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		<title>By: Camilla Peffer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Camilla Peffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I LOVE LOVE LOVE that these authors want the character&#039;s sexuality to be concrete from the first chapter. However, I do understand why sometimes it might be beneficial to make a character&#039;s sexuality more of an unraveling development. This is only because I personally enjoyed (and still do) reading about characters who are exploring their sexuality. Coming out is such an exciting and often times traumatic experiences, and I really think there&#039;s worth in telling that side of the story. Although, I&#039;m guessing that this wasn&#039;t the publisher&#039;s intent...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I LOVE LOVE LOVE that these authors want the character&#8217;s sexuality to be concrete from the first chapter. However, I do understand why sometimes it might be beneficial to make a character&#8217;s sexuality more of an unraveling development. This is only because I personally enjoyed (and still do) reading about characters who are exploring their sexuality. Coming out is such an exciting and often times traumatic experiences, and I really think there&#8217;s worth in telling that side of the story. Although, I&#8217;m guessing that this wasn&#8217;t the publisher&#8217;s intent&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: annajcook</title>
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		<dc:creator>annajcook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Shoshana Thanks for stopping by! I haven&#039;t read the Kluger, but I&#039;ll have to check it out :)

@Becky I do agree with you that it&#039;s a whole network of people up and down the supply/demand chain who are making book-by-book decisions to take on/publish/promote/stock and read certain books over others.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Shoshana Thanks for stopping by! I haven&#8217;t read the Kluger, but I&#8217;ll have to check it out <img src='http://www.harpyness.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@Becky I do agree with you that it&#8217;s a whole network of people up and down the supply/demand chain who are making book-by-book decisions to take on/publish/promote/stock and read certain books over others.</p>
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		<title>By: Shoshana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shoshana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 02:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d been handselling the bejesus out of Steve Kluger&#039;s My Most Excellent Year for months before it occurred to me that that could be seen as promoting an Agenda. It has a glorious coming-out story in it, but that&#039;s one of its many merry plotlines, and it&#039;s the composite that made me love it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d been handselling the bejesus out of Steve Kluger&#8217;s My Most Excellent Year for months before it occurred to me that that could be seen as promoting an Agenda. It has a glorious coming-out story in it, but that&#8217;s one of its many merry plotlines, and it&#8217;s the composite that made me love it.</p>
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		<title>By: mischiefmanager</title>
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		<dc:creator>mischiefmanager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 00:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Becky:  Fair point about booksellers. I don&#039;t recall booksellers being reluctant to carry YA books with gay characters when I worked there.  We had many more complaints about the het sexual content of the Gossip Girls series and their ilk. 

It disappoints but doesn&#039;t surprise me that libraries in some areas won&#039;t buy YA books with gay characters.  People in the red states are still trying to ban Harry Potter, for Pete&#039;s sake.  We have a really outstanding library system here, but I can imagine that things are different elsewhere.

