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	<title>Comments on: Conversations about the Patriarchy: Part 1</title>
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		<title>By: asada</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2011/12/28/conversations-about-the-patriarchy-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-80409</link>
		<dc:creator>asada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 21:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do not wear makeup, shave or &quot;doll up&quot;.

without details, this as a point of pride, if only because It is considered &quot;counter- cultural&quot;. 

I got into alot of grief over wearing dresses- the fact that I preferred not to AND the fact that I could not wear certian types.

But this was because I was not allowed to in my conservative home. Same thing with straighteing my hair. It was seen as disrespectful to alter &quot;god&#039;s creation&quot;.


As an adult, I do not wear make up becaues it IS a con to sell product in a line. I shun heels becasue they are BAD for your feet. Dresses are for &quot;Dress up&quot; only. Any my hair ( all over my body) stays natural because that&#039;s the way it was meant to be. 

I cant seem to find the explanation for why. I can only find elements, but never the full story.

Im sorry if this is long. Its only my view from here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not wear makeup, shave or &#8220;doll up&#8221;.</p>
<p>without details, this as a point of pride, if only because It is considered &#8220;counter- cultural&#8221;. </p>
<p>I got into alot of grief over wearing dresses- the fact that I preferred not to AND the fact that I could not wear certian types.</p>
<p>But this was because I was not allowed to in my conservative home. Same thing with straighteing my hair. It was seen as disrespectful to alter &#8220;god&#8217;s creation&#8221;.</p>
<p>As an adult, I do not wear make up becaues it IS a con to sell product in a line. I shun heels becasue they are BAD for your feet. Dresses are for &#8220;Dress up&#8221; only. Any my hair ( all over my body) stays natural because that&#8217;s the way it was meant to be. </p>
<p>I cant seem to find the explanation for why. I can only find elements, but never the full story.</p>
<p>Im sorry if this is long. Its only my view from here.</p>
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		<title>By: Girls Are Made From Pepsi &#187; Sunday Hustle 8/1/12</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2011/12/28/conversations-about-the-patriarchy-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-80346</link>
		<dc:creator>Girls Are Made From Pepsi &#187; Sunday Hustle 8/1/12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 04:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Sometimes it&#8217;s hard to practice what you preach. I, like Becky Sharper who authored that post, live within a set of rules which I think are utter fuckery, yet I don&#8217;t plan on changing my ways anytime soon. I wear makeup. I wear high heels. I like showing off my legs. Is this wrong? (Pursuit of Harpyness) [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Sometimes it&#8217;s hard to practice what you preach. I, like Becky Sharper who authored that post, live within a set of rules which I think are utter fuckery, yet I don&#8217;t plan on changing my ways anytime soon. I wear makeup. I wear high heels. I like showing off my legs. Is this wrong? (Pursuit of Harpyness) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2011/12/28/conversations-about-the-patriarchy-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-80093</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 17:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I don’t like to give names to things like this because then it’s like playing victim.&lt;/i&gt;

Um, no. Not naming something means the problem stays nebulous instead of being clearly defined.

That might allow you to have plausible deniability when people try to make you conform...or it might just be another way to pretend to yourself that you&#039;re exceptional, that you&#039;re just more &quot;rational&quot; than the crazy feminazi man-haters.  Either way, it&#039;s just, well, trying to lie about reality.

Name names.  Define.  Specify.  Clarify. It&#039;s a lot easier to scoop a turd into a jar than to catch a fart in one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I don’t like to give names to things like this because then it’s like playing victim.</i></p>
<p>Um, no. Not naming something means the problem stays nebulous instead of being clearly defined.</p>
<p>That might allow you to have plausible deniability when people try to make you conform&#8230;or it might just be another way to pretend to yourself that you&#8217;re exceptional, that you&#8217;re just more &#8220;rational&#8221; than the crazy feminazi man-haters.  Either way, it&#8217;s just, well, trying to lie about reality.</p>
<p>Name names.  Define.  Specify.  Clarify. It&#8217;s a lot easier to scoop a turd into a jar than to catch a fart in one.</p>
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		<title>By: Melody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 07:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So this quote was an eye opener: 

&quot;When I was a student at Cambridge I remember an anthropology professor holding up a picture of a bone with 28 incisions carved in it. “This is often considered to be man’s first attempt at a calendar” she explained. She paused as we dutifully wrote this down. ‘My question to you is this – what man needs to mark 28 days? I would suggest to you that this is woman’s first attempt at a calendar.’ It was a moment that changed my life. In that second I stopped to question almost everything I had been taught about the past. How often had I overlooked women’s contributions?&quot;

Sandi Toksvig

It&#039;s funny how the &quot;norm&quot; is automatically male, not not a neutral gender. I thought the following quote summed up so much about how I (and others) think about the world. 

