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		<title>By: Es</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2011/02/16/i-see-sexism-cold-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-63205</link>
		<dc:creator>Es</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My ex-mother in law was very much like this. My ex has a sister, and when the four of us were there at weekends, she&#039;d ask me and his sister to set the table, help with the cooking, while her partner and mine were never asked. As it was we both delegated to the men to do things and they did, perfectly happily, but I can see why our life at home was a struggle in this regard. He was always happy to &#039;help&#039; but in his head he was &#039;helping&#039; - not doing it because he lived there too and had as much responsibility for household nonsense as I did. It was one of the major bones of contention between us for the 10 years we were together, and did contribute to our split as he wanted me to have a kid, I was less keen and definitely didn&#039;t want to end up being totally in charge of it while he did the fun stuff.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My ex-mother in law was very much like this. My ex has a sister, and when the four of us were there at weekends, she&#8217;d ask me and his sister to set the table, help with the cooking, while her partner and mine were never asked. As it was we both delegated to the men to do things and they did, perfectly happily, but I can see why our life at home was a struggle in this regard. He was always happy to &#8216;help&#8217; but in his head he was &#8216;helping&#8217; &#8211; not doing it because he lived there too and had as much responsibility for household nonsense as I did. It was one of the major bones of contention between us for the 10 years we were together, and did contribute to our split as he wanted me to have a kid, I was less keen and definitely didn&#8217;t want to end up being totally in charge of it while he did the fun stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Verity Khat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Verity Khat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 21:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanksgiving dinner, or any food-related gathering really, at my septuagenarian aunt&#039;s house.  The dudes (ranging in age from 76 - 16) only appear in the kitchen if cutting or wrestling of meat is involved, and only if specifically asked.  Otherwise, they&#039;re parked on the couch or the deck, watching TV and talking.  And I, I am torn, for I *have* been raised to help and think it only polite, but plopping on the couch and telling them to go help it has no effect!  THEY ARE OBLIVIOUS!

At my mother&#039;s house, however, occasionally a dude with help without being asked.  I can&#039;t decide if it&#039;s the lack of my aunt shooing them out of &quot;her&quot; kitchen, or that my dad sets a great example in his own home.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanksgiving dinner, or any food-related gathering really, at my septuagenarian aunt&#8217;s house.  The dudes (ranging in age from 76 &#8211; 16) only appear in the kitchen if cutting or wrestling of meat is involved, and only if specifically asked.  Otherwise, they&#8217;re parked on the couch or the deck, watching TV and talking.  And I, I am torn, for I *have* been raised to help and think it only polite, but plopping on the couch and telling them to go help it has no effect!  THEY ARE OBLIVIOUS!</p>
<p>At my mother&#8217;s house, however, occasionally a dude with help without being asked.  I can&#8217;t decide if it&#8217;s the lack of my aunt shooing them out of &#8220;her&#8221; kitchen, or that my dad sets a great example in his own home.</p>
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		<title>By: wondering</title>
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		<dc:creator>wondering</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[omg - Thanksgiving dinner. I cook, the inlaws come over to eat. Then Mrs Inlaw wants to bond with me over doing dishes and gets seriously hurt when I say &quot;I cooked. Spouse will do dishes in the morning. Let&#039;s just enjoy the evening.&quot;

Her response, &quot;Oh, I don&#039;t think he&#039;ll like that.&quot;

Seriously? Who the fuck cares if he likes it or not. He&#039;s doing his share. We all do chores we &quot;don&#039;t like&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>omg &#8211; Thanksgiving dinner. I cook, the inlaws come over to eat. Then Mrs Inlaw wants to bond with me over doing dishes and gets seriously hurt when I say &#8220;I cooked. Spouse will do dishes in the morning. Let&#8217;s just enjoy the evening.&#8221;</p>
<p>Her response, &#8220;Oh, I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;ll like that.&#8221;</p>
<p>Seriously? Who the fuck cares if he likes it or not. He&#8217;s doing his share. We all do chores we &#8220;don&#8217;t like&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Brennan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brennan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 17:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Twenty-odd years ago, my father lost some serious points with my mother when he started complaining about his feet.  He&#039;d been standing for hours in his dress shoes, which he to this day insists were very uncomfortable.  I guess he felt justified in griping about it, especially since his wife got to lie in bed for most of those hours.  He lost points because that bed was located in the maternity ward and my mother was in the process of evicting my brother from her uterus.  But, clearly the real emergency was his very uncomfortable dress shoes. ;P