I don&#039;t see the book business as any more culpable as the movie or tv or music businesses in terms of being gay-friendly.  That&#039;s just the business under discussion here.  Again, I agree that getting your book published is not a right (although I&#039;m sure some authors who feel otherwise).  I feel that books have a unique role in moving our cultural and moral standards forward, but I sure don&#039;t expect them to go broke doing it.  I just hope that people with moral courage will continue to be found at all levels of the book business.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Becky:  Fair point about booksellers. I don&#8217;t recall booksellers being reluctant to carry YA books with gay characters when I worked there.  We had many more complaints about the het sexual content of the Gossip Girls series and their ilk. </p>
<p>It disappoints but doesn&#8217;t surprise me that libraries in some areas won&#8217;t buy YA books with gay characters.  People in the red states are still trying to ban Harry Potter, for Pete&#8217;s sake.  We have a really outstanding library system here, but I can imagine that things are different elsewhere.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see the book business as any more culpable as the movie or tv or music businesses in terms of being gay-friendly.  That&#8217;s just the business under discussion here.  Again, I agree that getting your book published is not a right (although I&#8217;m sure some authors who feel otherwise).  I feel that books have a unique role in moving our cultural and moral standards forward, but I sure don&#8217;t expect them to go broke doing it.  I just hope that people with moral courage will continue to be found at all levels of the book business.</p>
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		<title>By: Shadow Boxer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shadow Boxer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 23:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In response to anna&#039;s original question, the book that struck me the hardest as a kid was &quot;The Cat Ate My Gymsuit&quot;. A fat girl as the protagonist, whose best friend was the pretty popular girl, got shaken up by an outside the box teacher in a conservative town and started the process of coming to terms with herself, her body, her parents, and the people around her. What I loved about it was that there was NOT a happy ending - but when they got knocked down they got back up. I don&#039;t remember the details, I don&#039;t even remember the protagonist&#039;s name, because it&#039;s been so long since I&#039;ve seen it anywhere, but it really struck a nerve.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to anna&#8217;s original question, the book that struck me the hardest as a kid was &#8220;The Cat Ate My Gymsuit&#8221;. A fat girl as the protagonist, whose best friend was the pretty popular girl, got shaken up by an outside the box teacher in a conservative town and started the process of coming to terms with herself, her body, her parents, and the people around her. What I loved about it was that there was NOT a happy ending &#8211; but when they got knocked down they got back up. I don&#8217;t remember the details, I don&#8217;t even remember the protagonist&#8217;s name, because it&#8217;s been so long since I&#8217;ve seen it anywhere, but it really struck a nerve.</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 23:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@anna: I think challenging bigotry is always good. But if you can&#039;t get a mainstream publisher to publish your book---for whatever reason---many other options exist. Also, to the point of the original post, it wasn&#039;t a publisher who said that the authors should change the character, it was a literary agent. S/he was basing his/her assessment on what s/he knew of the business, but the whole supply chain of literary agent-publisher-booksellers-readers is at issue here. It&#039;s not just bigoted publishers holding all the power and keeping authors out of stores. It&#039;s booksellers, libraries, and consumers who determine what will be on shelves. That&#039;s why I think your point about creating demand and being vocal about it is key.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@anna: I think challenging bigotry is always good. But if you can&#8217;t get a mainstream publisher to publish your book&#8212;for whatever reason&#8212;many other options exist. Also, to the point of the original post, it wasn&#8217;t a publisher who said that the authors should change the character, it was a literary agent. S/he was basing his/her assessment on what s/he knew of the business, but the whole supply chain of literary agent-publisher-booksellers-readers is at issue here. It&#8217;s not just bigoted publishers holding all the power and keeping authors out of stores. It&#8217;s booksellers, libraries, and consumers who determine what will be on shelves. That&#8217;s why I think your point about creating demand and being vocal about it is key.</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 22:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@MM: Publishing is not a non-profit or a public good that exists to give everyone their say. Publishers do sometimes publish books that they know are less likely to earn back the money invested in them, but you can&#039;t do that often and expect to stay in business, especially now. 

And while you&#039;re bashing publishers, spare some ire for booksellers. Publishers are not the only ones who determine which books reach an audience---they do not sell their product directly to consumers, after all. Historically, when the bookseller (or even---gasp!---libraries) says &quot;I don&#039;t think there&#039;s much of an audience for that&quot;, and places a tiny order, or no order at all...the book&#039;s going nowhere and it doesn&#039;t matter how principled a stand the publisher took.

 One of the good things about self-publishing an e-book is that the author doesn&#039;t have to rely on the brick-and-mortar booksellers to get their work out to the public. It opens up a lot of doors for people whose books otherwise wouldn&#039;t sell enough copies for a major house to publish them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@MM: Publishing is not a non-profit or a public good that exists to give everyone their say. Publishers do sometimes publish books that they know are less likely to earn back the money invested in them, but you can&#8217;t do that often and expect to stay in business, especially now. </p>
<p>And while you&#8217;re bashing publishers, spare some ire for booksellers. Publishers are not the only ones who determine which books reach an audience&#8212;they do not sell their product directly to consumers, after all. Historically, when the bookseller (or even&#8212;gasp!&#8212;libraries) says &#8220;I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s much of an audience for that&#8221;, and places a tiny order, or no order at all&#8230;the book&#8217;s going nowhere and it doesn&#8217;t matter how principled a stand the publisher took.</p>
<p> One of the good things about self-publishing an e-book is that the author doesn&#8217;t have to rely on the brick-and-mortar booksellers to get their work out to the public. It opens up a lot of doors for people whose books otherwise wouldn&#8217;t sell enough copies for a major house to publish them.</p>
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		<title>By: annajcook</title>
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		<dc:creator>annajcook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 22:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@mischiefmanager and @BeckySharper, I think I come down on mm&#039;s side with this one ... while self-publishing is an awesome option and can, often, lead to increased notice and eventual publication, it&#039;s still unacceptable that &quot;make your gay character straight&quot; is still seen as a viable way to make a book marketable. Yes, publishing is a business and it does come down to profits, but as mm points out that doesn&#039;t mean we should just shut up and let bigotry go un-challenged. It&#039;s not like self-publishing and being put out by Random House or whatever are equivalent ... just like the existence of the Seven Sisters made it okay for places like Harvard or Yale or Columbia to be male-only institutions. 

