Second, look at who’s driving anti-choice movements and legislation in this country. It’s men. Some anti organizations may try the ploy of putting a woman in front, but there is no doubt at all that this is a male-led and male-driven movement. And even if it weren’t, so what? The anti-choice agenda is to deny women the ability to control our lives and our bodies. It doesn’t matter who’s doing it, it’s evil and wrong.

Never once in my life have I heard of a legitimate women’s health clinic that refused to do abortions out of “conscience”. If M is referring to crisis pregnancy “clinics,” calling them clinics is another lie. They are operated by religious fanatics who are more often than not completely untrained laypeople. There is no intent to provide real health care. Instead, the intent is to terrorize, intimidate, and guilt vulnerable women into gong through with an unwanted pregnancy.

M is trying, as antis always do, to change the subject. When it comes to abortion, or any other reproductive health care issue, the one and only subject is women. Period.

Finally, M, how dare you compare words to acts? I agree that words can be deadly. But Verity was clearly not being literal, whereas antis have literally commanded each other to murder abortion providers, and have literally done so. To my knowledge, there has never-ever-been an instance of an abortion rights supporter physically attacking an anti beyond pushes or shoves.

Anti-choice is anti-woman, anti-child, and anti-family. M’s post is nothing but an exercise in disingenuousness and propaganda.

Am I supposed to be particularly swayed by the existence of the heart organ? Because it’s supposed to make me believe it’s where the “baby” feels lurve or something?

I am so sick of this shit.

And the “personhood” of potential human life is NOT on the table when it comes at the DIRECT expense of ACTUAL women’s lives, especially my own. This is approaching the debate from the antichoice perspective alone and framing it using only a certain set of begging the question fallacious rhetoric.

And, FYI – the heart BEGINS to form in week 4. All four chambers and any blood aren’t present until sometime in weeks 5-6. In week 3, the connections are still being made between the fetus and Woman after the very recent implantation and true beginning of pregnancy. There is no heart to beat in week 3, only a layer of cells that may eventually differentiate into a heart and may then begin to beat.

The abortion issue *is* complicated, perhaps more complicated than you give it credit for.

I don’t care if an embryo is human, if it has a beating heart (!) or its own genetic code. It has no right to exist inside another person who doesn’t want it there. Bye bye.