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	<title>Comments on: On Tony Kushner, CUNY, and Bigotry</title>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 02:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[NEITHER THIS POST NOR THIS COMMENT THREAD IS ABOUT ISRAELI-PALESTINIAN POLITICS.  

Future comments along those lines will be deleted. I&#039;m serious, y&#039;all. We are not going to get into an antagonistic back-and-forth on Israelis vs. Palestinians. There are many, many other places on the internet where you can do that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NEITHER THIS POST NOR THIS COMMENT THREAD IS ABOUT ISRAELI-PALESTINIAN POLITICS.  </p>
<p>Future comments along those lines will be deleted. I&#8217;m serious, y&#8217;all. We are not going to get into an antagonistic back-and-forth on Israelis vs. Palestinians. There are many, many other places on the internet where you can do that.</p>
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		<title>By: Miki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 02:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Bella - the Palestinian initiated Boycott Divestment and Sanctions campaign DOES NOT target individual artists or academics, instead it is aimed at the Israeli state and its institutions.  

The Palestinan BDS National Committee issued guidelines for BDS in 2009 for both academic and cultural BDS.  Both clearly point out that individual Israeli artists and academics are not subject to boycott simply because they are Israeli.  

Instead the focus is on the Israeli state, its institutions, Israeli state funded initiatives and corporations that violate international law and profit from Israel&#039;s occupation and apartheid policies.

What Wiesenfeld and CUNY have done is very different.  

Wiesenfeld has targeted an individual artist because they did not like his political point of view.  BDS, however, does not target individual Israelis simply because they are Israeli, instead the campaign is aimed at Israeli institutions and Israeli state funded events because of Israel&#039;s well documented, extensive and repeated war crimes and human rights abuses of the Palestinian people.

BDS Guidelines:
Academic boycott:
http://www.bdsmovement.net/2009/pacbi-issues-guidelines-for-applying-academic-boycott-566

Cultural boycott:
http://www.bdsmovement.net/2009/pacbi-issues-guidelines-for-applying-academic-boycott-566]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bella &#8211; the Palestinian initiated Boycott Divestment and Sanctions campaign DOES NOT target individual artists or academics, instead it is aimed at the Israeli state and its institutions.  </p>
<p>The Palestinan BDS National Committee issued guidelines for BDS in 2009 for both academic and cultural BDS.  Both clearly point out that individual Israeli artists and academics are not subject to boycott simply because they are Israeli.  </p>
<p>Instead the focus is on the Israeli state, its institutions, Israeli state funded initiatives and corporations that violate international law and profit from Israel&#8217;s occupation and apartheid policies.</p>
<p>What Wiesenfeld and CUNY have done is very different.  </p>
<p>Wiesenfeld has targeted an individual artist because they did not like his political point of view.  BDS, however, does not target individual Israelis simply because they are Israeli, instead the campaign is aimed at Israeli institutions and Israeli state funded events because of Israel&#8217;s well documented, extensive and repeated war crimes and human rights abuses of the Palestinian people.</p>
<p>BDS Guidelines:<br />
Academic boycott:<br />
<a href="http://www.bdsmovement.net/2009/pacbi-issues-guidelines-for-applying-academic-boycott-566" rel="nofollow">http://www.bdsmovement.net/2009/pacbi-issues-guidelines-for-applying-academic-boycott-566</a></p>
<p>Cultural boycott:<br />
<a href="http://www.bdsmovement.net/2009/pacbi-issues-guidelines-for-applying-academic-boycott-566" rel="nofollow">http://www.bdsmovement.net/2009/pacbi-issues-guidelines-for-applying-academic-boycott-566</a></p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2011 22:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Bella: I am anti-bigotry, full-stop. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bella: I am anti-bigotry, full-stop. </p>
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		<title>By: Bella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2011 22:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I agree on the very specific point that Kushner should not be denied an honor because of his speechifying, I sincerely hope you feel just as disgusted when anti-Zionists push for boycotting Israeli artists when they tour the US.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree on the very specific point that Kushner should not be denied an honor because of his speechifying, I sincerely hope you feel just as disgusted when anti-Zionists push for boycotting Israeli artists when they tour the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Colleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2011 17:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am currently a CUNY student @ Lehman College, finishing up my undergrad with the hopes of going on to Law School.  I am a single mother of three great kids, one of which is a CUNY student as well.