It reminds me that in art, as well as in life, women are so often overlooked, pushed to the back (Ray Eames, Lee Miller, even in the Bible where often the women are just &quot;so -and-so&#039;s wife&quot;). I am so guilty of this. 

(Found the quote here) 
http://ill-iterate.com/post/11913711059/when-i-was-a-student-at-cambridge-i-remember-an]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So this quote was an eye opener: </p>
<p>&#8220;When I was a student at Cambridge I remember an anthropology professor holding up a picture of a bone with 28 incisions carved in it. “This is often considered to be man’s first attempt at a calendar” she explained. She paused as we dutifully wrote this down. ‘My question to you is this – what man needs to mark 28 days? I would suggest to you that this is woman’s first attempt at a calendar.’ It was a moment that changed my life. In that second I stopped to question almost everything I had been taught about the past. How often had I overlooked women’s contributions?&#8221;</p>
<p>Sandi Toksvig</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny how the &#8220;norm&#8221; is automatically male, not not a neutral gender. I thought the following quote summed up so much about how I (and others) think about the world. </p>
<p>It reminds me that in art, as well as in life, women are so often overlooked, pushed to the back (Ray Eames, Lee Miller, even in the Bible where often the women are just &#8220;so -and-so&#8217;s wife&#8221;). I am so guilty of this. </p>
<p>(Found the quote here)<br />
<a href="http://ill-iterate.com/post/11913711059/when-i-was-a-student-at-cambridge-i-remember-an" rel="nofollow">http://ill-iterate.com/post/11913711059/when-i-was-a-student-at-cambridge-i-remember-an</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 12:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can definitely see how women might feel a bit uncomfortable &#039;dolling up&#039; knowing makeup was invented for men, by men etc. What about purses.  When women and men are truly equal, will nobody carry a purse, or will we all carry purses do you think?  I would guess, half will of both genders, and half won&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can definitely see how women might feel a bit uncomfortable &#8216;dolling up&#8217; knowing makeup was invented for men, by men etc. What about purses.  When women and men are truly equal, will nobody carry a purse, or will we all carry purses do you think?  I would guess, half will of both genders, and half won&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2012 05:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Anthony:  If we lived in a matriarchial world, you could certainly write that diatribe blaming the culture of female domination for all your woes. Until then, blame the Patriarchy, since it&#039;s the culture of male domination which dictates to men (and women) that men are not manly or worthy unless they&#039;re powerful, rich, and muscular.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Anthony:  If we lived in a matriarchial world, you could certainly write that diatribe blaming the culture of female domination for all your woes. Until then, blame the Patriarchy, since it&#8217;s the culture of male domination which dictates to men (and women) that men are not manly or worthy unless they&#8217;re powerful, rich, and muscular.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2012 03:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a male who has decided that I&#039;m happy with myself and don&#039;t want a relationship. Before I get called a misogynist or whatever buzzword you like to use, it has nothing to do with women, it&#039;s more to do with being mobily independent; For the same reason I keep very few friends.

As such, I have stop caring about trying to attract the opposite sex, and have put on weight, grown a beard and wear comfortable raggy clothes. 

Funnily enough, women don&#039;t pay me attention any more. Yet when I worked out, wore designer clothes and fastidiously groomed myself they did.

So I fail to see what the patriarchy has to do with women being forced to keep themselves to a certain aesthetic standard when the same applies to me as a male. 

