongoing puzzle that I find exhausting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The meanness in female relationships (not just between the sisters) that I saw in &#8220;DA&#8221; was both familiar and tragic. My husband, on the other hand, coming from a family of five boys, was stunned by the machinations of the two older sisters &#8212; &#8220;Why can&#8217;t they just &#8216;live and let live&#8217;?&#8221; he asked at one point. </p>
<p>I think we&#8217;re rarely truthful enough about the difficulty and complexity of sibling relationships. My sister is 18 months older than me and either we are simpatico in every way or I can&#8217;t stand her. My relationships with her and our younger brother are an ongoing puzzle that I find exhausting.</p>
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		<title>By: emilyanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>emilyanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 18:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Stephanie - that is really interesting. I always ask and I have siblings but I don&#039;t really count as I&#039;m also incurably nosy which is why I work in journalism.

As to strong sibling relationships in literature, I&#039;ve spent an awful lot of time thinking about this as I am very close to my own sister and to my brother and we never suffered from the &#039;oldest&#039; middle etc syndrome - although when I was a teenager I did get annoyed briefly when my friends started hanging out with my sister as well (she&#039;s younger by 18 months). 

Anyway back on point, Little Women always stood out for me as a child and I always remember the family in Nancy Mitford&#039;s The Pursuit of Love who are very close in their own way. Rosamund Lehman has a great book about two sisters, Invitation to the Waltz, which also has a brilliant sequel, but the relationship isn&#039;t a happy one. 

Oh I know the sisters in the wonderful  I Capture The Castle by Dodie Smith are genuinely close.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Stephanie &#8211; that is really interesting. I always ask and I have siblings but I don&#8217;t really count as I&#8217;m also incurably nosy which is why I work in journalism.</p>
<p>As to strong sibling relationships in literature, I&#8217;ve spent an awful lot of time thinking about this as I am very close to my own sister and to my brother and we never suffered from the &#8216;oldest&#8217; middle etc syndrome &#8211; although when I was a teenager I did get annoyed briefly when my friends started hanging out with my sister as well (she&#8217;s younger by 18 months). </p>
<p>Anyway back on point, Little Women always stood out for me as a child and I always remember the family in Nancy Mitford&#8217;s The Pursuit of Love who are very close in their own way. Rosamund Lehman has a great book about two sisters, Invitation to the Waltz, which also has a brilliant sequel, but the relationship isn&#8217;t a happy one. </p>
<p>Oh I know the sisters in the wonderful  I Capture The Castle by Dodie Smith are genuinely close.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 12:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve heard good things about Downtown Abbey so I need to get around to watching it eventually! I tend to avoid birth order stuff because the stereotypes of only children are overwhelmingly negative. Once, I was having lunch with friends and I asked how their brother or sisters were doing because they told me they were going through a difficult time in their lives. They told me that only only children ask about their siblings and that those with siblings don&#039;t. I thought that was really interesting. I suppose, as someone who doesn&#039;t have siblings, I&#039;m always curious as to how other people relate to theirs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard good things about Downtown Abbey so I need to get around to watching it eventually! I tend to avoid birth order stuff because the stereotypes of only children are overwhelmingly negative. Once, I was having lunch with friends and I asked how their brother or sisters were doing because they told me they were going through a difficult time in their lives. They told me that only only children ask about their siblings and that those with siblings don&#8217;t. I thought that was really interesting. I suppose, as someone who doesn&#8217;t have siblings, I&#8217;m always curious as to how other people relate to theirs.</p>
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		<title>By: A</title>
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		<dc:creator>A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 03:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the press kit, in an interview with either Edith&#039;s or Mary&#039;s actress, she reflects that she is actually very close with her sisters in real life and finds Edith and Mary&#039;s toxic relationship very sad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the press kit, in an interview with either Edith&#8217;s or Mary&#8217;s actress, she reflects that she is actually very close with her sisters in real life and finds Edith and Mary&#8217;s toxic relationship very sad.</p>
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		<title>By: annajcook</title>
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		<dc:creator>annajcook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 00:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Melissa, LOVE &quot;Charmed&quot; even though I only ever had chances to see parts of seasons (long periods w/o television or cable) ... and you&#039;re right it&#039;s an interesting example of nuance in sibling relationships ... even if the characters are somewhat typed.

@waxghost, haven&#039;t seen the U.S. remake of &quot;Being Human&quot; ... the BBC version does have some really nice platonic, sibling-like relationships in it. Though I&#039;d argue that the &quot;chosen family&quot; aspect of the three main characters is a bit different than siblings who have grown up together. At least from the standpoint of cultural narratives.

@WingStaff, totally agree that the mother in Downton Abbey is egging her daughters on in competitive ways. Lady Crawley is a difficult character to sympathize with, I thought (though I understand some of her motivations).

@Av0gadro, I understand your point re: &quot;happy families,&quot; but I always feel that is something of a cop-out. With both family relationships and intimate/sexual relationship stories. First, because historically speaking we haven&#039;t always shied so consistently away from telling stories about successful, long-lasting relationships (familial or sexual). And second, because I don&#039;t believe that &quot;happiness&quot; somehow has less narrative depth or complexity than unhappiness. 