On a more serious note, I feel for people like Alecto&#039;s mom who cultivate the reputation of never getting sick unless they&#039;re very very sick.  This is often an indication that the person in question (usually a woman) won&#039;t admit to feeling crappy, sometimes even to themselves.  So they don&#039;t take care of themselves and often end up very very sick.  A few years ago, my mother had bronchitis for two months before she missed a day of work *or* saw a doctor.  The year before that it was a severe sinus infection that took forever to resolve because she felt that she couldn&#039;t slow down.  Now every time I hear her cough I worry that she&#039;ll end up with pneumonia.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twenty-odd years ago, my father lost some serious points with my mother when he started complaining about his feet.  He&#8217;d been standing for hours in his dress shoes, which he to this day insists were very uncomfortable.  I guess he felt justified in griping about it, especially since his wife got to lie in bed for most of those hours.  He lost points because that bed was located in the maternity ward and my mother was in the process of evicting my brother from her uterus.  But, clearly the real emergency was his very uncomfortable dress shoes. ;P</p>
<p>On a more serious note, I feel for people like Alecto&#8217;s mom who cultivate the reputation of never getting sick unless they&#8217;re very very sick.  This is often an indication that the person in question (usually a woman) won&#8217;t admit to feeling crappy, sometimes even to themselves.  So they don&#8217;t take care of themselves and often end up very very sick.  A few years ago, my mother had bronchitis for two months before she missed a day of work *or* saw a doctor.  The year before that it was a severe sinus infection that took forever to resolve because she felt that she couldn&#8217;t slow down.  Now every time I hear her cough I worry that she&#8217;ll end up with pneumonia.</p>
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		<title>By: Av0gadro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Av0gadro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 16:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My husband is ok about taking care of me (and the kids) when I&#039;m sick, as  long as I constantly remind him that he needs to. If I go two hours without telling him that I feel awful, he reverts to assuming I&#039;m fine and can do everything.

Sick days are sometimes a huge point of contention in our house. I know that it&#039;s not that easy to take off work in America, even when you&#039;re privileged to work in a company where you &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; sick days. But the attitude I get when I tell him he has to stay home to keep the kids alive (and it&#039;s only happened three times in four years)is kind of appalling. I feel like I&#039;m single handedly setting his career back six years when I ask him to let me have a sick day. I do wonder how much flack guys get from other (douchey) guys when they do things like take off work to do childcare.

And my husband is, on the scale of husbands, &lt;i&gt;awesome&lt;/i&gt; about pulling his housework weight. Some things just go deep.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband is ok about taking care of me (and the kids) when I&#8217;m sick, as  long as I constantly remind him that he needs to. If I go two hours without telling him that I feel awful, he reverts to assuming I&#8217;m fine and can do everything.</p>
<p>Sick days are sometimes a huge point of contention in our house. I know that it&#8217;s not that easy to take off work in America, even when you&#8217;re privileged to work in a company where you <i>have</i> sick days. But the attitude I get when I tell him he has to stay home to keep the kids alive (and it&#8217;s only happened three times in four years)is kind of appalling. I feel like I&#8217;m single handedly setting his career back six years when I ask him to let me have a sick day. I do wonder how much flack guys get from other (douchey) guys when they do things like take off work to do childcare.</p>
<p>And my husband is, on the scale of husbands, <i>awesome</i> about pulling his housework weight. Some things just go deep.</p>
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		<title>By: Es</title>
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		<dc:creator>Es</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Any other UK readers regularly filled with rage by that dreadful Boot&#039;s advert?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9C4UVs3JD-g


RAAAAAAAAAGE! 

And yes, all of the above. It does nobody any favours, encourages women to treat men like incapable children who need looking after and there-thereing and men to act like them, and it encourages women to martyr - and to go into work when they&#039;re ill and spread it around the entire office.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any other UK readers regularly filled with rage by that dreadful Boot&#8217;s advert?<br />
<a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=9C4UVs3JD-g" rel="nofollow">http://youtube.com/watch?v=9C4UVs3JD-g</a></p>
<p>RAAAAAAAAAGE! </p>
<p>And yes, all of the above. It does nobody any favours, encourages women to treat men like incapable children who need looking after and there-thereing and men to act like them, and it encourages women to martyr &#8211; and to go into work when they&#8217;re ill and spread it around the entire office.</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anka FTW!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anka FTW!</p>
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		<title>By: Anka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 14:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AAGH! This is one thing that makes me see red. I LOATHE this wimpy-man-cold vs. warrior-woman phenomenon. I broke up with husband(before he was my husband) partly over this. I have migraines, and for the first few years we were dating, whenever I got one, which was often, or was otherwise sick, he&#039;d get all anxious and accusatory and manufacture an imaginary illness and be like, &quot;No, *I&#039;m* sick now! Take care of ME!&quot; I generally DID take care of him when he wasn&#039;t feeling well, but it was ridiculous to be expected to do it while throwing up and blacking out, while he never did anything and acted like I was either his mommy deserting him by having needs or else a car with a defective part. We became a couple again six weeks later only after he agreed to a) stop it and b) take care of me when I&#039;m incapacitated too. It took several big fights for him to see what I was talking about--he genuinely couldn&#039;t, and thought I was imagining an issue or making something up to trick him. Fortunately, he&#039;s a lovely man in general and just had to be hit over the head with the injustice of the scenario before he got it, which he now totally does. 

