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		<title>By: Mackey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mackey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 02:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ArisEile, MrMackey also doesn&#039;t seem to have close guy friends with which to share the sorts of things that I share with my friends (of all gender presentations).
He is also can be very shy, so I&#039;m sure mixed with the gender socialisation and being reserved is a double hurdle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ArisEile, MrMackey also doesn&#8217;t seem to have close guy friends with which to share the sorts of things that I share with my friends (of all gender presentations).<br />
He is also can be very shy, so I&#8217;m sure mixed with the gender socialisation and being reserved is a double hurdle.</p>
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		<title>By: ArisEile</title>
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		<dc:creator>ArisEile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 06:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I stumbled into having mostly female friendships (all women&#039;s college, then MA in women&#039;s studies, now work at a company for female athletes), so this really resonated with me. My male partner is teh awesome, but I would be heartbroken without some of my really good friends or my sister (also one of my best friends). So yes, I wholeheartedly support the &quot;I NEED MY FRIENDS&quot; mentality.

I&#039;m often very sad for my partner, actually, because he doesn&#039;t have close friends (male or female) that he shares everything with and misses constantly. He doesn&#039;t mind so much, but acknowledges that both the absence of the desire and the absence of such friendships is the result of gender socialization. Guys just don&#039;t usually have the same type of friendships--and especially not with other guys. This is a loss for everyone, I think.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stumbled into having mostly female friendships (all women&#8217;s college, then MA in women&#8217;s studies, now work at a company for female athletes), so this really resonated with me. My male partner is teh awesome, but I would be heartbroken without some of my really good friends or my sister (also one of my best friends). So yes, I wholeheartedly support the &#8220;I NEED MY FRIENDS&#8221; mentality.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m often very sad for my partner, actually, because he doesn&#8217;t have close friends (male or female) that he shares everything with and misses constantly. He doesn&#8217;t mind so much, but acknowledges that both the absence of the desire and the absence of such friendships is the result of gender socialization. Guys just don&#8217;t usually have the same type of friendships&#8211;and especially not with other guys. This is a loss for everyone, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Mackey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mackey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 10:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;3 harpies..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&lt;3 harpies..</p>
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		<title>By: Shauna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shauna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 05:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My grandmother and grandfather have a best friend, E, that they&#039;ve known for over sixty years now.  They lived near each other in the same city for over half a century, seeing each other weekly for dinner or book clubs or long lazy conversations long after their children had all grown up and moved away.  They see E less now that they&#039;ve moved into an assisted living community an hour away, but I&#039;ve been told she&#039;s making plans to move into the same community.

I met my best friend the first week of college, about nine years ago.  She&#039;s only one of many women (and men) who have lightened and deepened my life, but she&#039;s my favorite, and we&#039;ve gotten through enough together - living far away, living together, fighting, marriage and babies - that I can&#039;t help thinking we might be friends for a half century ourselves.

It&#039;s friends who tuck me in a blanket on their couch when I&#039;ve had too much to drink and can&#039;t walk home, who invite me over to bake cookies when I&#039;m feeling depressed, who chat with me for hours about the minutiae of my obsessions, who read my stories, who teach me how to solder circuits and ride bikes, who laugh at my good jokes and make fun of my bad ones. 

If you asked me if I&#039;d rather live the rest of my life with no friends or no romantic partners, I&#039;d choose the latter in a heartbeat.  I think I&#039;d be lonely without a lover, especially in this culture, but for me?  A life without real true friendship is barely worth living.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My grandmother and grandfather have a best friend, E, that they&#8217;ve known for over sixty years now.  They lived near each other in the same city for over half a century, seeing each other weekly for dinner or book clubs or long lazy conversations long after their children had all grown up and moved away.  They see E less now that they&#8217;ve moved into an assisted living community an hour away, but I&#8217;ve been told she&#8217;s making plans to move into the same community.</p>
<p>I met my best friend the first week of college, about nine years ago.  She&#8217;s only one of many women (and men) who have lightened and deepened my life, but she&#8217;s my favorite, and we&#8217;ve gotten through enough together &#8211; living far away, living together, fighting, marriage and babies &#8211; that I can&#8217;t help thinking we might be friends for a half century ourselves.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s friends who tuck me in a blanket on their couch when I&#8217;ve had too much to drink and can&#8217;t walk home, who invite me over to bake cookies when I&#8217;m feeling depressed, who chat with me for hours about the minutiae of my obsessions, who read my stories, who teach me how to solder circuits and ride bikes, who laugh at my good jokes and make fun of my bad ones. </p>
<p>If you asked me if I&#8217;d rather live the rest of my life with no friends or no romantic partners, I&#8217;d choose the latter in a heartbeat.  I think I&#8217;d be lonely without a lover, especially in this culture, but for me?  A life without real true friendship is barely worth living.</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 23:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am hearting all of these comments so hard. I actually don&#039;t have any points to make that y&#039;all haven&#039;t already made. And Drahill, I think you&#039;re right on about male/female feminist friendships. I like to think that&#039;s happened in my own life. I really hope it has.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am hearting all of these comments so hard. I actually don&#8217;t have any points to make that y&#8217;all haven&#8217;t already made. And Drahill, I think you&#8217;re right on about male/female feminist friendships. I like to think that&#8217;s happened in my own life. I really hope it has.</p>
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		<title>By: Tall-in-Heels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tall-in-Heels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 22:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To me, if a woman&#039;s behavior is characterized by jealousy, envy, competition, and a need to undermine me, she&#039;s a jerk who just happens to be female; she is not my friend.   I may have initially mistaken her for one, but I have no problem cutting those women loose with the understanding that a true friend does not act that way.  The problem isn&#039;t that some women act badly (we are, after all, only human), it&#039;s the insistence on characterizing those women as &quot;friends&quot; that bothers me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, if a woman&#8217;s behavior is characterized by jealousy, envy, competition, and a need to undermine me, she&#8217;s a jerk who just happens to be female; she is not my friend.   I may have initially mistaken her for one, but I have no problem cutting those women loose with the understanding that a true friend does not act that way.  The problem isn&#8217;t that some women act badly (we are, after all, only human), it&#8217;s the insistence on characterizing those women as &#8220;friends&#8221; that bothers me.</p>
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		<title>By: Verity Khat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Verity Khat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 22:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever gotten as much love and joy out of a romantic relationship as I have on a daily basis with my friends. Different people fill different needs in our lives. And embracing that fact, in the face of society&#039;s simplistic insistence that one person should be your social and sexual everything, is a bit of feminist nose-thumbing. ^_^