It was brought to my attention early on in this semester that the BOARD of TRUSTEES was going to cut the general ed requirements to make the transfer from CUNY Community Colleges to Senior Colleges seamless, and if this happens the entire Philosophy Department at Lehman would be eliminated.

Considering the absolutely disgraceful events of the past week, and the COWARDICE displayed by 10 Board members who jumped on the BIGOT bandwagon with Wiesenfeld, it makes complete sense to me now that CUNY wants to churn out DRONES instead of intellectuals who can - egads! - think for themselves.  

The entire Board needs to be replaced.  And if Corey Provost was in agreement with Wiesendfeld, he definitely needs to be shown the door because he - of all people - should know better than to side with a BIGOT.

Bunch of damn jerks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am currently a CUNY student @ Lehman College, finishing up my undergrad with the hopes of going on to Law School.  I am a single mother of three great kids, one of which is a CUNY student as well.</p>
<p>It was brought to my attention early on in this semester that the BOARD of TRUSTEES was going to cut the general ed requirements to make the transfer from CUNY Community Colleges to Senior Colleges seamless, and if this happens the entire Philosophy Department at Lehman would be eliminated.</p>
<p>Considering the absolutely disgraceful events of the past week, and the COWARDICE displayed by 10 Board members who jumped on the BIGOT bandwagon with Wiesenfeld, it makes complete sense to me now that CUNY wants to churn out DRONES instead of intellectuals who can &#8211; egads! &#8211; think for themselves.  </p>
<p>The entire Board needs to be replaced.  And if Corey Provost was in agreement with Wiesendfeld, he definitely needs to be shown the door because he &#8211; of all people &#8211; should know better than to side with a BIGOT.</p>
<p>Bunch of damn jerks.</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2011 16:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@MM: At least one admitted she didn&#039;t know who Tony Kushner is. Which...fine, not everyone is into theater. But it would appear that there was no due diligence---the members who voted to table Kushner&#039;s degree didn&#039;t even bother to question or investigate whether Wiesenfeld&#039;s allegations were correct.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@MM: At least one admitted she didn&#8217;t know who Tony Kushner is. Which&#8230;fine, not everyone is into theater. But it would appear that there was no due diligence&#8212;the members who voted to table Kushner&#8217;s degree didn&#8217;t even bother to question or investigate whether Wiesenfeld&#8217;s allegations were correct.</p>
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		<title>By: mischiefmanager</title>
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		<dc:creator>mischiefmanager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2011 12:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And what the hell was with the members of the board who went along with Wiesenfeld?  Did they really think that he spoke for all Jews?  Or was this a quid pro quo?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what the hell was with the members of the board who went along with Wiesenfeld?  Did they really think that he spoke for all Jews?  Or was this a quid pro quo?</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2011 02:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My Brooklyn-born grandmother, a&quot;h, once said &quot;The state of Israel doesn&#039;t get to tell me how to be Jewish. I was a Jew before the state of Israel even existed.&quot; The Diaspora has been around about 2,000 years longer than Israel. Israel and its apologists don&#039;t get to tell us how to live, particularly when Israel needs the Diaspora way more than we need them. 

