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		<title>By: Mackey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mackey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 08:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As another Australian, I agree with what SkipToMyLou said. Though at uni there was an interesting discussion in a political philosophy course where some US students and Aus students had a debate over voluntary v/s compulsory voting. I&#039;m still not convinced about the &quot;freedom from voting&quot; (ie negative freedoms) argument that is espoused against compulsory voting.

From watching other countries&#039; elections, especially where it is voluntary, the system of compulsory voting seems to lessen the influence of fringe groups on election outcomes.

Even with compulsory voting, I&#039;m still involved in other forms of political action - working on campaigns that I care about, engaging in protest, etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As another Australian, I agree with what SkipToMyLou said. Though at uni there was an interesting discussion in a political philosophy course where some US students and Aus students had a debate over voluntary v/s compulsory voting. I&#8217;m still not convinced about the &#8220;freedom from voting&#8221; (ie negative freedoms) argument that is espoused against compulsory voting.</p>
<p>From watching other countries&#8217; elections, especially where it is voluntary, the system of compulsory voting seems to lessen the influence of fringe groups on election outcomes.</p>
<p>Even with compulsory voting, I&#8217;m still involved in other forms of political action &#8211; working on campaigns that I care about, engaging in protest, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 04:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@SkipToMyLou: Hey, thanks for trying to improve the state by being politically active even though you can&#039;t vote there! But...um...yeah, it&#039;s completely batshit. It&#039;s like Virginia had some kind of nervous breakdown in 2008. On one hand, it went blue for Obama. On the other, it sent all those GOP birthers and Jesus freaks to Richmond. The only saving grace about VA&#039;s politics is that even if you get a batshit governor, he only gets four years to be batshit in office. Of course, sometimes this encourages them to do wildly batshit things because they&#039;re not going to run for re-election.

 And..uh..my father was one of those people who voted for McDonnell (although not Cucinelli, I think).  We don&#039;t talk about it. Well, not anymore. The first few conversations didn&#039;t go well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@SkipToMyLou: Hey, thanks for trying to improve the state by being politically active even though you can&#8217;t vote there! But&#8230;um&#8230;yeah, it&#8217;s completely batshit. It&#8217;s like Virginia had some kind of nervous breakdown in 2008. On one hand, it went blue for Obama. On the other, it sent all those GOP birthers and Jesus freaks to Richmond. The only saving grace about VA&#8217;s politics is that even if you get a batshit governor, he only gets four years to be batshit in office. Of course, sometimes this encourages them to do wildly batshit things because they&#8217;re not going to run for re-election.</p>
<p> And..uh..my father was one of those people who voted for McDonnell (although not Cucinelli, I think).  We don&#8217;t talk about it. Well, not anymore. The first few conversations didn&#8217;t go well.</p>
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		<title>By: Tall-in-Heels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tall-in-Heels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 03:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve always voted, mainly because the class habitus that Dork describes wasn&#039;t at all my reality.  I knew how badly things could suck, and I saw voting as the only real way I could influence whether programs and services to help the less fortunate were implemented and/or maintained.  I have, however, become more cynical and frustrated with politicians of all stripes over the years. I almost bowed out of the last election, but as crappy as any Democratic politician may be, most Republican politicians scare the bejesus out of me these days.  So I vote for the lesser of the two evils.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always voted, mainly because the class habitus that Dork describes wasn&#8217;t at all my reality.  I knew how badly things could suck, and I saw voting as the only real way I could influence whether programs and services to help the less fortunate were implemented and/or maintained.  I have, however, become more cynical and frustrated with politicians of all stripes over the years. I almost bowed out of the last election, but as crappy as any Democratic politician may be, most Republican politicians scare the bejesus out of me these days.  So I vote for the lesser of the two evils.</p>
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		<title>By: SkipToMyLou</title>
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		<dc:creator>SkipToMyLou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 02:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@tmae, @becky OH MY FUCKING GOD VIRGINIA! Although I am a proud Australian, I currently live in NoVa and agree that this state has gone completely, utterly bonkers in the last year. I volunteered for Creigh Deeds and it was the most dispiriting political experience of my life. He was always a loser. Since then, between McDonnell, Cucinelli, the abortion clinic shit, Liberty University&#039;s fucking health care lawsuit, oh my god- removing the RED LIGHT CAMERAS becuase they are indicative of some larger nanny state issue, blargh, I can&#039;t even end this sentence. God, VA&#039;s insane. Would compulsory voting change this? I don&#039;t know. I can&#039;t believe anyone voted for these clowns. Sometimes I look around at my neighbors and think, you? Was it you? Did you do this?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@tmae, @becky OH MY FUCKING GOD VIRGINIA! Although I am a proud Australian, I currently live in NoVa and agree that this state has gone completely, utterly bonkers in the last year. I volunteered for Creigh Deeds and it was the most dispiriting political experience of my life. He was always a loser. Since then, between McDonnell, Cucinelli, the abortion clinic shit, Liberty University&#8217;s fucking health care lawsuit, oh my god- removing the RED LIGHT CAMERAS becuase they are indicative of some larger nanny state issue, blargh, I can&#8217;t even end this sentence. God, VA&#8217;s insane. Would compulsory voting change this? I don&#8217;t know. I can&#8217;t believe anyone voted for these clowns. Sometimes I look around at my neighbors and think, you? Was it you? Did you do this?</p>
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		<title>By: TMae</title>
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		<dc:creator>TMae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 02:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Becky - My hubs and I volunteered for Periello this summer and were very disappointed (though not surprised) to see him lose his seat to Hurt. I hope he runs for Webb&#039;s Senate seat. I&#039;d rather see him than Kaine run. And the state? I can&#039;t even talk about that right now because I&#039;m so pissed about it all.

