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		<title>By: Alfred the Artist</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2011/03/17/why-we-dont-need-the-ten-commandments/comment-page-1/#comment-88651</link>
		<dc:creator>Alfred the Artist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 04:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Awkward Avenger: I don&#039;t know where your friend got the idea that she wasn&#039;t a human being, because God said that to have wife is a good thing and that she is far more precious than rubies. This clearly states that women are of great value. So I doubt God thinks that she is not a human being and that women are just another property to men. Everything applies to women as much as men.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Awkward Avenger: I don&#8217;t know where your friend got the idea that she wasn&#8217;t a human being, because God said that to have wife is a good thing and that she is far more precious than rubies. This clearly states that women are of great value. So I doubt God thinks that she is not a human being and that women are just another property to men. Everything applies to women as much as men.</p>
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		<title>By: Awkward Avenger</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2011/03/17/why-we-dont-need-the-ten-commandments/comment-page-1/#comment-65867</link>
		<dc:creator>Awkward Avenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 19:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, it&#039;s somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but it&#039;s an interesting point to ponder when looking at all of the other biblical language that is deliberately gendered.  (For example, the stuff about husbands loving their wives and wives submitting to their husbands, the protocols for marriage, etc.  In many biblical passages, it would be difficult to make the argument that references to the masculine are meant to include all humankind.)  It&#039;s a fairly useful tool to whip out when dealing with biblical literalists.

Thanks for the links- very interesting reading!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it&#8217;s somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but it&#8217;s an interesting point to ponder when looking at all of the other biblical language that is deliberately gendered.  (For example, the stuff about husbands loving their wives and wives submitting to their husbands, the protocols for marriage, etc.  In many biblical passages, it would be difficult to make the argument that references to the masculine are meant to include all humankind.)  It&#8217;s a fairly useful tool to whip out when dealing with biblical literalists.</p>
<p>Thanks for the links- very interesting reading!</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 16:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@AwkwardAvenger: Well...there&#039;s a lot of debate about the gendered language of the Torah, and that&#039;s one interpretation (and really, it&#039;s just a dodge, because I doubt that she truly believes God intended that only men should refrain from murder, idolatry etc. Is she really making the argument that therefore women can do those things with impunity?). But it&#039;s a very narrow interpretation and generally not accepted by Jewish scholars, including Jewish feminist scholars.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.myjewishlearning.com/holidays/Jewish_Holidays/Shavuot/In_the_Community/Torah_Reading_and_Haftarah/The_Ten_Commandments/The_Ten_Commandments_A_Gender_Analysis.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s a very readable explanation of why&lt;/a&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@AwkwardAvenger: Well&#8230;there&#8217;s a lot of debate about the gendered language of the Torah, and that&#8217;s one interpretation (and really, it&#8217;s just a dodge, because I doubt that she truly believes God intended that only men should refrain from murder, idolatry etc. Is she really making the argument that therefore women can do those things with impunity?). But it&#8217;s a very narrow interpretation and generally not accepted by Jewish scholars, including Jewish feminist scholars.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.myjewishlearning.com/holidays/Jewish_Holidays/Shavuot/In_the_Community/Torah_Reading_and_Haftarah/The_Ten_Commandments/The_Ten_Commandments_A_Gender_Analysis.shtml" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s a very readable explanation of why</a></p>
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		<title>By: Awkward Avenger</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2011/03/17/why-we-dont-need-the-ten-commandments/comment-page-1/#comment-65841</link>
		<dc:creator>Awkward Avenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 13:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amber, clearly she just needs to nail a copy of the Ten Commandments to her headboard and she will cease her sinful behavior!

A friend of mine who used to be a Methodist minister and is now an atheist has an interesting take on the Ten Commandments based on the one about not coveting your neighbor&#039;s wife.  That language indicates that God was not addressing women when he delivered the Ten Commandments, since they were considered the property of men.  So whenever someone starts blathering about the Ten Commandments, she enjoys pointing out that God doesn&#039;t consider her an actual human being; therefore, The Big Rules don&#039;t apply to her.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amber, clearly she just needs to nail a copy of the Ten Commandments to her headboard and she will cease her sinful behavior!</p>
<p>A friend of mine who used to be a Methodist minister and is now an atheist has an interesting take on the Ten Commandments based on the one about not coveting your neighbor&#8217;s wife.  That language indicates that God was not addressing women when he delivered the Ten Commandments, since they were considered the property of men.  So whenever someone starts blathering about the Ten Commandments, she enjoys pointing out that God doesn&#8217;t consider her an actual human being; therefore, The Big Rules don&#8217;t apply to her.</p>
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		<title>By: Amber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 21:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So glad I found this blog! I recently got into a little tangle on Facebook with some friend of a friend who was all holier-than-thou, a fountain of cultlike Christianity, only to find out from the friend we had in common that this person is currently banging some married dude. So there you go...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So glad I found this blog! I recently got into a little tangle on Facebook with some friend of a friend who was all holier-than-thou, a fountain of cultlike Christianity, only to find out from the friend we had in common that this person is currently banging some married dude. So there you go&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: wondering</title>
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		<dc:creator>wondering</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2011 23:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BlindIrishPirate said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I’d have to say you’re wrong about Jesus being an alternate-diety, Sheila, since Christianity states that God, Jesus &amp; the Holy Spirit are one in three forms – Jesus literally being God and vice versa in the big, confusing triangle. But none &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sheila has a valid point. It took until the Council of Nicea in 325 CE to hammer out the details of the 3-in-1, and there have always been Christian sects that reject the idea of a Trinity. In medieval times, they were ruthlessly hunted down and (generally) executed as heretics but today there are still plenty of Christian flavours who don&#039;t believe in it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BlindIrishPirate said:</p>
<blockquote><p>I’d have to say you’re wrong about Jesus being an alternate-diety, Sheila, since Christianity states that God, Jesus &amp; the Holy Spirit are one in three forms – Jesus literally being God and vice versa in the big, confusing triangle. But none </p></blockquote>
<p>Sheila has a valid point. It took until the Council of Nicea in 325 CE to hammer out the details of the 3-in-1, and there have always been Christian sects that reject the idea of a Trinity. In medieval times, they were ruthlessly hunted down and (generally) executed as heretics but today there are still plenty of Christian flavours who don&#8217;t believe in it.</p>
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		<title>By: CaitieCat</title>
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		<dc:creator>CaitieCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2011 14:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;But Judaism has never claimed to be a one-true-way (most religions don’t, which is something that gets little press among critics of religion in general), and most of its laws are supposed to be set aside if following them would prove harmful.&lt;/i&gt;