What I absolutely agree with is that as a culture we have a very impoverished vocabulary for talking about successful, joyful, fulfilling, stable relationships of many kinds. So when we do try to portray them, the portrayals come off trite and cliche. I think that&#039;s a fault of our imagination, not the nature of solid relationships themselves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Melissa, LOVE &#8220;Charmed&#8221; even though I only ever had chances to see parts of seasons (long periods w/o television or cable) &#8230; and you&#8217;re right it&#8217;s an interesting example of nuance in sibling relationships &#8230; even if the characters are somewhat typed.</p>
<p>@waxghost, haven&#8217;t seen the U.S. remake of &#8220;Being Human&#8221; &#8230; the BBC version does have some really nice platonic, sibling-like relationships in it. Though I&#8217;d argue that the &#8220;chosen family&#8221; aspect of the three main characters is a bit different than siblings who have grown up together. At least from the standpoint of cultural narratives.</p>
<p>@WingStaff, totally agree that the mother in Downton Abbey is egging her daughters on in competitive ways. Lady Crawley is a difficult character to sympathize with, I thought (though I understand some of her motivations).</p>
<p>@Av0gadro, I understand your point re: &#8220;happy families,&#8221; but I always feel that is something of a cop-out. With both family relationships and intimate/sexual relationship stories. First, because historically speaking we haven&#8217;t always shied so consistently away from telling stories about successful, long-lasting relationships (familial or sexual). And second, because I don&#8217;t believe that &#8220;happiness&#8221; somehow has less narrative depth or complexity than unhappiness. </p>
<p>What I absolutely agree with is that as a culture we have a very impoverished vocabulary for talking about successful, joyful, fulfilling, stable relationships of many kinds. So when we do try to portray them, the portrayals come off trite and cliche. I think that&#8217;s a fault of our imagination, not the nature of solid relationships themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Mackey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mackey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 00:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anna, I think it&#039;s interesting how much social mores, dictates and expectations shape family dynamics. Whether it be in the past or in the present. And in some ways, birth order can (I&#039;m not saying it does!) affect siblings, their choices and options, and what happens to them.

I haven&#039;t come across any literature that depicts my family life, especially sibling relationships. 
I come from a family where there were more than 5 kids (where one of us kids came from a previous parental relationship), where I was the second oldest and eldest daughter. 

By virtue of my birth order and gender, I had different expectations and responsibilities to my other brothers and sisters, and in particular elements of caring and concern for my siblings that were not expected for those younger than me.
This caused issues when I was younger, and like with most relationships there are highs and lows.

I &#039;escaped&#039; the expectations that were put on me - in particular I wasn&#039;t married when I left the family home and still not married now (despite half of my brothers and sisters being married). 

In some ways, being one of the eldest, I have made my own way in the world, which is somewhat out of character for an elder child. But then birth order analysis seems to stop at about 3 or 4 siblings, so I&#039;m not sure if this is true to type..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anna, I think it&#8217;s interesting how much social mores, dictates and expectations shape family dynamics. Whether it be in the past or in the present. And in some ways, birth order can (I&#8217;m not saying it does!) affect siblings, their choices and options, and what happens to them.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t come across any literature that depicts my family life, especially sibling relationships.<br />
I come from a family where there were more than 5 kids (where one of us kids came from a previous parental relationship), where I was the second oldest and eldest daughter. </p>
<p>By virtue of my birth order and gender, I had different expectations and responsibilities to my other brothers and sisters, and in particular elements of caring and concern for my siblings that were not expected for those younger than me.<br />
This caused issues when I was younger, and like with most relationships there are highs and lows.</p>
<p>I &#8216;escaped&#8217; the expectations that were put on me &#8211; in particular I wasn&#8217;t married when I left the family home and still not married now (despite half of my brothers and sisters being married). </p>
<p>In some ways, being one of the eldest, I have made my own way in the world, which is somewhat out of character for an elder child. But then birth order analysis seems to stop at about 3 or 4 siblings, so I&#8217;m not sure if this is true to type..</p>
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		<title>By: waxghost</title>
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		<dc:creator>waxghost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 22:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s a new t.v. show on the SyFy Channel called Being Human that has a really great depiction of siblings who were very close.  In that case, the great drama of their relationship is that they want to be close but one of the main characters&#039; issues (being a werewolf - which I take as a very effective metaphor for other things) gets in the way.  From my own experiences of being one of a group of siblings with some serious issues (not being a werewolf, though, thankfully), it&#039;s pretty accurate to the simultaneous longing and shame that can keep siblings hurting each other even when they don&#039;t want or mean to be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a new t.v. show on the SyFy Channel called Being Human that has a really great depiction of siblings who were very close.  In that case, the great drama of their relationship is that they want to be close but one of the main characters&#8217; issues (being a werewolf &#8211; which I take as a very effective metaphor for other things) gets in the way.  From my own experiences of being one of a group of siblings with some serious issues (not being a werewolf, though, thankfully), it&#8217;s pretty accurate to the simultaneous longing and shame that can keep siblings hurting each other even when they don&#8217;t want or mean to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Lydia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lydia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 21:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I grew up with two younger brothers. We argued occasionally, of course, but there was never the dysfunction or competitiveness among us that so often pops up in popular culture.

Then again, I also come from a family in which loving, happy couples are the norm. You don&#039;t see that on TV often either!

Av0gadro, I agree that this is probably due at least in part to the fact that peaceful relationships aren&#039;t as exciting stories.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up with two younger brothers. We argued occasionally, of course, but there was never the dysfunction or competitiveness among us that so often pops up in popular culture.</p>
<p>Then again, I also come from a family in which loving, happy couples are the norm. You don&#8217;t see that on TV often either!</p>
<p>Av0gadro, I agree that this is probably due at least in part to the fact that peaceful relationships aren&#8217;t as exciting stories.</p>
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