Perhaps I should be writing diatribes blaming the matriarchy for my woes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a male who has decided that I&#8217;m happy with myself and don&#8217;t want a relationship. Before I get called a misogynist or whatever buzzword you like to use, it has nothing to do with women, it&#8217;s more to do with being mobily independent; For the same reason I keep very few friends.</p>
<p>As such, I have stop caring about trying to attract the opposite sex, and have put on weight, grown a beard and wear comfortable raggy clothes. </p>
<p>Funnily enough, women don&#8217;t pay me attention any more. Yet when I worked out, wore designer clothes and fastidiously groomed myself they did.</p>
<p>So I fail to see what the patriarchy has to do with women being forced to keep themselves to a certain aesthetic standard when the same applies to me as a male. </p>
<p>Perhaps I should be writing diatribes blaming the matriarchy for my woes.</p>
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		<title>By: mischiefmanager</title>
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		<dc:creator>mischiefmanager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And we women have to do the same thing, NN.  We have to be conscious about shifting our focus to valuing what we want and need rather than automatically doing what we think others want and need.  It&#039;s not that doing so in individual instances is bad or wrong; I don&#039;t want to sound like I&#039;m channeling Ayn Rand.  But where we are vulnerable is the presumption that our preferences and needs are not as important as those of others around us. 

When a man dresses up, puts on cologne, gets a haircut, or whatever, and goes to a club, no one tells him that he&#039;s whoring himself out. The desire to meet someone for a short or long term relationship, or just to feel good and look good, are seen as perfectly respectable, even laudable, behaviors.  When it&#039;s the same for women, we will have reached equality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And we women have to do the same thing, NN.  We have to be conscious about shifting our focus to valuing what we want and need rather than automatically doing what we think others want and need.  It&#8217;s not that doing so in individual instances is bad or wrong; I don&#8217;t want to sound like I&#8217;m channeling Ayn Rand.  But where we are vulnerable is the presumption that our preferences and needs are not as important as those of others around us. </p>
<p>When a man dresses up, puts on cologne, gets a haircut, or whatever, and goes to a club, no one tells him that he&#8217;s whoring himself out. The desire to meet someone for a short or long term relationship, or just to feel good and look good, are seen as perfectly respectable, even laudable, behaviors.  When it&#8217;s the same for women, we will have reached equality.</p>
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		<title>By: NefariousNewt</title>
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		<dc:creator>NefariousNewt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 22:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@mischiefmanager: thank you for stating my case more eloquently than I did. The gist of my argument was supposed to be that you can&#039;t &quot;fight&quot; the patriarchy; it&#039;s too ingrained in men for them to understand that they are part of it. It means women will have to work at showing men that the choices they make don&#039;t necessarily involve a conscious decision to do it &quot;for the menfolk,&quot; that if a woman indulges in things men approve of, it is more coincidental than intentional.

It&#039;s not going to be easy. Some men -- and I include myself in this -- already have an idea of it, but we&#039;re too few in number to break the grip patriarchy has on men in general. It will take a concerted and continual effort to keep the focus on women being free to make the choices, not on the choices themselves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mischiefmanager: thank you for stating my case more eloquently than I did. The gist of my argument was supposed to be that you can&#8217;t &#8220;fight&#8221; the patriarchy; it&#8217;s too ingrained in men for them to understand that they are part of it. It means women will have to work at showing men that the choices they make don&#8217;t necessarily involve a conscious decision to do it &#8220;for the menfolk,&#8221; that if a woman indulges in things men approve of, it is more coincidental than intentional.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not going to be easy. Some men &#8212; and I include myself in this &#8212; already have an idea of it, but we&#8217;re too few in number to break the grip patriarchy has on men in general. It will take a concerted and continual effort to keep the focus on women being free to make the choices, not on the choices themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenna Carodiskey-Wiebe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenna Carodiskey-Wiebe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 21:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Newt, I agree! I *choose* to wear make up a few days a week; I *choose* to wear high heels from time to time. But. I never let a sexist, racist or homophobic remark pass. I have teenagers, and just this week our entire family (myself, hubby, and 3 kids) called my son&#039;s 15 year old friend on a remark that he claimed &quot;I didn&#039;t mean to be sexist&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newt, I agree! I *choose* to wear make up a few days a week; I *choose* to wear high heels from time to time. But. I never let a sexist, racist or homophobic remark pass. I have teenagers, and just this week our entire family (myself, hubby, and 3 kids) called my son&#8217;s 15 year old friend on a remark that he claimed &#8220;I didn&#8217;t mean to be sexist&#8221;.</p>
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