I absolutely think it&#039;s important to prove that books with queer characters are marketable by voting with our pocketbooks. But I don&#039;t think that means we shouldn&#039;t simultaneously call the power brokers on their bullshit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mischiefmanager and @BeckySharper, I think I come down on mm&#8217;s side with this one &#8230; while self-publishing is an awesome option and can, often, lead to increased notice and eventual publication, it&#8217;s still unacceptable that &#8220;make your gay character straight&#8221; is still seen as a viable way to make a book marketable. Yes, publishing is a business and it does come down to profits, but as mm points out that doesn&#8217;t mean we should just shut up and let bigotry go un-challenged. It&#8217;s not like self-publishing and being put out by Random House or whatever are equivalent &#8230; just like the existence of the Seven Sisters made it okay for places like Harvard or Yale or Columbia to be male-only institutions. </p>
<p>I absolutely think it&#8217;s important to prove that books with queer characters are marketable by voting with our pocketbooks. But I don&#8217;t think that means we shouldn&#8217;t simultaneously call the power brokers on their bullshit.</p>
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		<title>By: mischiefmanager</title>
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		<dc:creator>mischiefmanager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 22:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Anna: Point taken.

@Becky: I knew you&#039;d tear me a new one.  :-)  Belonging to a country club isn&#039;t a human right either, and I&#039;m not saying it should be actionable when a publisher turns down a book because of gay content.  But it surprises me that you&#039;re letting the majors off the hook so easily.  Since when is &quot;we&#039;re in business to make money&quot; an acceptable excuse to promote bigotry? Would it have been okay 50 years ago to turn down a book that had a Jewish or African-American lead character?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Anna: Point taken.</p>
<p>@Becky: I knew you&#8217;d tear me a new one.  <img src='http://www.harpyness.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   Belonging to a country club isn&#8217;t a human right either, and I&#8217;m not saying it should be actionable when a publisher turns down a book because of gay content.  But it surprises me that you&#8217;re letting the majors off the hook so easily.  Since when is &#8220;we&#8217;re in business to make money&#8221; an acceptable excuse to promote bigotry? Would it have been okay 50 years ago to turn down a book that had a Jewish or African-American lead character?</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt; but it also sounds to me like, “If you can’t get into the gentile country club, start your own.” &lt;/em&gt;

Oh, come on. Having your book represented by a &quot;major literary agency&quot; and published by one of the big 5 New York publishers is not a human right. Saying publishers are a &quot;controlling group&quot; gives them way too much power. Remember, the vast majority of books published in the US are done without literary agents or big publishing houses. There are MANY smaller, on-line, or niche publishers who publish things that big houses don&#039;t publish and mainstream retailers don&#039;t carry. It&#039;s discouraging for authors to hear that gay characters are less saleable, but it&#039;s not a human rights abuse perpetrated by The Man; no one is denying them a chance to publish their book because &lt;em&gt; they &lt;/em&gt; are gay.

The agent thought the book was less saleable because of the gay characters. S/he is almost certainly right. It&#039;s a tough world out there when library budgets are cut to the bone and retailers are stocking fewer books. And since a literary agent works on commission and does not earn money unless s/he sells the book, s/he may politely turn down something they think will not sell, or will offer suggestions about how to change it so it might sell. This happens all the time.

Which brings us back to Anna&#039;s point about creating demand and showing there&#039;s demand. Publishers and booksellers are in the business of making money, and are very responsive to demand.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em> but it also sounds to me like, “If you can’t get into the gentile country club, start your own.” </em></p>
<p>Oh, come on. Having your book represented by a &#8220;major literary agency&#8221; and published by one of the big 5 New York publishers is not a human right. Saying publishers are a &#8220;controlling group&#8221; gives them way too much power. Remember, the vast majority of books published in the US are done without literary agents or big publishing houses. There are MANY smaller, on-line, or niche publishers who publish things that big houses don&#8217;t publish and mainstream retailers don&#8217;t carry. It&#8217;s discouraging for authors to hear that gay characters are less saleable, but it&#8217;s not a human rights abuse perpetrated by The Man; no one is denying them a chance to publish their book because <em> they </em> are gay.</p>
<p>The agent thought the book was less saleable because of the gay characters. S/he is almost certainly right. It&#8217;s a tough world out there when library budgets are cut to the bone and retailers are stocking fewer books. And since a literary agent works on commission and does not earn money unless s/he sells the book, s/he may politely turn down something they think will not sell, or will offer suggestions about how to change it so it might sell. This happens all the time.</p>
<p>Which brings us back to Anna&#8217;s point about creating demand and showing there&#8217;s demand. Publishers and booksellers are in the business of making money, and are very responsive to demand.</p>
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