I vote in any and every election because, I too, believe it is necessary to do so out of respect for the women who protested, and advocated, and went to jail to procure my right to do so. I don&#039;t take it for granted, so I exercise the opportunity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Becky &#8211; My hubs and I volunteered for Periello this summer and were very disappointed (though not surprised) to see him lose his seat to Hurt. I hope he runs for Webb&#8217;s Senate seat. I&#8217;d rather see him than Kaine run. And the state? I can&#8217;t even talk about that right now because I&#8217;m so pissed about it all.</p>
<p>I vote in any and every election because, I too, believe it is necessary to do so out of respect for the women who protested, and advocated, and went to jail to procure my right to do so. I don&#8217;t take it for granted, so I exercise the opportunity.</p>
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		<title>By: Verity Khat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Verity Khat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 22:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t vote in college because I was studying in Florida and a resident of Georgia, so I decided that I just didn&#039;t want to deal with it all. That was really stupid of me (but I did NOT want to be fined for not showing up for jury duty that I didn&#039;t know about).

Now, I vote religiously, even though the selection is frankly heartbreaking. (Seriously, do any of these candidates actually care about people?!) I do spend a lot of time on the internet trying to evaluate which candidate is the lesser of two evils. ;_;

You know, I&#039;m usually not a conspiracy theorist, but the older I get the more I&#039;m sure that the reason why voting isn&#039;t compulsory or strictly popular (and why it&#039;s still on a damned Tuesday) is simple--lower voting turnout in a parliamentary format is a hell of a lot easier for politicians to manipulate and control.  

Think about it: originally only white, landowning males over the age of 21 could vote. Why?  That was the demographic the Founding Fathers trusted to &quot;make an informed decision&quot;--in other words, they consolidated power in the hands of those just like themselves with the hopes that they would all vote more or less the same way.  Now, everyone can vote, but if a majority of the population is indifferent, at work, or hopelessly confused by rhetoric...well then, that&#039;s fewer people that will vote for the other guy. More time to concentrate on brainwashing specific segments of the population in those prime swing states! &gt;_&lt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t vote in college because I was studying in Florida and a resident of Georgia, so I decided that I just didn&#8217;t want to deal with it all. That was really stupid of me (but I did NOT want to be fined for not showing up for jury duty that I didn&#8217;t know about).</p>
<p>Now, I vote religiously, even though the selection is frankly heartbreaking. (Seriously, do any of these candidates actually care about people?!) I do spend a lot of time on the internet trying to evaluate which candidate is the lesser of two evils. ;_;</p>
<p>You know, I&#8217;m usually not a conspiracy theorist, but the older I get the more I&#8217;m sure that the reason why voting isn&#8217;t compulsory or strictly popular (and why it&#8217;s still on a damned Tuesday) is simple&#8211;lower voting turnout in a parliamentary format is a hell of a lot easier for politicians to manipulate and control.  </p>
<p>Think about it: originally only white, landowning males over the age of 21 could vote. Why?  That was the demographic the Founding Fathers trusted to &#8220;make an informed decision&#8221;&#8211;in other words, they consolidated power in the hands of those just like themselves with the hopes that they would all vote more or less the same way.  Now, everyone can vote, but if a majority of the population is indifferent, at work, or hopelessly confused by rhetoric&#8230;well then, that&#8217;s fewer people that will vote for the other guy. More time to concentrate on brainwashing specific segments of the population in those prime swing states! &gt;_&lt;</p>
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		<title>By: BearDownCBears</title>
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		<dc:creator>BearDownCBears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 22:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gah...&quot;legislation,&quot; &quot;filibuster&quot;.  Fuckin&#039; A, I guess this stone thrower lives in a big ol&#039; glass house!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gah&#8230;&#8221;legislation,&#8221; &#8220;filibuster&#8221;.  Fuckin&#8217; A, I guess this stone thrower lives in a big ol&#8217; glass house!</p>
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		<title>By: BearDownCBears</title>
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		<dc:creator>BearDownCBears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 22:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Everybody has the right not to get picked for dodgeball if they don&#039;t want to play.  I think that privilege should be guarded.