I can only imagine what Grandma would say about this Kushner situation. She had a sharp tongue, and she went to Hunter, a CUNY school---the first woman in her family to attend college---so I&#039;m guessing it wouldn&#039;t be pretty.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Brooklyn-born grandmother, a&#8221;h, once said &#8220;The state of Israel doesn&#8217;t get to tell me how to be Jewish. I was a Jew before the state of Israel even existed.&#8221; The Diaspora has been around about 2,000 years longer than Israel. Israel and its apologists don&#8217;t get to tell us how to live, particularly when Israel needs the Diaspora way more than we need them. </p>
<p>I can only imagine what Grandma would say about this Kushner situation. She had a sharp tongue, and she went to Hunter, a CUNY school&#8212;the first woman in her family to attend college&#8212;so I&#8217;m guessing it wouldn&#8217;t be pretty.</p>
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		<title>By: Av0gadro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Av0gadro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2011 23:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;We’re the Log Cabin Republicans of Judaism, feeling shame and guilt and acting pathetically grateful to be allowed to fund the very people who despise us.&lt;/i&gt;

This is so profoundly true that I&#039;m amazed I&#039;ve never heard it before. And my family jokes that we&#039;ll love our son if he&#039;s gay, and we&#039;ll even love him if he&#039;s a republican, but maybe not if he&#039;s both, because that&#039;s just wrong. So why should I let him grow up believing he needs the approval of the Orthodox Rabbis who don&#039;t even think we&#039;re real Jews?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We’re the Log Cabin Republicans of Judaism, feeling shame and guilt and acting pathetically grateful to be allowed to fund the very people who despise us.</i></p>
<p>This is so profoundly true that I&#8217;m amazed I&#8217;ve never heard it before. And my family jokes that we&#8217;ll love our son if he&#8217;s gay, and we&#8217;ll even love him if he&#8217;s a republican, but maybe not if he&#8217;s both, because that&#8217;s just wrong. So why should I let him grow up believing he needs the approval of the Orthodox Rabbis who don&#8217;t even think we&#8217;re real Jews?</p>
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		<title>By: mischiefmanager</title>
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		<dc:creator>mischiefmanager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2011 22:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You will be amused to read this reply from Wiesenfeld to an email I sent to the CUNY Board:

&lt;i&gt;You are sadly misinformed, but young enough to learn about opinion and fact.
 
The late Senator Moynihan said that we are entiled to our opinions, but not our own facts.
 
Mr. Kushner is a liar.&lt;/i&gt;

So he managed to insult me (someone about whom he knows nothing) and libel Kushner in the same email, as well as taking the stance of the injured party when in fact he used doctored quotations to make his case.  He is loathsome.  

I heartily agree with Becky.  I am damned tired of right wing fanatics in Judaism who tell the rest of us that we&#039;re not good enough, not authentic enough, not supportive enough of Israel.  And we non-Orthodox Jews aid and abet this nonsense every time we write a check to a right-wing organization.  Without us, these groups would have serious funding problems.  We&#039;re the Log Cabin Republicans of Judaism, feeling shame and guilt and acting pathetically grateful to be allowed to fund the very people who despise us.

If this incident causes non-Orthodox Jews to liberate ourselves from the tyranny of the right, it will have been worth it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You will be amused to read this reply from Wiesenfeld to an email I sent to the CUNY Board:</p>
<p><i>You are sadly misinformed, but young enough to learn about opinion and fact.</p>
<p>The late Senator Moynihan said that we are entiled to our opinions, but not our own facts.</p>
<p>Mr. Kushner is a liar.</i></p>
<p>So he managed to insult me (someone about whom he knows nothing) and libel Kushner in the same email, as well as taking the stance of the injured party when in fact he used doctored quotations to make his case.  He is loathsome.  </p>
<p>I heartily agree with Becky.  I am damned tired of right wing fanatics in Judaism who tell the rest of us that we&#8217;re not good enough, not authentic enough, not supportive enough of Israel.  And we non-Orthodox Jews aid and abet this nonsense every time we write a check to a right-wing organization.  Without us, these groups would have serious funding problems.  We&#8217;re the Log Cabin Republicans of Judaism, feeling shame and guilt and acting pathetically grateful to be allowed to fund the very people who despise us.</p>
<p>If this incident causes non-Orthodox Jews to liberate ourselves from the tyranny of the right, it will have been worth it.</p>
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