I was talking with a staunchly feminist close mutual female friend of ours from his area of the world (Central Asia), and we established that we were both thrown into an incandescent rage by the idea we were both brought up in that women&#039;s health, sleep, and leisure time don&#039;t matter and mens&#039; do. I decided recently that I&#039;m never going to put up with this sh*t again, in any form. No women cooking for hours *and* cleaning up for hours while the men sit around in our house! This was happening at our place on Thanksgiving so I sat with my husband and the other dude and pantomimed a ball-scratching leisure-hoarding man--and informed them that that&#039;s what I was doing--until my husband got up to help. (To be fair, he&#039;s generally very good at cooking unasked and not too bad at cleaning unasked.) I also refuse to get up two hours before my husband on principle when we&#039;re in his village, the way my mother-in-law still thinks she has the power to insist on (in a &quot;our men are well taken care of by our tireless energizer bunny women&quot; way). It doesn&#039;t accomplish anything except reinforce the status quo and make us women cranky, sleep-deprived, and more vulnerable to illness, which they then have to ignore while ministering to everyone else&#039;s needs. I&#039;ll help with the common work so that other women aren&#039;t stuck with everything, but I&#039;m not going to do this just-for-show symbolic stuff. No thanks!!! 

I&#039;m also trying to get used to refraining from doing the invisible wifework and not feeling guilty about a messier house as a result when guests come over. It&#039;s a process. We&#039;re currently living in a more socialist-type country than the one I was born and brought up in (US), so I&#039;m hoping that we can stay here while we have kids, because I don&#039;t want to be a second-shifting superwoman with no social support, and it seems like I have slightly larger chance of avoiding that here. I have a feeling that despite our best intentions, we have a tendency to fall into these roles if we&#039;re not conscious of what&#039;s happening. Fortunately, my husband seems to get it, now that he realizes that this double standard is a form of social injustice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AAGH! This is one thing that makes me see red. I LOATHE this wimpy-man-cold vs. warrior-woman phenomenon. I broke up with husband(before he was my husband) partly over this. I have migraines, and for the first few years we were dating, whenever I got one, which was often, or was otherwise sick, he&#8217;d get all anxious and accusatory and manufacture an imaginary illness and be like, &#8220;No, *I&#8217;m* sick now! Take care of ME!&#8221; I generally DID take care of him when he wasn&#8217;t feeling well, but it was ridiculous to be expected to do it while throwing up and blacking out, while he never did anything and acted like I was either his mommy deserting him by having needs or else a car with a defective part. We became a couple again six weeks later only after he agreed to a) stop it and b) take care of me when I&#8217;m incapacitated too. It took several big fights for him to see what I was talking about&#8211;he genuinely couldn&#8217;t, and thought I was imagining an issue or making something up to trick him. Fortunately, he&#8217;s a lovely man in general and just had to be hit over the head with the injustice of the scenario before he got it, which he now totally does. </p>
<p>I was talking with a staunchly feminist close mutual female friend of ours from his area of the world (Central Asia), and we established that we were both thrown into an incandescent rage by the idea we were both brought up in that women&#8217;s health, sleep, and leisure time don&#8217;t matter and mens&#8217; do. I decided recently that I&#8217;m never going to put up with this sh*t again, in any form. No women cooking for hours *and* cleaning up for hours while the men sit around in our house! This was happening at our place on Thanksgiving so I sat with my husband and the other dude and pantomimed a ball-scratching leisure-hoarding man&#8211;and informed them that that&#8217;s what I was doing&#8211;until my husband got up to help. (To be fair, he&#8217;s generally very good at cooking unasked and not too bad at cleaning unasked.) I also refuse to get up two hours before my husband on principle when we&#8217;re in his village, the way my mother-in-law still thinks she has the power to insist on (in a &#8220;our men are well taken care of by our tireless energizer bunny women&#8221; way). It doesn&#8217;t accomplish anything except reinforce the status quo and make us women cranky, sleep-deprived, and more vulnerable to illness, which they then have to ignore while ministering to everyone else&#8217;s needs. I&#8217;ll help with the common work so that other women aren&#8217;t stuck with everything, but I&#8217;m not going to do this just-for-show symbolic stuff. No thanks!!! </p>
<p>I&#8217;m also trying to get used to refraining from doing the invisible wifework and not feeling guilty about a messier house as a result when guests come over. It&#8217;s a process. We&#8217;re currently living in a more socialist-type country than the one I was born and brought up in (US), so I&#8217;m hoping that we can stay here while we have kids, because I don&#8217;t want to be a second-shifting superwoman with no social support, and it seems like I have slightly larger chance of avoiding that here. I have a feeling that despite our best intentions, we have a tendency to fall into these roles if we&#8217;re not conscious of what&#8217;s happening. Fortunately, my husband seems to get it, now that he realizes that this double standard is a form of social injustice.</p>
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		<title>By: Feminizzle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Feminizzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 13:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have to say that the whole kitchen is women&#039;s territory is such an engrained sexist trait.  I&#039;ve come to the point that anytime my boyfriend and I have friends or relatives over, I count who helps clean up after a meal.  And not once has there been a guy.  The women automatically rise with me to help carry things to the sink, but the men just sit there, continuing the conversation.  I am open about my dislike of this and tell them straight off that they ate, so they need to contribute.  With friends that has never been a problem and the guys usually feel a little ashamed for not doing it in the first place.  At large family get-togethers, though, uncles and grandparents just laugh at the little feminist.  Why change things when they&#039;ve worked for this long?  Ugh.