Judith&#039;s first paragraph is typical firebagger bullshit I read over and over about how both parties are &quot;the same,&quot; mainly based on the fact that legisltion doesn&#039;t move and Barack Obama didn&#039;t wave a wand and make everything okay.  Sure, insert something about the alleged meeting between him and the insurance industry that sealed the death warrant of the public option, or drone atacks, or free trade agreements.  But the main culprit behind the death of liberal legislation is the filibuster.

Yeah yeah, LBJ and FDR.  They had larger senate majorities and LBJ even had some cross-party support.  Now the parties have shaken out ideologically (the GOP, anyway), and the cloture rules that Robert Byrd instituted AFTER Medicare/Medicaid allow for the &quot;polite filiuster&quot; that allows people to break quorum without invoking cloture and requires huge waiting periods between cloture votes.

The system&#039;s fucked due to ridiculous extra-constitutional rules, and the &quot;populous&quot; isn&#039;t educated enough to demand it be changed.  Sen. Udall tried, but it was squished.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everybody has the right not to get picked for dodgeball if they don&#8217;t want to play.  I think that privilege should be guarded.</p>
<p>Judith&#8217;s first paragraph is typical firebagger bullshit I read over and over about how both parties are &#8220;the same,&#8221; mainly based on the fact that legisltion doesn&#8217;t move and Barack Obama didn&#8217;t wave a wand and make everything okay.  Sure, insert something about the alleged meeting between him and the insurance industry that sealed the death warrant of the public option, or drone atacks, or free trade agreements.  But the main culprit behind the death of liberal legislation is the filibuster.</p>
<p>Yeah yeah, LBJ and FDR.  They had larger senate majorities and LBJ even had some cross-party support.  Now the parties have shaken out ideologically (the GOP, anyway), and the cloture rules that Robert Byrd instituted AFTER Medicare/Medicaid allow for the &#8220;polite filiuster&#8221; that allows people to break quorum without invoking cloture and requires huge waiting periods between cloture votes.</p>
<p>The system&#8217;s fucked due to ridiculous extra-constitutional rules, and the &#8220;populous&#8221; isn&#8217;t educated enough to demand it be changed.  Sen. Udall tried, but it was squished.</p>
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		<title>By: Marie Anelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie Anelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 20:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@wondering

I&#039;m lucky enough to live in an NPD stronghold.  Long live Pat Martin&#039;s riding, lol.]]></description>
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<p>I&#8217;m lucky enough to live in an NPD stronghold.  Long live Pat Martin&#8217;s riding, lol.</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 20:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Tmae: Working on it! Fortunately there are no big races in New York in 2012, so I&#039;ll register in VA at my family&#039;s home address. I&#039;m hoping Tom Periello will run so I can vote for him---the state government has been a fucking horrorshow since 2008---but it&#039;ll be enough just to give Obama my vote in the national election.

@Avogadro: My mother lives in Seattle, and is able to vote by mail and it seems like the best system ever. I wish we did it in NY. I&#039;d be curious to know if voter turnout is higher in states where you can vote by mail. It&#039;s a hell of a lot easier than going to the polls, especially if you work long hours, are disabled, elderly or have to drive long distances to get to polling places.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tmae: Working on it! Fortunately there are no big races in New York in 2012, so I&#8217;ll register in VA at my family&#8217;s home address. I&#8217;m hoping Tom Periello will run so I can vote for him&#8212;the state government has been a fucking horrorshow since 2008&#8212;but it&#8217;ll be enough just to give Obama my vote in the national election.</p>
<p>@Avogadro: My mother lives in Seattle, and is able to vote by mail and it seems like the best system ever. I wish we did it in NY. I&#8217;d be curious to know if voter turnout is higher in states where you can vote by mail. It&#8217;s a hell of a lot easier than going to the polls, especially if you work long hours, are disabled, elderly or have to drive long distances to get to polling places.</p>
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