Indeed, this latter is how this atheist went much of the way along the path to conversion to Judaism, back in the day when my partner&#039;s parents would have been a lot more OK with our relationship if I would do so.  I was very impressed, and pleasantly surprised, to discover this very logical attitude in Judaism (that any worship-law can be set aside to preserve health/life of humans), and it really made it a lot easier to consider conversion.

Mostly, though, I&#039;m just glad my parents were Protestant and Catholic in the 60s UK, and eschewed the whole thing in my own raising.  Sometimes I don&#039;t get references that people make - someone brought up Solomon the other day, and I had to look it up - but seeing the public performance of Christianity on this continent, I&#039;m as glad to be out of it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But Judaism has never claimed to be a one-true-way (most religions don’t, which is something that gets little press among critics of religion in general), and most of its laws are supposed to be set aside if following them would prove harmful.</i></p>
<p>Indeed, this latter is how this atheist went much of the way along the path to conversion to Judaism, back in the day when my partner&#8217;s parents would have been a lot more OK with our relationship if I would do so.  I was very impressed, and pleasantly surprised, to discover this very logical attitude in Judaism (that any worship-law can be set aside to preserve health/life of humans), and it really made it a lot easier to consider conversion.</p>
<p>Mostly, though, I&#8217;m just glad my parents were Protestant and Catholic in the 60s UK, and eschewed the whole thing in my own raising.  Sometimes I don&#8217;t get references that people make &#8211; someone brought up Solomon the other day, and I had to look it up &#8211; but seeing the public performance of Christianity on this continent, I&#8217;m as glad to be out of it.</p>
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		<title>By: SunlessNick</title>
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		<dc:creator>SunlessNick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2011 00:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[Addendum:  and I&#039;ve never seen Jews behave this way, only Christians]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Addendum:  and I've never seen Jews behave this way, only Christians]</p>
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		<title>By: SunlessNick</title>
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		<dc:creator>SunlessNick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2011 00:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree about atheist blinders, and that most Jews and Christians don&#039;t worship their scriptures.  When I talked about the Ten Commandments being treated as an idol, I meant only by the people like this:

&lt;em&gt;Especially people like Congressman Lynn Westmoreland, who, as you can see in the video above, wants the Ten Commandments posted in every courthouse in Georgia even though he doesn’t actually know what they are. (Believe me, if you questioned a roomful of fundamentalist Christians, an awful lot would be similarly ignorant about the particulars).&lt;/em&gt;

People who want them displayed without even knowing what they are aren&#039;t treating them like scripture, or anything to be read and understood, but as an object to fuel their own self-aggrandisement as its wielders.  That&#039;s where it makes me think of idolatry, not the scripture itself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree about atheist blinders, and that most Jews and Christians don&#8217;t worship their scriptures.  When I talked about the Ten Commandments being treated as an idol, I meant only by the people like this:</p>
<p><em>Especially people like Congressman Lynn Westmoreland, who, as you can see in the video above, wants the Ten Commandments posted in every courthouse in Georgia even though he doesn’t actually know what they are. (Believe me, if you questioned a roomful of fundamentalist Christians, an awful lot would be similarly ignorant about the particulars).</em></p>
<p>People who want them displayed without even knowing what they are aren&#8217;t treating them like scripture, or anything to be read and understood, but as an object to fuel their own self-aggrandisement as its wielders.  That&#8217;s where it makes me think of idolatry, not the scripture itself.</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2011 21:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@rodriguez: You&#039;re trying to strip an idea---and a religion or two----of thousands of years of its established historical context and doctrinal meaning in order to fit &lt;em&gt; your &lt;/em&gt; definition and &lt;em&gt; your &lt;/em&gt; belief system.

Sure, religion can act as blinders, but so can atheism. I&#039;m reminded of this constantly when I get into discussions like this. Atheists are often just as willing as the religious to  twist definitions and historical facts in order to suit their own set of beliefs and discredit others&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@rodriguez: You&#8217;re trying to strip an idea&#8212;and a religion or two&#8212;-of thousands of years of its established historical context and doctrinal meaning in order to fit <em> your </em> definition and <em> your </em> belief system.</p>
<p>Sure, religion can act as blinders, but so can atheism. I&#8217;m reminded of this constantly when I get into discussions like this. Atheists are often just as willing as the religious to  twist definitions and historical facts in order to suit their own set of beliefs and discredit others&#8217;.</p>
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