I am pretty disgusted by the sickness inequality, and it&#039;s something that I hadn&#039;t actually thought about before now.  While I haven&#039;t experienced it firsthand, TV commericals definitely help continue this idea.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say that the whole kitchen is women&#8217;s territory is such an engrained sexist trait.  I&#8217;ve come to the point that anytime my boyfriend and I have friends or relatives over, I count who helps clean up after a meal.  And not once has there been a guy.  The women automatically rise with me to help carry things to the sink, but the men just sit there, continuing the conversation.  I am open about my dislike of this and tell them straight off that they ate, so they need to contribute.  With friends that has never been a problem and the guys usually feel a little ashamed for not doing it in the first place.  At large family get-togethers, though, uncles and grandparents just laugh at the little feminist.  Why change things when they&#8217;ve worked for this long?  Ugh.</p>
<p>I am pretty disgusted by the sickness inequality, and it&#8217;s something that I hadn&#8217;t actually thought about before now.  While I haven&#8217;t experienced it firsthand, TV commericals definitely help continue this idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Alecto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alecto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 13:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On the sickness issue, well I&#039;m partnerless so I don&#039;t really have that, but boyfriends I&#039;ve had have usually been quite caring, probably because for some reason I tend to awaken their protective instincts. I usually tend to hide in bed until it goes away and will do nothing. I&#039;m stubborn.

My mother hardly ever gets sick, but when she does it&#039;s BAD - the last time she ended up in hospital because of pulmonary embolism, so when she got home we all ran around taking care of everything, and to be honest the only other time I really remember is when she broke a couple ribs when I was a kid and had to stay in bed for a month at least, so in my memory at least when one of my parents is sick the other is in charge of everything.

On the other hand, my mother tends to do the inside things while my dad does the outdoors, but that&#039;s also complicated since my parents live on a farm and have horses and there&#039;s a lot of outdoors stuff that needs doing, so I don&#039;t know how fair the split is. 
And the rule for dishes is that if you cooked, you don&#039;t clean!
But my mother is the one who does things like sending thank you notes and christmas cards.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the sickness issue, well I&#8217;m partnerless so I don&#8217;t really have that, but boyfriends I&#8217;ve had have usually been quite caring, probably because for some reason I tend to awaken their protective instincts. I usually tend to hide in bed until it goes away and will do nothing. I&#8217;m stubborn.</p>
<p>My mother hardly ever gets sick, but when she does it&#8217;s BAD &#8211; the last time she ended up in hospital because of pulmonary embolism, so when she got home we all ran around taking care of everything, and to be honest the only other time I really remember is when she broke a couple ribs when I was a kid and had to stay in bed for a month at least, so in my memory at least when one of my parents is sick the other is in charge of everything.</p>
<p>On the other hand, my mother tends to do the inside things while my dad does the outdoors, but that&#8217;s also complicated since my parents live on a farm and have horses and there&#8217;s a lot of outdoors stuff that needs doing, so I don&#8217;t know how fair the split is.<br />
And the rule for dishes is that if you cooked, you don&#8217;t clean!<br />
But my mother is the one who does things like sending thank you notes and christmas cards.</p>
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