@Drahill: Word.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever gotten as much love and joy out of a romantic relationship as I have on a daily basis with my friends. Different people fill different needs in our lives. And embracing that fact, in the face of society&#8217;s simplistic insistence that one person should be your social and sexual everything, is a bit of feminist nose-thumbing. ^_^</p>
<p>@Drahill: Word.</p>
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		<title>By: Drahill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drahill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 16:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Frankly, I am one of those women who have only male friends. It was not a conscious decision but more of just my interests aligned with far more men than women. So that&#039;s where I&#039;m coming from with this.

To me, male-female friendships can become feminist when the relationship becomes the jumping off point for the male side of it to really think about women&#039;s issues. I have my male friend who said to me one day, &quot;I don&#039;t like sexist jokes anymore.&quot; I asked him why, and he said &quot;well, it&#039;s funnt when you don&#039;t actually think of any particular woman you know as the butt of it. But I always think of you and think, &#039;well, it wouldn&#039;t be okay to treat Dale like that, and she&#039;s a woman, so then the joke becomes really unfunny. And I don&#039;t like it anymore.&#039;&quot; And that is awesome.

For me, that is a feminist friendship - when by virtue of the friendship, a man can see his female friend as a sort of reference point for why women&#039;s issues and concerns matter and why he should care.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly, I am one of those women who have only male friends. It was not a conscious decision but more of just my interests aligned with far more men than women. So that&#8217;s where I&#8217;m coming from with this.</p>
<p>To me, male-female friendships can become feminist when the relationship becomes the jumping off point for the male side of it to really think about women&#8217;s issues. I have my male friend who said to me one day, &#8220;I don&#8217;t like sexist jokes anymore.&#8221; I asked him why, and he said &#8220;well, it&#8217;s funnt when you don&#8217;t actually think of any particular woman you know as the butt of it. But I always think of you and think, &#8216;well, it wouldn&#8217;t be okay to treat Dale like that, and she&#8217;s a woman, so then the joke becomes really unfunny. And I don&#8217;t like it anymore.&#8217;&#8221; And that is awesome.</p>
<p>For me, that is a feminist friendship &#8211; when by virtue of the friendship, a man can see his female friend as a sort of reference point for why women&#8217;s issues and concerns matter and why he should care.</p>
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		<title>By: Plum-Pie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plum-Pie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 15:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do think friendship is a feminist issue, if only as a counter  to the ‘women are competitive bitches’ stereotype, as mentioned above. Friendships, at their best, can provide material and emotional support, career advancement, safe spaces for discussion, as well as the opportunity to laugh for hours without fear that someone is suddenly going to make a joke about Rohypnol.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do think friendship is a feminist issue, if only as a counter  to the ‘women are competitive bitches’ stereotype, as mentioned above. Friendships, at their best, can provide material and emotional support, career advancement, safe spaces for discussion, as well as the opportunity to laugh for hours without fear that someone is suddenly going to make a joke about Rohypnol.</p>
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		<title>By: Es</title>
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		<dc:creator>Es</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 15:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think it&#039;s realistic or healthy to expect any one person to be &#039;everything&#039; to another - it&#039;s a hell of a lot of expectation to live up to. I feel that unless you&#039;re fairly comfortable and feel more or less complete in your own skin, you are unlikely to be a good partner or a good friend. If you&#039;re looking to someone else to supply something that can really only be found within yourself, you&#039;re onto a losing proposition from the beginning.

I do agree with annajcook that it&#039;s often expected, but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s particularly realistic.

Unfortunately women&#039;s friendships can be undermining and jealous - I know a few people who will put others down at any opportunity to &#039;get ahead&#039; in the social circle, just like girls did when we were 12! However, given that we&#039;re now in our 30s and 40s, I find it a bit odd and definitely keep a mental note not to give these people ammunition by opening up to them about whatever unhappiness or vulnerability I might have, because I haven&#039;t got the energy for that kind of shit any more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s realistic or healthy to expect any one person to be &#8216;everything&#8217; to another &#8211; it&#8217;s a hell of a lot of expectation to live up to. I feel that unless you&#8217;re fairly comfortable and feel more or less complete in your own skin, you are unlikely to be a good partner or a good friend. If you&#8217;re looking to someone else to supply something that can really only be found within yourself, you&#8217;re onto a losing proposition from the beginning.</p>
<p>I do agree with annajcook that it&#8217;s often expected, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s particularly realistic.</p>
<p>Unfortunately women&#8217;s friendships can be undermining and jealous &#8211; I know a few people who will put others down at any opportunity to &#8216;get ahead&#8217; in the social circle, just like girls did when we were 12! However, given that we&#8217;re now in our 30s and 40s, I find it a bit odd and definitely keep a mental note not to give these people ammunition by opening up to them about whatever unhappiness or vulnerability I might have, because I haven&#8217;t got the energy for that kind of shit any more.</p>
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