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	<title>Comments on: Harpy Seminar: Plastic Surgery At Any Age</title>
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		<title>By: Tall-in-Heels</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2011/08/11/harpy-seminar-plastic-surgery-at-any-age/comment-page-1/#comment-70791</link>
		<dc:creator>Tall-in-Heels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@shrimpeyes: My point isn&#039;t that we shouldn&#039;t let women tell their truth about what it feels like to become valueless in society&#039;s eyes.  My point is that it would be nice to have an equal emphasis on countervailing examples (also women telling their truth, by the way). You can do both.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@shrimpeyes: My point isn&#8217;t that we shouldn&#8217;t let women tell their truth about what it feels like to become valueless in society&#8217;s eyes.  My point is that it would be nice to have an equal emphasis on countervailing examples (also women telling their truth, by the way). You can do both.</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@shrimpeyes: Or in this case, undergo expensive surgery and smile. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@shrimpeyes: Or in this case, undergo expensive surgery and smile. </p>
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		<title>By: shrimpeyes</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2011/08/11/harpy-seminar-plastic-surgery-at-any-age/comment-page-1/#comment-70769</link>
		<dc:creator>shrimpeyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 09:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We wouldn&#039;t want to place too much emphasis on women telling their truth about what it&#039;s like to become valueless in society&#039;s eyes, it might bum somebody out. They should just put some lipstick on and smile, for Pete&#039;s sake.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We wouldn&#8217;t want to place too much emphasis on women telling their truth about what it&#8217;s like to become valueless in society&#8217;s eyes, it might bum somebody out. They should just put some lipstick on and smile, for Pete&#8217;s sake.</p>
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		<title>By: Tall-in-Heels</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2011/08/11/harpy-seminar-plastic-surgery-at-any-age/comment-page-1/#comment-70758</link>
		<dc:creator>Tall-in-Heels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 00:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I go around in circles about things like this.  On the one hand, I understand that that youth (or the appearance of) begets privilege, so it&#039;s hard to blame the women getting the surgery, particularly if their ability to find work or companionship is being affected. But it&#039;s also frustrating; how is anything supposed to change unless there&#039;s a critical mass standing up and refusing to conform to the unfair standards?  Every time someone gives in, it reinforces the status quo.  

I think part of the problem is that we spend way too much time talking about the problem.  Don&#039;t get me wrong, I think it&#039;s important to give voice to the pressures around aging, weight, and other aesthetic considerations that disproportionately affect women.  But when the discussion around an issue focuses almost exclusively on the awful things that old, fat, or not conventionally attractive women face, it can reinforce the fear of those things and the related social pressure to fight them at all costs.  For example, awhile ago I read about a woman who did a documentary on aging.  From what I can recall, most of the film focused on women talking about the negative societal ramifications of getting old.  A much shorter part of the film was spent talking to (one, maybe?) woman  who embraced aging and was living a good life.  Unsurprisingly, after immersing herself in the parade of horribles with very little to counterbalance it, the film maker herself began to strongly consider getting plastic surgery.  What if the film had spent a brief time introducing and acknowledging the problem, but the main focus had been on fabulous, dynamic, aging women who were doing great in life and love?  I believe the film maker would not have walked away from the experience with fear plaguing her and plastic surgery on her mind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I go around in circles about things like this.  On the one hand, I understand that that youth (or the appearance of) begets privilege, so it&#8217;s hard to blame the women getting the surgery, particularly if their ability to find work or companionship is being affected. But it&#8217;s also frustrating; how is anything supposed to change unless there&#8217;s a critical mass standing up and refusing to conform to the unfair standards?  Every time someone gives in, it reinforces the status quo.  </p>
<p>I think part of the problem is that we spend way too much time talking about the problem.  Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I think it&#8217;s important to give voice to the pressures around aging, weight, and other aesthetic considerations that disproportionately affect women.  But when the discussion around an issue focuses almost exclusively on the awful things that old, fat, or not conventionally attractive women face, it can reinforce the fear of those things and the related social pressure to fight them at all costs.  For example, awhile ago I read about a woman who did a documentary on aging.  From what I can recall, most of the film focused on women talking about the negative societal ramifications of getting old.  A much shorter part of the film was spent talking to (one, maybe?) woman  who embraced aging and was living a good life.  Unsurprisingly, after immersing herself in the parade of horribles with very little to counterbalance it, the film maker herself began to strongly consider getting plastic surgery.  What if the film had spent a brief time introducing and acknowledging the problem, but the main focus had been on fabulous, dynamic, aging women who were doing great in life and love?  I believe the film maker would not have walked away from the experience with fear plaguing her and plastic surgery on her mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Av0gadro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Av0gadro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 16:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with foureleven that this mostly disturbs me because I think that by the time you&#039;re an octogenarian, you should be secure enough to live in your own body. But then, certainly octogenarians deserve companionship, so if this is the world they live in . . .

I heard a radio ad for a botox place in town and a chirpy woman explained that, &quot;If you care about yourself enough to eat right and exercise . . . &quot; as if botox were one more thing a woman needed to do to take care of her body. I didn&#039;t hear the rest because I don&#039;t want my kids listening to that crap, so I turned the station to some Ke$ha.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with foureleven that this mostly disturbs me because I think that by the time you&#8217;re an octogenarian, you should be secure enough to live in your own body. But then, certainly octogenarians deserve companionship, so if this is the world they live in . . .</p>
<p>I heard a radio ad for a botox place in town and a chirpy woman explained that, &#8220;If you care about yourself enough to eat right and exercise . . . &#8221; as if botox were one more thing a woman needed to do to take care of her body. I didn&#8217;t hear the rest because I don&#8217;t want my kids listening to that crap, so I turned the station to some Ke$ha.</p>
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